Vols Hoops assistant Adam Howard resigns

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TulsaVol said:
Isn't that the route we are following in football?
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It is the route we have chosen in football as well. We went a long time without having to put our feet in the waters of coaching free agency. Fulmer was here so long and we never had to pay him an exorbitant salary. The "good ole boy" system was good to us for a long time financially speaking. Now that we are in the business of hiring from outside rather than promoting from within, we are behind the times when it comes to paying a competitive salary. Butch Jones, at $3 million annually, is tied for 9th highest in the SEC with Muschamp and Freeze. You have to think Freeze is getting a bump to stay at OM, and Florida isn't afraid to spend the $$$ on their new hire. Also, Dan Mullen is currently behind Butch at $2.65 million, and MSU will likely have to bump him up to the $3.5-4 million range to retain him. Butch is about to fall to 12th at best in the SEC unless we give him a significant raise that I'm not certain he's yet earned.

Bottom line, we paid $3 million and got Cincinnati's HC. What would $5 million have gotten us? Fortunately, it seems as if Butch is trending in the right direction, but he could have just as easily been Derek Dooley. Hiring unproven coaches may come cheaper by contemporary standards, but it also comes with some inherent risks of increased failure vs a proven winner who may cost you more upfront.
 
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The common denominators for all these hires, Football, BB, WBB, Serrano and the chaos is Cheek and the Athletic Department.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Man does that bring back bad memories[/QUOTE

Until we had Bruce Pearl, Don DeVoe was the last quality coach we had. Jerry Green had O'Neil's talent. DeVoe is a fine man that ran a clean program and one of the best in game coaches that there is. He has said his big mistake at UT was not having a national recruiting plan. I have good memories of DeVoe we beat Kentucky 3 times the first year he was here.
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Disclaimer 1: I am just passing along what I heard on the radio. The source is Reed Carringer of rockytopinsider.com. He was on the Dave Hooker show on 1180 in Knoxville.

Disclaimer 2: I have no insider information at all, I am just passing along what I heard.

Carringer said that it appeared to him that the AD was going to try and keep Tyndall. He said he had a couple of sources in the AD and thought that if the notice of allegations did not prove too damning when it was received (he said it would be in January) that he thought Tyndall would stay.

He went on to add that unless it is a multi-year show cause, that the AD is now considering self-imposing some penalties (including a suspension) in the hopes that the NCAA will not come after Tyndall. He stated that he seemed to think that the AD had some reason to believe that they could go forward with Tyndall.

He added that the loss of the assistant coaches was not too damaging, even though one was Tyndall's right hand man. He said that the guy who replaced him, Beau ?, jumped into practice today. He said that he was a college level coach and had done some instruction previously with this team that was allowable in his position as video coordinator.

Again, TIFIW, it might all be total BS. I tried to remember everything as I heard it in the car and was not able to take any copious notes.
 
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I hate self imposed penalties from schools. For one I can't remember it ever working to lessin a penalty from the aa. And maybe its just me but it has the appearance of guilt. And I believe in innocent til proven guilt. Jmo
 
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Any self imposed sanctions would have to be personally against the coach. UT has not done anything to get penalized for so it could not be program sanctions.
 
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wtorange said:
Any self imposed sanctions would have to be personally against the coach. UT has not done anything to get penalized for so it could not be program sanctions.
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I'm sure it would be suspending Donnie Knoxville. Still dumb tho. Imo
 
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I do agree that would be technically admitting to some responsibility in the situation, as far as CDT is concerned. It is akin to a plea bargain, to some degree, kind of like pleading to a lesser charge. I am not sure that it is dumb, if it keeps us from having to transition again this soon. Obviously, though it will hurt recruiting and that is where we are really lagging right now.
 
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Lefteye said:
I hate self imposed penalties from schools. For one I can't remember it ever working to lessin a penalty from the aa. And maybe its just me but it has the appearance of guilt. And I believe in innocent til proven guilt. Jmo
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Agreed.

Why admit wrong doing when the investigation is just getting cranked up? Especially when all this happened at another school???

Didn't exactly work out well in the Pearl fiasco either with the self imposed penalties.
 
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drvenner said:
Disclaimer 1: I am just passing along what I heard on the radio. The source is Reed Carringer of rockytopinsider.com. He was on the Dave Hooker show on 1180 in Knoxville.

Disclaimer 2: I have no insider information at all, I am just passing along what I heard.

Carringer said that it appeared to him that the AD was going to try and keep Tyndall. He said he had a couple of sources in the AD and thought that if the notice of allegations did not prove too damning when it was received (he said it would be in January) that he thought Tyndall would stay.

He went on to add that unless it is a multi-year show cause, that the AD is now considering self-imposing some penalties (including a suspension) in the hopes that the NCAA will not come after Tyndall. He stated that he seemed to think that the AD had some reason to believe that they could go forward with Tyndall.

He added that the loss of the assistant coaches was not too damaging, even though one was Tyndall's right hand man. He said that the guy who replaced him, Beau ?, jumped into practice today. He said that he was a college level coach and had done some instruction previously with this team that was allowable in his position as video coordinator.

Again, TIFIW, it might all be total BS. I tried to remember everything as I heard it in the car and was not able to take any copious notes.
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Thanks for the info...and I certainly appreciate the disclaimers. :) Excellent job on detail.

I can appreciate Hart being loyal to a coach when they are down. I also think Hart has no choice but to do so, as it is egg on his own face.

