Vols Hoops assistant Adam Howard resigns

[cncchris33]

Hart is Cheek's and Haslem's puppet. He gets to go on record as making the hire, but he is offering what they tell him they are willing to pay. Since Cheek and company took over, the mindset has been cheap hire's and a willingness to let coaches learn on the job. This is why almost all our teams are struggling.

The "cheap and hope" mindset and approach predates Cheek and company.

 

[Stoked]

I know that but if the NCAA looked like they were suppose 2,wouldn't they find something

No because the only reason that they know anything is because someone told them. If someone didn't go tell then I don't think the NCAA would have known anything was going on.

 

[cncchris33]

I know that but if the NCAA looked like they were suppose 2,wouldn't they find something

They weren't looking at the time per se. They just cleared Tyndall's name of any current or past allegations and investigations. They weren't investigating him at the time, and if they had been, they were responsible to alert Tennessee officials.

 

[Dallasbowlin]

They weren't looking at the time per se. They just cleared Tyndall's name of any current or past allegations and investigations. They weren't investigating him at the time, and if they had been, they were responsible to alert Tennessee officials.

Oh ok gotcha

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I doubt you get too far ahead in the process unless you are hiring a guy who is currently unemployed or just dying to leave his current job. You aren't going to be given permission by any AD worth his salt to speak to a coach during the season, so at best, you are dealing with their agent to gauge if there is even any interest. It would be pretty shady of any coach to entertain offers during a season IMO.

There's NBA guys, NBADL guys, assistant coaches and college coaches currently out of the game who could all be interviewed freely. I'm aware that you couldn't have too much contact with an active head coach, but I think you could likely draw up a pretty decent 4-5 name pool from the above list of available coaches to interview that could at least get you started.

There's also no knowing the full extent of Hart's connections, he could target someone and talk with their agent and while he may still be a head coach and unable to interview, maybe Hart has interviewed him prior? Maybe an AD he knows has? Maybe it's someone he has worked with before? So if you decide he's the guy you put things into place and once March rolls around and the season is over you make your move. Cal and Martin's agent had been in contact since the SECT, his interview didn't come until the day he formally took the job iirc.

 

[Stoked]

There's NBA guys, NBADL guys, assistant coaches and college coaches currently out of the game who could all be interviewed freely. I'm aware that you couldn't have too much contact with an active head coach, but I think you could likely draw up a pretty decent 4-5 name pool from the above list of available coaches to interview that could at least get you started.

There's also no knowing the full extent of Hart's connections, he could target someone and talk with their agent and while he may still be a head coach and unable to interview, maybe Hart has interviewed him prior? Maybe an AD he knows has? Maybe it's someone he has worked with before? So if you decide he's the guy you put things into place and once March rolls around and the season is over you make your move. Cal and Martin's agent had been in contact since the SECT, his interview didn't come until the day he formally took the job iirc.

I just hope they get your approval first before they make the hire BTO, for the boards sake lol.

 

[volswillrise12]

I keep hearing that "Hart won't pony up money for a big name men's basketball coach"
I'd like to know 1) What big name is out there or whom was out there at the time Tyndall was hired? Shaka Smart? Gregg Marshall? You aren't dealing in reality. You aren't going to just uproot those types of coaches unless you make an outrageous offer....which won't happen because in the end it doesn't make fiscal sense. We were shopping from the bargain bin when we hired DT---nothing personal to the guy but that's where we are the in the college basketball landscape. We aren't one of the blue bloods but I still think it's a good job and a place where any potential coach can win. The fact that Hart is just righting the financial ship is great overall---but this Tyndall mess is going to hopefully get worked out fast. The longer it drags on the longer it's going to take to get it back on track. WITH or Without Tyndall---IMO it could be without.

 

[cncchris33]

There's NBA guys, NBADL guys, assistant coaches and college coaches currently out of the game who could all be interviewed freely. I'm aware that you couldn't have too much contact with an active head coach, but I think you could likely draw up a pretty decent 4-5 name pool from the above list of available coaches to interview that could at least get you started.

