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orangepeopleeater said:
It also brings a hint of questioning how many of the posters on Volnation are using more than one User names. I've seen it done on other forums where if people make comments that someone doesn't agree with, they get slammed by multiple posters. Come to find out it was mostly the same person.
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I can confidently say that you don't need to worry about that.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Exactly they ripped HIM PERSONALLY. Not the coach or the program, they went off on him for not being able to pass Algebra 1 or whatever lol.
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Kind of like calling him a thug?

See Autry and Jacobs thread before they signed.
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BruinVol said:
Kind of like calling him a thug?

See Autry and Jacobs thread before they signed.
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Stuff like that can matter, but 99% of what I read on here and that has people going off about it being negative or whatever to me is people trying to accept a harsh reality.

It is very difficult to accept going from National Champions to a second tier SEC team in a matter of a few years. That is where these posts come from, disgust for the state of UT football and really athletics in general.

I will say if there is a recruit that is personally being bashed before he signs for silly reasons then that can affect that one recruit but in the big scale of things I would think how attractive the freshmen class of girls are would rank ahead of message board postings as a whole. You can dig hard enough to make any two instances of anything correlate but doesnt mean it really matters.
 
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I could understand how negative posting could affect the views of some future recruits but to use it as reasoning for playing seems slightly illogical. Its like using the film reviews without forming your own opinion through experience. Go play first and see what happens. Atleast give it a shot. Forming a decision off of a fan forum is halfbaked. It would make more sense to not play because of the season not opinion. Use facts first, kids. Or at least play because you want to play for that school.
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think we also need stingent policing to make sure that only one user id is allowed per ip address. Very often I notice that a host of posters who all joined within a couple of months of one another and who have similar post counts and points of view on a topic will all pile into a thread at once creating a sort of echo chamber and I cannot help but wondering if it's really just a couple of folks posting under multiple user ids.
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where's GA and Vadar when you need 'em
 
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Its like all these people saying "10 wins next year" or this past season "We are going to beat Arkansas" when neither were or are better than a 1000-1 shot in my opinion. When a recruit sees the fan base set such unrealistic expectations, then going off when the impossible doesn't happen, wouldn't that hurt almost as much as guessing how many years Dooley will be here or a poll where winning 8 next year gets the most votes

Anyone that thinks that honestly we win 10 next year and knows me personally I will accept bets from anyone thinking we win 10 next year at 2-1 odds. See some will say that statement is negative and to me it is just living in the realm of reality. Its all perception. Saying "I think we go 7-5 at best next season and most probably 6-6" to me is accepting reality, not being negative.
 
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This hopefully is my last post in this thread and I am sure you guys will be happy about that.

Schools use message boards to recruit against competitors. The have AD staffers(usually interns) compile data to use to show visually to recruits.

I feel that tactic is minimal in its effectiveness. It has the most effect on local kids that are also hearing the negative vibes other places.

I also feel that everybody has every right to get on here and state their opinion even if its negative. I have serious doubts about the staff. I try to state them in such a way that doesn't add more ammo against this program I love. I don't always succeed at achieving that but that doesn't make me less of a fan.
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fade route said:
Really getting tired of threads and posts whining and moaning about how negative message board content on VN is driving away recruits. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Wisconsin kid de-committing based on getting his feelings hurt on their board. But that was a rare case and it simply is nowhere near the norm. In my opinion this lamenting by homers as another lame attempt to shut down criticism of Dooley and the program and I absolutely reject it. I and others will speak our minds whenever we feel like it about whatever we want related to UT athletics. By the way, UT wasn't the only team to not meet expectations of the fanbase this year.....and do you think their message board content is clean as the wind-driven snow? Give me a break - criticism and honest critique of the program is everywhere across the country on the D1 level on message boards. Do you honestly think that only teams who exceeded expectations this year are having good recruiting success? Malarky. Homers need to grow up and accept that not everyone is going to agree with them and their "real fan" analysis' all the time. So let's please stop with the sanctimonious attitude about message board content and the impact it has on the program, because it's just plain absurd
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Do you have a guilty conscience? Down deep you know you are wrong.

I believe that some negative nannies ARE real fans. I agree with you there, but you really can't believe that your negativity somehow helps recruiting.
 
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The amazing thing about expectations is that unless their realistic, you only set yourself up for sorrow. Out of our 2 deep starting roster this past season I can only count 5 to 6 players who would have seen playing time at 90% of all the SEC schools, not starters I said playing time. So we have a team that is talent deprived when compared to the rest of the conference but it is the coaches fault for not winning? Boo Hoo Hoo we had more talent than KY and we lost and its the coaches fault and now our winning streak is gone boo hoo hoo. The Patriots loss to the Giants in the super bowl when it was clear the Patriots had the better team, they were undefeated, going for history, guess what they lost, it happens.