If the circumstances dictate the illumination of two long-time associates of Tyndall, I can't see how it will ever repair a trust-factor for Tyndall on the long-term.

So, we are looking at a short-term "bye time" (before cutting him loose) to save as many concession, tickets, and souvenir sales as we can. This makes it difficult to swallow from a fan perspective from either a long-term or a short-term perspective.
 
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One thing that I forgot to add is that there is speculation that there might be as many as seven current or former players at Southern Miss talking to the NCAA. Hooker said that he had heard that they were disgruntled Tyndall had left?

I am not sure why anyone would begrudge somebody to get a huge pay raise and get to coach in a major conference (arguable that the SEC is major), but that is what he said.
 
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My guess is that the self-imposed penalties will not be issued until after the school receives the notice of allegations in January. If you are receiving a notice of allegations from the NCAA, you can just about safely rest assured that they probably have the goods on you. Self-imposed penalties equate to a plea bargain in this case, but are not necessarily the sole, ultimate punishment. It's not an absolute admission of guilt, but essentially an admittance that the evidence is pretty damning and you're willing to take some heat in an effort to minimize the damage.

It is similar to pleading no contest in a court of law, which is a pretty fair parallel. Essentially admitting that there is sufficient evidence to go to trial, but not necessarily an admittance of guilt.
 
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drvenner said:
One thing that I forgot to add is that there is speculation that there might be as many as seven current or former players at Southern Miss talking to the NCAA. Hooker said that he had heard that they were disgruntled Tyndall had left?

I am not sure why anyone would begrudge somebody to get a huge pay raise and get to coach in a major conference (arguable that the SEC is major), but that is what he said.
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If there was any begrudging, it likely was because the players in question couldn't come to Tennessee with Tyndall, not because he took the Tennessee job.

I remember him making a remark that there were several of the kids who contacted him about coming to Tennessee. USM officials probably were mad at Tyndall for taking Carmichael and Baulkman, too.
 
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cncchris33 said:
My guess is that the self-imposed penalties will not be issued until after the school receives the notice of allegations in January. If you are receiving a notice of allegations from the NCAA, you can just about safely rest assured that they probably have the goods on you. Self-imposed penalties equate to a plea bargain in this case, but are not necessarily the sole, ultimate punishment. It's not an absolute admission of guilt, but essentially an admittance that the evidence is pretty damning and you're willing to take some heat in an effort to minimize the damage.

It is similar to pleading no contest in a court of law, which is a pretty fair parallel. Essentially admitting that there is sufficient evidence to go to trial, but not necessarily an admittance of guilt.
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Have you got us a Santa Clara game thread ready? I'm starting to forget how to discuss bball. lol
 
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germanicus said:
If there was any begrudging, it likely was because the players in question couldn't come to Tennessee with Tyndall, not because he took the Tennessee job.

I remember him making a remark that there were several of the kids who contacted him about coming to Tennessee. USM officials probably were mad at Tyndall for taking Carmichael and Baulkman, too.
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Obviously there are two prop 48 players currently on the team that were brought in by Tyndall. But...

Imagine that you were a prop 48 player brought in after year one of Tyndall. You sit out the year, Tyndall's second, and he leaves for Tennessee. He doesn't take you with him AND the new coach doesn't want you.

I think, don't hold me to it, that there are a couple of those.
 
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Why are we willing to take any sort of punishment for this guy? He hasn't really accomplished anything, and getting rid of him now can't really do any more harm than waiting this thing out and taking his lumps while recruits tell us "no thanks."

I hate bringing up Pearl, but at least he had done something to earn some loyalty from us. This guy hasn't done jack.

I don't get it.
 
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AmoebaVol said:
Why are we willing to take any sort of punishment for this guy? He hasn't really accomplished anything, and getting rid of him now can't really do any more harm than waiting this thing out and taking his lumps while recruits tell us "no thanks."

I hate bringing up Pearl, but at least he had done something to earn some loyalty from us. This guy hasn't done jack.

I don't get it.
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IMO, this is Hart's guy. It is saving face to a degree. He wants this hire to eventually be a home run and may be willing to take a chance to show competence in the hiring process. Confidence in him will be at an all-time low if we are searching again soon.
 
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cncchris33 said:
My guess is that the self-imposed penalties will not be issued until after the school receives the notice of allegations in January. If you are receiving a notice of allegations from the NCAA, you can just about safely rest assured that they probably have the goods on you. Self-imposed penalties equate to a plea bargain in this case, but are not necessarily the sole, ultimate punishment. It's not an absolute admission of guilt, but essentially an admittance that the evidence is pretty damning and you're willing to take some heat in an effort to minimize the damage.

It is similar to pleading no contest in a court of law, which is a pretty fair parallel. Essentially admitting that there is sufficient evidence to go to trial, but not necessarily an admittance of guilt.
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I would assume that UT and USM will be in close contact because the notice of allegations would be given to USM not UT. We don't have any standing to present anything on CDT's behalf since nothing happened here. USM's defense would be that the Coach that left is totally responsible and since he is gone they should not be hit hard. All of this is conjecture because right now its just a guessing game as to what is out there.
 
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wtorange said:
I would assume that UT and USM will be in close contact because the notice of allegations would be given to USM not UT. We don't have any standing to present anything on CDT's behalf since nothing happened here. USM's defense would be that the Coach that left is totally responsible and since he is gone they should not be hit hard. All of this is conjecture because right now its just a guessing game as to what is out there.
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I'm not sure if that's true, from the way it's been reported it sounded like Tyndall would be receiving the notice of allegations himself.
 
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