Very early observations on QB....

[FLVOL_79]

I don't agree... The people who have hyped Chryst will be disappointed but Guarantano will be solid. Up until this season, JG has been held back by bad coaching and a bad OL. That has changed.

I think hype is a strong word..more like hope. People hope we have something that resembles a QB this fall and Chryst is literally the only proven winner. I know I know he played and Stanford and not in the SEC but Tennessee hasn't been lighting it up too much lately either.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

What kind of guitar is that?

64 harmony bobkat. Barn find at 60 bucks at a pawn shop in savannah, tn. The delicious, coveted, DeArmond pickups alone can go for $150 to $250 apiece. Thats for originals.

The guitar, once cheap and part of the sears silvertone series, is very much a cult classic guitar makers are now doing remakes of both the guitar and the pickups. I think it was around $60 msrp in 1964 it was like i entered a twilight zone time warp when i walked into that pawn shop. It was the only guitar they had.

They are very hard to find, mine was in rough shape. So i lovingly stripped it down and refinished it with a cherry orange sunburst.

 

[MR_VOL]

I, personally, am a fan of playing the best player who provides the best opportunity to win. With that said, I was at Fan Day yesterday, I particularly watched the QBs. and came away with the following observations and opinions:

JQ: If you are a fan of a "gunslinger" then JG is your QB. When he threads the needle he looks good but when he tries to thread the needle in double/triple coverage he looks pathetic. In my opinion, he wants to rely too much on his strong arm than go through his progressions. Also, he still tends to throw behind the receiver. JQ kind of reminds me of Tyler Bray.

KC: If you are a fan of a "game manager" then KC is your QB. KC is quick to go through progressions and finding the open receiver. If each receiver is covered, he tucks the ball and runs. KC does not appear to be the type of QB who relies on arm strength to thread a needle but knowledge to find an open receiver. KC kind of reminds me of Peyton.

Personally, I think the biggest differences between JQ and KC is experience meaning KC will manage the game and produce positive yardage each play in a controlled manner versus trying to make a big play by throwing in tight coverage thus getting behind in down and distance which will cause having to throw in tight coverage again and again but when a pass is completed it should be for good yardage.

I am not a coach, but just a fan who wants to win, and I fully believe Coach Pruitt and Coach Helton will play the QB that gives the best opportunity to win.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

Summary of "The Athletic Article by Ubben" (This should be summarized enough, sorry if it isn't Mods)

Guarantano:

Passes longer than 10 yards: 3-of-8

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 15-of-17

Guarantano puts a lot of velocity on many of his short throws, but that’s more a personal style

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: 4-of-4

Chryst:

Passes longer than 10 yards: 3-of-9

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 13-of-17

Two of his four incompletions were drops.

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: 3-of-4

11-on-11 team drills: No contact on QBs, but offensive and defensive lines are live

Guarantano:

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 3-of-6

Passes longer than 10 yards: 1-of-3

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: None.

Chryst:

Passes shorter than 10 yards: 7-of-9

He was pressured heavily on three attempts and calmly flicked the ball to a receiver streaking underneath the linebackers each time.

"Chryst throws balls with a lot more touch than Guarantano and has a little bit longer release, but his arm strength is capable. He’s experienced enough to know when to use it and when not to use it. He throws a very catchable ball."

Passes behind the line of scrimmage: 1-of-1

"Chryst showed decisiveness, especially when under pressure. His body is well-connected with his mind’s internal clock. When the ball has to come out, it came out, usually to a good place."

Ultimately, both quarterbacks were decent, and take these numbers with a grain of salt.

Both quarterbacks showed accuracy and an ability to get the ball where it has to be on routine throws.

-Ubben

Thanks for educating them chizzle.

Btw, to butchna.....rutherford and siminton may not necessarily be biased. Maybe just stupid and incompetent.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I think hype is a strong word..more like hope. People hope we have something that resembles a QB this fall and Chryst is literally the only proven winner. I know I know he played and Stanford and not in the SEC but Tennessee hasn't been lighting it up too much lately either.

Stanford most likely would have won all of those games without Chryst, though.

 

[KingtUT]

Were in trouble, plain and simple.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

Were in trouble, plain and simple.

I dont think so. Im encouraged by guarantano's improvement shrouts ability and chryst is a known commodity.