Not a fan on this board that does not want to see this program get back to its winning traditions, I assure you there is not one person who wants it more than me. Been a fan longer than most on here have been alive, I can sit in my backyard and watch the fireworks go off when we score, my daughter attends UT of which I am very proud she chose there and I pay 4 grand a semester, I've been a fan since Dickey was the coach and in my lifetime I have never seen this program left in the shambles that it was left in 08.

The change we all want is not going to happen overnight, some of the problems from year 1 to year 2 can also be related to injuries and players hitting that wall, typically sophmores tend to hit a wall, unfortunately for us we played a lot of sophmores and next season we will playing a lot more as well. We did not have the luxury of senior leadership to help the younger guys along and encourage them to fight thru it.

I do not endorse DD because I remember the ass whippings his dad use to give us, not because I think he is not qualified. But I also do not bash the coaches because at some point common sense has to kick in and tell you the best coaching in the world cannot overcome lack of talent in the toughest conference in the country.

So does it irritate me to see so called fans whine about the same things over and over again? you damn right! Unlike some on here, I live minutes from campus, wear my orange with pride, walk around campus, give my all for the Vols, I just returned from Chicago last week where I wore UT clothing every chance I got. I may not be proud with how our season went but I am proud to see talent being recruited once again and know that talent breeds success.

Coaches come and coaches go,through good times and bad times if you don't bleed orange through thick and thin go become a fan of Bama or Gators or LSU because this constant bashing is out of hand. You want to express your feelings? do it on twitter and facebook.....Peace
 
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Ok, I think we all agree that Larry knows his stuff. And here is the link to yesterday where he did say that they are printing stuff off message boards. To be honest, that surprised the heck out of me. But with that said, I personally will refrain from posting any more negative material about recruits until they have signed their LOI somewhere.


http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...e-darrington-sentimore-ut-86.html#post6058646


Here is the link to the discussion that we had last Sunday on Damien Jacobs. I watched his tape and wasn't that impressed. If he was coming out of high school, I would have said that we should take him. As a JUCO, I feel that you should be able to start from Day 1. In his case, maybe he could / maybe he couldn't. I still feel the exact same way I did on Sunday. Damien is a good player. But we have a very full class. I think he was right on the fence. If we end up with McCullers, Mike Davis and Damien Williams as our final three, then we made a smart move in passing on Jacobs. The other extreme, if we end up with three 2*'s from Farragut, then we should have signed Jacobs. I think we all know that we will end up somewhere in the middle.

Bottom line, we did start to push away from Damien Jacons last Sunday. Perhaps the Florida office people copied that, and funneled it to him thru the coaches and that was the deciding factor. I still have a really hard time believing that, but since Larry posted it, I agree that we need to knock it off in the future.

I am glad that we have reached a point in recruiting that Florida is signing our borderline type recruits. That is a very good sign!

For those who want a link, here is the Sunday discussion. My fault...golfballs and I caused Damien Jacobs to go to Florida. lol

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...580-12-juco-dt-damien-jacobs-florida-109.html
 
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fade route said:
Really getting tired of threads and posts whining and moaning about how negative message board content on VN is driving away recruits. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Wisconsin kid de-committing based on getting his feelings hurt on their board. But that was a rare case and it simply is nowhere near the norm. In my opinion this lamenting by homers as another lame attempt to shut down criticism of Dooley and the program and I absolutely reject it. I and others will speak our minds whenever we feel like it about whatever we want related to UT athletics. By the way, UT wasn't the only team to not meet expectations of the fanbase this year.....and do you think their message board content is clean as the wind-driven snow? Give me a break - criticism and honest critique of the program is everywhere across the country on the D1 level on message boards. Do you honestly think that only teams who exceeded expectations this year are having good recruiting success? Malarky. Homers need to grow up and accept that not everyone is going to agree with them and their "real fan" analysis' all the time. So let's please stop with the sanctimonious attitude about message board content and the impact it has on the program, because it's just plain absurd
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yawn...um...what?....... :snoring: .....what?... :snoring: ...um...ok...:sleep:
 
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#163
I got an idea...we can join the Bama and Florida boards as pretend fans and then post nasty things about kids they are recruiting.

Wait, I have a funny feeling someone already thought of that one...
 
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What's the point of having a message board if people can't express their opinions, either positive or negative. I bleed orange, have football season tickets, travel on the road with them, so I have the right to criticize every once in a while. If you don't like it then go on to the next post or #HMD.
 
