Vindication

#128
#128
TheDeeble said:
You mean UCLA's coaches right?

Cause our coaches didn't do squat.
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Funny how Rick said exactly what he wanted to do pregame and then went out and did it. Keep this thing close and then hopefully we'll have an opportunity to pull ahead at the very end.
 
#129
#129
They already knew how we'd play if it was tight. They knew we'd let them have a chance. Thats just pitiful.
 
#130
#130
kptvol said:
Funny how Rick said exactly what he wanted to do pregame and then went out and did it. Keep this thing close and then hopefully we'll have an opportunity to pull ahead at the very end.
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That's what I was afraid of. I was a firm believer that UCLA did not need to be in the game in the 4th quarter. I thought it it came down to that(a coaching battle) we'd be on the losing end.
 
#131
#131
kptvol said:
Yes. He somhow is responsible for two players making grades to become eligible. However, he is not to blame for Britton Colquitt being ineligible.
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Yet with 9 months to prepare for an inferior team we are beaten on offense, defense, and special teams.
 
#133
#133
Vercingetorix said:
You really think execution was the only problem?
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I'm not saying it was the only problem. I'm saying that if it wasn't a problem, then the Vols would have won tonight.

kptvol said:
1. If you kick field goals from farther than 50 yards, you shouldn't expect to make all of them.

2. Arian Foster has been in Knoxville five years. Someone should have taught him how to carry the ball.

3. Crompton and the OL have all been with the program a long time. They should have mastered the basics by now.

4. Our special teams have been awful for longer than I can remember. Our coaching staff should know better than to use a spread punt formation.

5. When your QB is struggling to complete 40% of his passes a smart coach might consider asking him to pass the ball less than 40 times, especially when your running backs are getting 7 yards everytime you hand them the ball.
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1. True, but asking the kicker to hit %50 of his kicks isn't much. Lincoln has a 50-yard leg. He was inaccurate tonight, and him missing his shortest field goal when the game was on the line is evidence of that.

2. You're exactly right. I can't believe the RB Coach never did that! I mean, that's as obvious as teaching a WR to catch! I can't believe a senior tailback was never taught to carry a ball securely. You should write a letter or something.

3. No doubt they've mastered the basics. The OL was awesome last season. I just wanna know how the coaches get blamed when a proven, experienced, battle-tested OL plays poorly.

4. I agree with this, and this is the only thing I blame the coaches for. You shouldn't put a punter who's never seen live game action in a situation like that. Nevertheless, Cunningham didn't exactly do anything to prevent the kick, which is especially bad when it was obvious that UCLA was jail-breaking.

5. Seven YPC for Foster and Hardesty? Foster had that, but take away his 41 yarder, and he's at 4.6 YPC. Hardesty had 5.5 YPC. And that was mostly in the 1st Half, as UCLA's front 7 owned the OL during the 2nd Half. I'm sorry, but when I see a player who's performing poorly, I don't excuse the player and place blame on the coach because he didn't take pressure off of him by abandoning the passing game. Actually, had we lost and we were run-heavy, then people would be complaining that we didn't pass enough.

TheDeeble said:
You mean UCLA's coaches right?

Cause our coaches didn't do squat.
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The UCLA players wanted it more, and outplayed Tennessee's.

Here's something interesting:

Tennessee fan said:
Tennessee was God-awful in so many ways tonight, and you can put most of it on coaching. I can't wait for Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and Alabama to have their way with Tennessee so Phil and this supremely overrated staff can finally get the boot. Until then I am officially renouncing my status as a Volunteers football fan.
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PAC 10 fan said:
Wow. Seriously? Fulmer may not be the best coach out there, but what's the alternative? The man has won several division titles, a few SEC titles, and a National Title for you guys. You expect them to win them all? Look at his overall record since taking over. Did he not improve your program? Does he not deserve a certain measure of respect? You lose a hard-fought road game to a solid OOC team in OT, and all of a sudden you're renouncing your status as a fan?

Many times, I've been angry with Mike Bellotti's decision making, but my blood would remain green if we lost our next 10 games. C'mon man, step off the ledge. It could be much, much worse. I mean, imagine having to play Pac-10 games week in and week out.
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It's funny. While Vols fans are thinking they got embarrassed, other fans look at it as how it is and actually think less of the fans who are claiming tragedy. C'mon guys - Don't drink the cyanide-laced Koolaid!
 
#134
#134
TitanHope said:
I'm not saying it was the only problem. I'm saying that if it wasn't a problem, then the Vols would have won tonight.



1. True, but asking the kicker to hit %50 of his kicks isn't much. Lincoln has a 50-yard leg. He was inaccurate tonight, and him missing his shortest field goal when the game was on the line is evidence of that.