There's also no knowing the full extent of Hart's connections, he could target someone and talk with their agent and while he may still be a head coach and unable to interview, maybe Hart has interviewed him prior? Maybe an AD he knows has? Maybe it's someone he has worked with before? So if you decide he's the guy you put things into place and once March rolls around and the season is over you make your move. Cal and Martin's agent had been in contact since the SECT, his interview didn't come until the day he formally took the job iirc.

I agree on the NBA and NBDL coaches. I was referring strictly to current NCAA coaches and out of work coaches.

Your second paragraph is essentially what I have been saying. Making a move now gets your school's name to the forefront ahead of the others, but the entire process cannot likely be completed until season's end.

 

[volswillrise12]

I agree on the NBA and NBDL coaches. I was referring strictly to current NCAA coaches and out of work coaches.

Your second paragraph is essentially what I have been saying. Making a move now gets your school's name to the forefront ahead of the others, but the entire process cannot likely be completed until season's end.

I'm not sure if that's realistic not trying to rip on you but I'd say the odds of any NBA coach coming here or NBDL coach is slim---mid season or any other time especially in a transition year. The NBA to college transition is not one that's been all that successful. Depending on what happens here's what I'd do if the NCAA is quick with this---if they come back quick from this investigation and Tyndall is hit with sanctions you can fire him and put Pinkins in as interim head coach or just cut the cord at the end of the year. I'd say that most college basketball coaches have a easier time building a dream job in college hoops. Smart and Williams made their respective schools hot spots. Tyndall might have been that guy too but all this crap is going to indirectly hurt him in his current job. It's probably going to end up costing him his job.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I agree on the NBA and NBDL coaches. I was referring strictly to current NCAA coaches and out of work coaches.

Your second paragraph is essentially what I have been saying. Making a move now gets your school's name to the forefront ahead of the others, but the entire process cannot likely be completed until season's end.

Agree, but I would rather have 99% of the work done heading into that first week than just then really starting the process if that makes sense.

 

[midtnvol2]

The "cheap and hope" mindset and approach predates Cheek and company.

I have seen a lot of UT sports for many years, what you say is true, but to me I just get the feeling that this is how they want it, and being average at best is ok with them. What do you think CNCChris?

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

So I'm confused. Cliffs notes please. Are these 2 assistants fall guys . Or does this signal impending doom coming for CDT. Or do we still not have any clue what direction this is going?

 

[VolNExile]

OK, this was sort of touched on above, with the discussion about "NBA guys" and so forth, but if something truly disastrous happened and we wind up without a coach in, say, December, are there any assistants here who could do a decent job as an interim? Or are they all pretty much inexperienced and/or would go with CDT, either voluntarily or with a shove?

What do other schools do when they lose a coach early in the season? (health, car wreck, doing a Petrino, etc.)

 

[cncchris33]

I'm not sure if that's realistic not trying to rip on you but I'd say the odds of any NBA coach coming here or NBDL coach is slim---mid season or any other time especially in a transition year. The NBA to college transition is not one that's been all that successful. Depending on what happens here's what I'd do if the NCAA is quick with this---if they come back quick from this investigation and Tyndall is hit with sanctions you can fire him and put Pinkins in as interim head coach or just cut the cord at the end of the year. I'd say that most college basketball coaches have a easier time building a dream job in college hoops. Smart and Williams made their respective schools hot spots. Tyndall might have been that guy too but all this crap is going to indirectly hurt him in his current job. It's probably going to end up costing him his job.

The idea wasn't mine, so not quite sure why you quoted me, but no one is suggesting a sitting NBA or D-League HC is up and moving midseason to come to Tennessee. That is ridiculous. The idea was simply that those coaches and their assistants aren't restricted from speaking directly with Tennessee if Hart made a midseason move to fire Tyndall like current college HCs and assistants would be. I was only agreeing on their availability. I don't think it's out of the question that an NBA assistant would consider making the jump to head his own collegiate program in a Power 5 conference, even if it is unlikely.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

Lawrence Frank?

