Vols Making Huge Gains with Help of Strength & Conditioning Staff

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vol-un-tear said:
Good stuff. The Year before Roc we had nobody. Roc’s year was full of disarray. Basically more than a year with no strength and conditioning. This will pay off next season big time!
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That was without a doubt one of the most incompetent moves an SEC coach ever made. Butch wasted so much talent through bad management it makes me sick.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I can mention the Mizzou game too (or UF or WVU)....

It's a mixed bag. Unlike the last 2 years of Butch's tenure, there are some positives this year (reduced injuries, games against UK/Auburn); however, we are still get whipped far too often in the trenches to have mid season fluff pieces written about the S&C program
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S&C pre Fitz was just as bad if not worse than the actual football player development pre Pruitt. The starting point is extremely important. That has been under change for less than a calendar year to date. Its not a finished product but it is making gains. Expecting a massive change in less than a year is similar to expecting Pruitt to win 10 this year. Silly and ridiculous.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I can mention the Mizzou game too (or UF or WVU)....

It's a mixed bag. Unlike the last 2 years of Butch's tenure, there are some positives this year (reduced injuries, games against UK/Auburn); however, we are still get whipped far too often in the trenches to have mid season fluff pieces written about the S&C program
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Reading through your posts here, and it's quite obvious that you do not understand how weight training, conditioning, and nutrition work. I will try to enlighten you a tiny bit, but not sure it will help.

First, with the exception of Trey Smith the previous staff did not recruit SEC caliber lineman. The significance of this fault is that their frame ( hip and shoulder size is not as big as other teams' OLmen). Smaller frame=less potential for size and strength and more plateauing while trying to bulk.

Second, and most important imo, these players have not had a consistent S&C staff. So where the other teams, are in a program with a set regimen for 2-3 years our players have not. This means for each day that other teams are eating, lifting, conditioning, etc they are getting bigger, stronger, faster and our guys are falling more and more behind. It is preposterous and downright ignorant to expect to be caught up to other SEC teams in one year.

Another issue that this team has is new scheme, new assignments, new terminology etc. They are going through growing pains atm mainly due to muscle memory from the previous scheme, and I think that is what is causing the inconsistencies.
 
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Cartervol said:
Makes you wonder what exactly Butch's plans were for the future. Surely he knew that wasn't going to work. I still think he was just going through the motions last year.
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He did just enough to get fired WITHOUT cause so he could get his buyout. The man should never be responsible for young men again. He should never be a head coach again.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Do you think strength and conditioning gets fixed in one year?
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"Fixed" is a relative term, but 11 months in a college-level S&C program, with a former NFL S&C coordinator, with the facilities and nutrition staff should be enough for most human beings to see radical changes in their health and physique.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
Just think of how good those 2015 and 2016 clubs could have been with a quality conditioning. Damn, I'm depressed now
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The skill players we had hid all the deficiencies. Barnett was basically the defense.. Just had some really good talent that yeah he pissed it away. Could of been some really good years and should have been.
 
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BeardedVol said:
"Fixed" is a relative term, but 11 months in a college-level S&C program, with a former NFL S&C coordinator, with the facilities and nutrition staff should be enough for most human beings to see radical changes in their health and physique.
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Being bigger, faster, and stronger doesn't always translate to a better player. Those attributes matter but it comes down to how they learn and translate to the field. That's why Georgia under Richt underperformed every year. They were talented every year but it comes down to the fine details at the end of the day.
 
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dcm3w said:
Being bigger, faster, and stronger doesn't always translate to a better player. Those attributes matter but it comes down to how they learn and translate to the field. That's why Georgia under Richt underperformed every year. They were talented every year but it comes down to the fine details at the end of the day.
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Both of our lines have spent the entirety of the season getting man-handled by nearly every opponent, DBs are still getting dragged across the field for 3-8 yards after contact, the entire team overall still looks weak in their play.
If those record-breaking gains in the weight room aren't translating to on-the-field results, then they are of little significance at the moment.
 
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Cartervol said:
Makes you wonder what exactly Butch's plans were for the future. Surely he knew that wasn't going to work. I still think he was just going through the motions last year.
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When he finished 16' with Ls at SC and Vandy (with superior talent against 6 win teams) and the fans didn't praise a MCB berth and win over a mediocre Nebraska team his feelings got hurt and he was ready to cash out. He had a loser mentality from the start.
 