 

[Tin Man]

What is Chryst's course of study?

There is a chance that he chose UT for both the opportunity at QB and the post-grad degree program...

 

[Pepe]

Hard to reconcile the limited, opinion soaked takes of simonton and rutherford-who have been glowing, if not erupting upon the glazed personage of guarantano and his arm talent- with the full, fact based, stat filled complete report of David ubben's.

Were these three guys in the same stadium?

My take is bias always exists even in(especially in) the media.

I think it is foolish to predict who the starting quarterback is going to be based on his limited practices that we've had. The videos that I have seen and shown glaring deficiencies on all of the candidates. Why not just wait for the competition to be completed and try to let the decision be made by the guy who has a 4 million dollar a year contract riding on whether he makes the right decision or not?

 

[Pepe]

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Thanks Fingers et al for the great videos!

Based on the new scrimmage videos posted later today, if I had to pick a guy that looked pretty good so far at QB, it would be Shrout. He did throw a pick, but so did the other guys. Here are just a few things I noticed:
- He has a controlled leadership presence about him.
- His play action fakes were much better than the rest. The other guys were just just going through the motions.
- He was pretty accurate with all his passes.
- He appears to be more dialed in to executing the offense than the others....

Details win or lose games. Shrout definitely won this category today. Not crowning anyone King just yet, just liked what I saw from him today.

One question I have about Chryst that I have not seen addressed here or anywhere else is that why was he not considered for transfer to his uncle's program at Wisconsin?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

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One question I have about Chryst that I have not seen addressed here or anywhere else is that why was he not considered for transfer to his uncle's program at Wisconsin?

Because Hornibrook is pretty much their established starter and he didn’t have a chance to come in and compete for that spot.


There weren’t a whole lot of pro style teams looking for a 1 year guy to come in and compete for a starting job. And there weren’t a lot of QBs looking to transfer somewhere where they couldn’t be promised any more than an opportunity to compete, either.

Whatever happens, you’ve gotta respect that Chryst was willing to come here for nothing more than an opportunity to compete. Not many in his situation would.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Stanford most likely would have won all of those games without Chryst, though.

So Tennessee would have lost all their games without JG? So JG is still worthless?

 

[KBVol]

Yeah, it’s a little concerning that JG is already the favorite to win the job. Is Chryst that far behind or is JG actually improved?

According to Austin Price who was just on 104.5 the Zone in Nashville....Guarantano is so far ahead of Chryst at the moment that Chryst’s chances of being named starter is “already on life support”.

Also, don’t personally believe it’s particularly concerning. Brice recently told Swain that many people within the Anderson training center, coaches, administrators, etc, believe JG has taken a big step forward in his development and is ready. Tifwiw.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So Tennessee would have lost all their games without JG? So JG is still worthless?

lol I’m not sure what exactly you’re trying to say here, but that’s not what I was saying.

 

[The Original Fade]

Stanford most likely would have won all of those games without Chryst, though.

Agree. I’m skeptical of a guy who couldn’t hold on to the starting role at a PAC12 school coming to the SEC and lighting it up

 

[sjt18]

Too many folks taking sides. UT just needs the best guy out there and the top two seem to be having their moments in the VERY LIMITED TIME the press gets to observe them. Deeper in practice there could be more or less separation between them. We just don't know.

So.... Chizzle's post is meaningful. But I still believe the thing we can watch for most is who goes with the ones first... and who goes with them the most. That will probably say more about what happens "behind closed doors" than anything else we have. It will be interesting once some of these reporters start working their "inside sources" to get pieces of what is happening during the closed practice portions.

 

[ksgovols]

Mic drop after 3 days without pads? JG had a long way to go after last season. I would hope he could improve in getting rid of the ball on time and body language, because he had miles to go after last season.

Let's see how it plays out after the competition. Somebody needs to grab it and run with in real time scrimmages.

 

[GAVol]

Yeah, it’s a little concerning that JG is already the favorite to win the job. Is Chryst that far behind or is JG actually improved?

Call me crazy, but I don't think JG has to do anything other than progress like a normal Sophomore QB does and we'll have a pretty good one. Everybody knows he's got it physically. Just needs the game to slow down for him and develop a better internal clock.... which is what you can say for 90% of the underclassman QBs that you see.