2. You're exactly right. I can't believe the RB Coach never did that! I mean, that's as obvious as teaching a WR to catch! I can't believe a senior tailback was never taught to carry a ball securely. You should write a letter or something.

3. No doubt they've mastered the basics. The OL was awesome last season. I just wanna know how the coaches get blamed when a proven, experienced, battle-tested OL plays poorly.

4. I agree with this, and this is the only thing I blame the coaches for. You shouldn't put a punter who's never seen live game action in a situation like that. Nevertheless, Cunningham didn't exactly do anything to prevent the kick, which is especially bad when it was obvious that UCLA was jail-breaking.

5. Seven YPC for Foster and Hardesty? Foster had that, but take away his 41 yarder, and he's at 4.6 YPC. Hardesty had 5.5 YPC. And that was mostly in the 1st Half, as UCLA's front 7 owned the OL during the 2nd Half. I'm sorry, but when I see a player who's performing poorly, I don't excuse the player and place blame on the coach because he didn't take pressure off of him by abandoning the passing game. Actually, had we lost and we were run-heavy, then people would be complaining that we didn't pass enough.



The UCLA players wanted it more, and outplayed Tennessee's.

Here's something interesting:





It's funny. While Vols fans are thinking they got embarrassed, other fans look at it as how it is and actually think less of the fans who are claiming tragedy. C'mon guys - Don't drink the cyanide-laced Koolaid!
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What the hell do want Cunningham to do in that situation?

4.6 and 5.5 ypc is great. They ran the ball 25 times. Crompton threw the ball 42 times. His yards per attempt was over a ard less than the combined average of Foster/Hardesty.

I don't care what some random Pac-10 fan thinks. He probably doesn't realize that Fulmer has a losing record against every decent coach currently in the SEC and that he hasn't won a title in ten years. He's probably also reluctant to admit how bad UCLA sucks. I'm not. They suck extremely bad.
 
#135
#135
hatvol96 said:
I'm absolutely sick about it. However, I'm almost as ill about the fact people didn't see this coming.
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The problem is ,Hat, that after our next win, half of those who you were talking to will have completely forgotten this awful feeling that we all have tonight and will be writing on this very site of how Fulmer is underappreciated and his legacy at UT is one that will never be surpassed. Did I say to excuse my grammar. I suck at that when I'm pissed. I kept telling myself that there was no way that our coaches could lose this lopsided matchup. Boy was I wrong. What really sucks is how we let them drive down the field for their last td of regulation after our offense finally got a decent drive together. Also, holding them to a FG in overtime only to play for a fieldgoal ourselves and then miss it sucked pretty bad too. When we held them to a FG, I said to myself, finally we can get a score and get back to Knoxville so we can put this game behind us and enjoy a week one win like 10 of the other SEC teams did. Every freaking team in the SEC except for us and Miss St. looked agressive and hungry to play ball when they hit the field. Not us, Fulmer probably told our guys to save their energy and intensity for the SEC schedule. It would be considered the conservative approach to such a thing now wouldn't it.

Fat
Ugly
Loser
Might not make a bowl
Even got beat by UCLA
Relavant 10 years ago or Run it up the middle
 
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#136
#136
Hotrodpinto said:
The problem is ,Hat, that after our next win, half of those who you were talking to will have completely forgotten this awful feeling that we all have tonight and will be writing on this very site of how Fulmer is underappreciated and his legacy at UT is one that will never be surpassed. Did I say to excuse my grammar. I suck at that when I'm pissed. I kept telling myself that there was no way that our coaches could lose this lopsided matchup. Boy was I wrong. What really sucks is how we let them drive down the field for their last td of regulation after our offense finally got a decent drive together. Also, holding them to a FG in overtime only to play for a fieldgoal ourselves and then miss it sucked pretty bad too. When we held them to a FG, I said to myself, finally we can get a score and get back to Knoxville so we can put this game behind us and enjoy a week one win like 10 of the other SEC teams did. Every freaking team in the SEC except for us and Miss St. looked agressive and hungry to play ball when they hit the field. Not us, Fulmer probably told our guys to save their energy and intensity for the SEC schedule. It would be considered the conservative approach to such a thing now wouldn't it.

Fat
Ugly
Loser
Meatloaf
Even got beat by UCLA
Relevant 10 years ago
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Yeah a big win against uab will give the fulmerites false hope that we could somehow beat the gators. That will all come crashing down when that game is over by halftime.
 
#137
#137
Originally Posted by PAC 10 fan
Wow. Seriously? Fulmer may not be the best coach out there, but what's the alternative? The man has won several division titles, a few SEC titles, and a National Title for you guys. You expect them to win them all? Look at his overall record since taking over. Did he not improve your program? Does he not deserve a certain measure of respect? You lose a hard-fought road game to a solid OOC team in OT, and all of a sudden you're renouncing your status as a fan?