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dcm3w said:
Being bigger, faster, and stronger doesn't always translate to a better player. Those attributes matter but it comes down to how they learn and translate to the field. That's why Georgia under Richt underperformed every year. They were talented every year but it comes down to the fine details at the end of the day.
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Those are 2 separate problems. IIRC Pruitt made a comment earlier (paraphrasing) "It doesn't matter if you run a 4.4 if you re running the wrong way. You re just getting farther from where you need to be at a quicker pace".

To the point tho. While being more talented and or athletic doesn't always translate to a better player, if you put that talent with well coached and developed you go from a good player to a great player.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Do you think strength and conditioning gets fixed in one year?
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No....are all these players coming back next year...I already to give up this year....they should beat vandy....but will they? Go orange....win or lose.....how about recruitment of players from Tenn that really want to wear orange.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Those huge gains in S&C led to a whopping 7 points scored by the offense against Charlotte.....This is a fluff piece that we hear every year until we get to the point where we aren't getting whipped in the trenches by bad non Power 5 teams....
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Agreed that I have heard this same thing every year, especially in years we got a new S&C team, though usually in the off-season.

dduncan4163 said:
And that is the first major benchmark. The size and strength takes a few seasons but the conditioning is already becoming obvious
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Also very true. I do worry if not getting a break from the lifting will have any negative impact. The body needs a break, especially when you consider just how hard a season can be on the body. Short of steroids, there is no good way to speed up that recovery phase.
 
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BeecherVol said:
When he finished 16' with Ls at SC and Vandy (with superior talent against 6 win teams) and the fans didn't praise a MCB berth and win over a mediocre Nebraska team his feelings got hurt and he was ready to cash out. He had a loser mentality from the start.
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And yet there were many on this board pissed to high hell he didn't get a raise and extension.
 
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Looking at the whole article I was pleased to see another staff member, believe it was Rocker first quoted last spring, talk about turning out good men. Excellent point of emphasis for any coaching staff.

Also, noticed a comment about getting players to classes. Ties in to previous comments concerning players blasé attitude about off season work under former regime.

Remember a story from years ago where a Vol player talked about how much weight he lost from August to December. Must be catastrophic for already undersized players.

Two more comments....this late in the season it's hard to fill column inches with new stuff excluding injury updates and some opponent scouting. Which brings the last point about us getting whipped at the line of scrimmage; go back to Athlon and the like, or even some week of game articles and notice what was said about opposing lines. Charlotte no slouch and UMo big and strong for example. But, no excuse if players don't show major improvement from now to August.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Both of our lines have spent the entirety of the season getting man-handled by nearly every opponent, DBs are still getting dragged across the field for 3-8 yards after contact, the entire team overall still looks weak in their play.
If those record-breaking gains in the weight room aren't translating to on-the-field results, then they are of little significance at the moment.
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To be fair, both the starting dbs are freshmen and been in the weight room for less than a semester.

Now that I think of it, that is the case for a number of our 2 deep. Several linemen didn't get to do much this spring, so they've really only been going hard post rehab since may. DWA didn't come until August. Kirkland should probably still be rehabbing. Same with TKjr.

As others have said, the fact we've basically survived the season with only a couple of fireball related injuries is a major improvement. The real test will be how much of a step all these players make next season.
 
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MSME Vol said:
To be fair, both the starting dbs are freshmen and been in the weight room for less than a semester.

Now that I think of it, that is the case for a number of our 2 deep. Several linemen didn't get to do much this spring, so they've really only been going hard post rehab since may. DWA didn't come until August. Kirkland should probably still be rehabbing. Same with TKjr.

As others have said, the fact we've basically survived the season with only a couple of fireball related injuries is a major improvement. The real test will be how much of a step all these players make next season.
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Well to be fair too, they should be where I think they should be. I say they've had plenty of time to get into shape. Hell, I can stop drinking beer for a month and lose 5-6 pounds and that ain't even working out.
 
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Roustabout said:
No question that injuries are way down. The off season is where the strength and size gains come. You can’t be on a full fledged lifting program in the middle of the season.
The Oline still looks way too small.
I think this team struggles mentally more than physically. Too many busts and missed assignments.
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O line looks like they are on the Atkins Diet Plan...
 
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