 

[GAVol]

Mic drop after 3 days without pads? JG had a long way to go after last season. I would hope he could improve in getting rid of the ball on time and body language, because he had miles to go after last season.

Let's see how it plays out after the competition. Somebody needs to grab it and run with in real time scrimmages.

Exactly... It's kind of ridiculous to pick sides. Just be glad we seem to have viable options.

 

[sjt18]

Agree. I’m skeptical of a guy who couldn’t hold on to the starting role at a PAC12 school coming to the SEC and lighting it up

I know this isn't popular... but the Pac12 isn't Pop Warner. They do actually have a few good players.... JG couldn't beat out a guy who now plays for a mid-major... and then only after he was playing hurt. Chryst lost his job to a guy making some pre-season Heisman lists. Longshot for sure... but if you are on a list in CFB with only about 25 other names on it... that's pretty good company. And to be perfectly honest, there are several back ups in top tier programs around the country who would be good candidates or even favorites to win UT's QB job.

 

[KBVol]

In fairness he said that's just JGs style but, I do believe you have to know when to take something off the ball, no need to throw a strike from 5yds away if you don't have to.

Can we please add in the empirical fact that JG completed 61% of his passes last year in actual live game action? The number jumps to 65% (71-109) in SEC play. You don’t complete 65% of your passes in the SEC if you don’t understand when and how to take something off your passes when needed. So Ubben can chart all he wants and give his opinions, but JG has the added benefit of a more successful completion % under dire circumstances as a freshman/first year player last year. Then throw in Austin Price’s, John Brice’s and Erik Ainge’s comments about who they think leads and will ultimately be Tennessee’s starter come the WVa game....

 

[VolZen]

Call me crazy, but I don't think JG has to do anything other than progress like a normal Sophomore QB does and we'll have a pretty good one.

This. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

JG is a rising sophomore playing in the premier conference in college football. He is right on schedule with his progression and compares favorably to the majority of past QB's at this point in time of his career.

 

[bpalmer28]

Can we please add in the empirical fact that JG completed 61% of his passes last year in actual live game action? The number jumps to 65% (71-109) in SEC play. You don’t complete 65% of your passes in the SEC if you don’t understand when and how to take something off your passes when needed. So Ubben can chart all he wants and give his opinions, but JG has the added benefit of a more successful completion % under dire circumstances as a freshman/first year player last year. Then throw in Austin Price’s, John Brice’s and Erik Ainge’s comments about who they think leads and will ultimately be Tennessee’s starter come the WVa game....

It seems like the only numbers people care about from last year are 4-8.

 

[butchna]

What you say makes it sound like a boxing judge panel. That's why they use three. Only they hardly ever seem to "get it right". Much like the three guys in your post.

I didn’t really put them out there. It was a responding post.

 

[butchna]

I, personally, am a fan of playing the best player who provides the best opportunity to win. With that said, I was at Fan Day yesterday, I particularly watched the QBs. and came away with the following observations and opinions:

JQ: If you are a fan of a "gunslinger" then JG is your QB. When he threads the needle he looks good but when he tries to thread the needle in double/triple coverage he looks pathetic. In my opinion, he wants to rely too much on his strong arm than go through his progressions. Also, he still tends to throw behind the receiver. JQ kind of reminds me of Tyler Bray.

KC: If you are a fan of a "game manager" then KC is your QB. KC is quick to go through progressions and finding the open receiver. If each receiver is covered, he tucks the ball and runs. KC does not appear to be the type of QB who relies on arm strength to thread a needle but knowledge to find an open receiver. KC kind of reminds me of Peyton.

Personally, I think the biggest differences between JQ and KC is experience meaning KC will manage the game and produce positive yardage each play in a controlled manner versus trying to make a big play by throwing in tight coverage thus getting behind in down and distance which will cause having to throw in tight coverage again and again but when a pass is completed it should be for good yardage.

I am not a coach, but just a fan who wants to win, and I fully believe Coach Pruitt and Coach Helton will play the QB that gives the best opportunity to win.

Hmmm? So the way you objectively break it down, it boils down to who do you like better...Tyler Bray or Peyton Manning?

Taking money on this being the last time Chryst is used as Peyton in an analogy or that Peyton’s scouting report is categorized as a “game manager”. Sure you’re “not a coach”?