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Mascot, I went to Mascot school back in the ice age, was raised in Clearsprings, right between Mascot and Blaine TN
 
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fade route said:
Really getting tired of threads and posts whining and moaning about how negative message board content on VN is driving away recruits. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Wisconsin kid de-committing based on getting his feelings hurt on their board. But that was a rare case and it simply is nowhere near the norm. In my opinion this lamenting by homers as another lame attempt to shut down criticism of Dooley and the program and I absolutely reject it. I and others will speak our minds whenever we feel like it about whatever we want related to UT athletics. By the way, UT wasn't the only team to not meet expectations of the fanbase this year.....and do you think their message board content is clean as the wind-driven snow? Give me a break - criticism and honest critique of the program is everywhere across the country on the D1 level on message boards. Do you honestly think that only teams who exceeded expectations this year are having good recruiting success? Malarky. Homers need to grow up and accept that not everyone is going to agree with them and their "real fan" analysis' all the time. So let's please stop with the sanctimonious attitude about message board content and the impact it has on the program, because it's just plain absurd
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don't get too hung up on message boards per se..

the issue is fan unrest and the perception if a coaching staff has 1 year left or more. Fan unrest is measured by many methods with message boards just being one way.

media reports / articles about fan unrest, lack of ticket sales and criticisms of program are also ways to measure fan unrest.

call in radio or TV shows can also be used to mesasure fan unrest...

the # 1 item about particular schools that is most successful in getting recruits to sign is the realtionship they build with the coaches recruiting them. So if a general perception is that a staff could be gone after the next year, that is fair game to be pointed out by opposing coaches who are recruiting the same players.

Using those reasons in recruiting has been going on for decades, long before message boards were ever invented. It has always been successful just as negative commercials in politics is successful. when recruits hear it enough times from enough different coaches, it sinks in and influences the recruits.

Not a big deal. just part fo the landscape. If it doesn't matter to fans and they perfer to voice their opinions no matter potential impact, more power to them. Doesn't hold back reporters or talk show hosts either with criticisms

I think it is foolish to just dismiss the idea that fans wanting a coach replaced has no impact on recruiting. just recognize it could possible slow down a turnaround in a program and accept it. no reason to be defensive about it.

it was used after 2005. it is being used right now. until yesterday, I had not seen much of an impact but it was one factor yesterday, the perception of only one more year for the head coach being oen reason a couple guys flipped. be interesting to see how the rest of recruiting plays out.
 
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LWSVOL said:
don't get too hung up on message boards per se..

the issue is fan unrest and the perception if a coaching staff has 1 year left or more. Fan unrest is measured by many methods with message boards just being one way.

media reports / articles about fan unrest, lack of ticket sales and criticisms of program are also ways to measure fan unrest.

call in radio or TV shows can also be used to mesasure fan unrest...

the # 1 item about particular schools that is most successful in getting recruits to sign is the realtionship they build with the coaches recruiting them. So if a general perception is that a staff could be gone after the next year, that is fair game to be pointed out by opposing coaches who are recruiting the same players.

Using those reasons in recruiting has been going on for decades, long before message boards were ever invented. It has always been successful just as negative commercials in politics is successful. when recruits hear it enough times from enough different coaches, it sinks in and influences the recruits.

Not a big deal. just part fo the landscape. If it doesn't matter to fans and they perfer to voice their opinions no matter potential impact, more power to them. Doesn't hold back reporters or talk show hosts either with criticisms

I think it is foolish to just dismiss the idea that fans wanting a coach replaced has no impact on recruiting. just recognize it could possible slow down a turnaround in a program and accept it. no reason to be defensive about it.

it was used after 2005. it is being used right now. until yesterday, I had not seen much of an impact but it was one factor yesterday, the perception of only one more year for the head coach being oen reason a couple guys flipped. be interesting to see how the rest of recruiting plays out.
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Well stated Larry!
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Do you have a guilty conscience? Down deep you know you are wrong.

I believe that some negative nannies ARE real fans. I agree with you there, but you really can't believe that your negativity somehow helps recruiting.[/QUOTE]




Didn't say it helps, but it doesn't hurt, either. Honest opinions on VN are neutral - they have little to no effect on recruiting
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orangeslice13 said:
That's the way I do it on the FL ..........

Never mind.
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Me too sister...I got over 3000 posts on a Florida board acting as a Florida fan...LOL! The Mole...

We better shut up before we out one another....spies like us.......passing in the darkness
 
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tabrams said:
After reading all these doom and gloom threads bashing Dooley and our Football program, I am convinced that most of these threads are being started by trolls.....

I can't imagine that Vol fans would be so dumb to start threads like this, that could be used to negatively recruit against us, and also to make recruits who visit blog sites very uneasy about our fanbase.

I would be shocked if trolls are not the ones starting most of these ridiculous threads..... I really wish the mods would either ban trolls from coming in here and starting negative threads, or just merge all the negative threads into 1 massive Nega-thread.......

thoughts?
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So who and what determines who is a troll that needs to be kicked off? Mods? Over someone critical of a 3rd down play call? Patently absurd. I can't help it if you're too sensitive to view critical comments about inept coaching.....maybe you should try another site
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Me too sister...I got over 3000 posts on a Florida board acting as a Florida fan...LOL! The Mole...

We better shut up before we out one another....spies like us.......passing in the darkness
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By the way, I joined that board just prior to the 2010 season. I also mailed a huge box of free Xanex to Urban and talked Fooley into hiring Muschamp. We are a .500 team since I became "a fan". I'm taking full credit for our successes....LOL

Next year, I am thinking about becoming a Bama fan
 
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