 

[Dallasbowlin]

So I'm confused. Cliffs notes please. Are these 2 assistants fall guys . Or does this signal impending doom coming for CDT. Or do we still not have any clue what direction this is going?

Depends on who you ask,jmo but the direction is trending almost at a balance,if I were a betting man I'd place money on Tyndall staying unharmed Except for the cloud that will hang over all recruits heads

 

[cncchris33]

I have seen a lot of UT sports for many years, what you say is true, but to me I just get the feeling that this is how they want it, and being average at best is ok with them. What do you think CNCChris?

That was definitely the case with basketball under Doug Dickey. Hamilton seemed to care about it more, but was not any more willing to spend the money until the coach (Pearl) could create a winning and profitable product. As an athletic department, we seem willing to pay to retain proven coaches, but unwilling to pay to acquire proven coaches. Almost like we want to see them prove it here at a discounted rate before shelling out money to retain them.

Hart seems to care about basketball, but football has to become the successful venture it was in the 90's and early 00's before he can even consider making basketball a priority. Until then, bargain budgets and hope and a prayer coaches will be the route we take.

 

[vols 30]

Depends on who you ask,jmo but the direction is trending almost at a balance,if I were a betting man I'd place money on Tyndall staying unharmed Except for the cloud that will hang over all recruits heads

I hope he stays too, but do you really think it's at a balance ?

 

[Dallasbowlin]

I hope he stays too, but do you really think it's at a balance ?

The assistants "quiting" could be a good or bad thing,maybe they're the reason the investigation started so they left in order to save Tyndall or it could certainly go the other way in that they're saving their a$$ before the NCAA gets to em jmo

 

[vol66]

OK, this was sort of touched on above, with the discussion about "NBA guys" and so forth, but if something truly disastrous happened and we wind up without a coach in, say, December, are there any assistants here who could do a decent job as an interim? Or are they all pretty much inexperienced and/or would go with CDT, either voluntarily or with a shove?

What do other schools do when they lose a coach early in the season? (health, car wreck, doing a Petrino, etc.)

Pinkins. He's been around, he knows Tennessee, he knows the SEC, he was a recruiting coordinator at Ole Miss on Kennedy's staff. He spent 7-8 years at MTSU before that.

 

[midtnvol2]

That was definitely the case with basketball under Doug Dickey. Hamilton seemed to care about it more, but was not any more willing to spend the money until the coach (Pearl) could create a winning and profitable product. As an athletic department, we seem willing to pay to retain proven coaches, but unwilling to pay to acquire proven coaches. Almost like we want to see them prove it here at a discounted rate before shelling out money to retain them.

Hart seems to care about basketball, but football has to become the successful venture it was in the 90's and early 00's before he can even consider making basketball a priority. Until then, bargain budgets and hope and a prayer coaches will be the route we take.

Sad but true. Somehow they don't get paying a proven commodity.

 

[cncchris33]

Sad but true. Somehow they don't get paying a proven commodity.

Full disclosure, I'd love for Hart to prove me wrong.

 

[oryankees]

IF we go cheap and hire an up and comer I hope they look at Will Wade.

This.

 

[Knuckleheaded]

No offense but Will Wade has done absolutely nothing to be considered for a job like Tennessee's-- nothing !!! Last week Chattanooga was trailing Wisconsin 50-21 at the half and the Mocs are only 1-3 this season and their only win was against Hiwassee.

One of the Hurley brothers, Chris Mack or Richard Pitino is a much better candidate than Will Wade at this point.

 

[TulsaVol]

That was definitely the case with basketball under Doug Dickey. Hamilton seemed to care about it more, but was not any more willing to spend the money until the coach (Pearl) could create a winning and profitable product. As an athletic department, we seem willing to pay to retain proven coaches, but unwilling to pay to acquire proven coaches. Almost like we want to see them prove it here at a discounted rate before shelling out money to retain them.

Hart seems to care about basketball, but football has to become the successful venture it was in the 90's and early 00's before he can even consider making basketball a priority. Until then, bargain budgets and hope and a prayer coaches will be the route we take.

Isn't that the route we are following in football?