Many times, I've been angry with Mike Bellotti's decision making, but my blood would remain green if we lost our next 10 games. C'mon man, step off the ledge. It could be much, much worse. I mean, imagine having to play Pac-10 games week in and week out.





We obviously have much higher standards than this PAC-10 fan. Although that's obvioous, him being a PAC-10 fan and all. "Imagine having to play PAC-10 games week in and week out." I'll give him that. That would suck. That would mean you are probably in the PAC-10. Therefore the odds of your team really sucking would be 9 of 10. Ouch!
 
#138
#138
History gives me some hope that could beat UF. It seems like Fulmer gets the big win when his back is against the wall. Then again Florida owns him.
 
#140
#140
The Dude said:
History gives me some hope that could beat UF. It seems like Fulmer gets the big win when his back is against the wall. Then again Florida owns him.
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It won't happen. That team is in a different league talent wise. That at this point is a pipe dream.
 
#141
#141
Right now i see us having problems with UAB. Its sad just sad. If Vol fans think last years butt whiping by UF was bad hold on cause its gonna be alot worse this year.
God i hope not but i'm so flustered right now. Sad just sad.
 
#143
#143
Rasputin_Vol said:
Crompton didn't play well all night, the o-line got exposed, the OC was outcoached and abandoned the run, gave up a punt block and we let Norm Chow pick apart our defense and have that s**t eating grin and back slap his way to victory with a 3rd string QB.

The better team won tonight. Very disappointed at all phases of tonight's game.
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It took all of one week for this prediction of mine to come true.
 
#145
#145
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Scoreboard also tells me that our DC still has a problem with playing off with our CB's and our LB's can't cover a lick either. McKenzie got the pick because he interfered unfortunately.
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If our cornerbacks don't give the standard, Chavis 10-yard cushion to a wide receiver, they're likely to get benched.
 
#146
#146
ktpvol said:
What the hell do want Cunningham to do in that situation?
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I'm no punter, but if I were in his situation and saw 9+ players prepared to rush me and only 6 guys in front of me, then I can do a few things. A rugby-style punt takes less time then a conventional punt, so that would be better. I could call a timout, which is what a QB does when he sees the DEF run out a formation that is effective against his play, so why shouldn't a punter do the same? Cunningham was either oblivious to the rush or ignorant of it.

4.6 and 5.5 ypc is great. They ran the ball 25 times. Crompton threw the ball 42 times. His yards per attempt was over a ard less than the combined average of Foster/Hardesty.
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All of this is irrelevant when in the 4th quarter the DEF gives up two consecutive TD drives. 42 passes and 34 rushes is not abandoning the running game. Besides, that playcalling had us the lead with less than 2 minutes left in the game. That's when UCLA went down the field on our DEF for a TD. Then came more passing, which allowed us to tie the game and force OT.

I don't care what some random Pac-10 fan thinks. He probably doesn't realize that Fulmer has a losing record against every decent coach currently in the SEC and that he hasn't won a title in ten years. He's probably also reluctant to admit how bad UCLA sucks. I'm not. They suck extremely bad.
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Well, the random PAC 10 fan has more logic than you do. Ignorance must truly be bliss. Outright disregarding an Oregon fan who probably dislikes UCLA (so he's probably not relucatant to omit UCLA's suckitude) who's giving your team's fans encouragement. It's truly sad to see someone blatantly disregard positive and bring up historic, spiteful bitterness.

If you think Fulmer has to win every single game in order to be a good coach, then no coach is good by your definition. Richt has lost to Fulmer for the last two seasons, so Richt must be bad. Meyer lost to Richt this past season, so that means Meyer must be bad. Richt hasn't led the Dawgs to a championship in the last decade, so that hurts him even more. It's funny to see that your response to "Fulmer may not be the best coach out there, but what's the alternative?" is to then again trash Fulmer for only being moderately successful instead of super successful.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you just don't know as much as you think you do?
 
#150
#150
orangepeel said:
Hi Phil.
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Naw, one would think that the coaching staff would want the blame and not for the players to have it. On the contrary, I think it's %65 on the players and %35 on the coaches.

I've given the coaching staff blame before, and am in no way an advocate of them. I'm just tired of hearing the same bull **** coming from the "fans" who jump ship at the first sight of choppy waters. Last year it was the coaching staff's fault, and after overhauling the offensive staff, we lose one game and now Clawson is a bust, Chavis is outdated, and Fulmer can't coach despite winning the SECEast last year.

I just don't understand why people can't accept one bad game to start the season, especially considering all the changes over the offseason and correctable errors made in the game. Can anyone subjectively explain that to me without their disappointment over tonight's loss winding them up?
 
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