Vanderbilt vs Tennessee Youth Comparison

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I keep hearing all this talk about how “young” the Tennessee football team is … Pelosi !!! (ie BS !!!).

According to the most recent "Rivals" depth charts (including special teams) listed for both Vanderbilt and Tennessee; Vanderbilt starts 6 seniors, 10 juniors, 10 sophomores and 2 freshmen. Tennessee starts 8 seniors, 7 juniors, 9 sophomores and 4 freshmen.

So Vanderbilt is starting 16 seniors/juniors and 12 sophomores/freshmen. Tennessee is starting 15 seniors/juniors and 13 sophomores/freshmen …virtually identical.

Gentlemen, while youth is a problem it’s not the biggest problem as many other teams have youthful players … the problem is … I hate to say is … coaching.

The Vanderbilt coaches are getting an A+ effort out of their team every week and could have beaten both Georgia and Arkansas with just an ounce of luck. Tennessee, on the other hand, seems to be backing up. Furthermore, I’ll bet the players “Star Ranking” comparisons between the teams will only exacerbate our coaching failures.

While I have appreciated Coach Dooley’s intellect, charm, wit and honesty; I’m now wavering on whether or not he has the “right stuff” to be a successful head coach in the SEC. I’m wrong about many things and I certainly hope I’m wrong about CDD but please … let’s stop all this excuse making and just say “the jury’s still out”.
 
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List the 15 sr/jr starters for TN please. Off the top of my head, we started:

3 on offense--LT, RB, WR
4 on defense--2 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB

If you are bringing stats and facts, please double check. It's also not possible to have 28 starters.
 
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teeball said:
I keep hearing all this talk about how “young” the Tennessee football team is … Pelosi !!! (ie BS !!!).

According to the most recent depth charts (including special teams) listed for both Vanderbilt and Tennessee; Vanderbilt starts 6 seniors, 10 juniors, 10 sophomores and 2 freshmen. Tennessee starts 8 seniors, 7 juniors, 9 sophomores and 4 freshmen.

So Vanderbilt is starting 16 seniors/juniors and 12 sophomores/freshmen. Tennessee is starting 15 seniors/juniors and 13 sophomores/freshmen …virtually identical.

Gentlemen, while youth is a problem it’s not the biggest problem as many other teams have youthful players … the problem is … I hate to say is … coaching.

The Vanderbilt coaches are getting an A+ effort out of their team every week and could have beaten both Georgia and Arkansas with just an ounce of luck. Tennessee, on the other hand, seems to be backing up. Furthermore, I’ll bet the players “Star Ranking” comparisons between the teams will only exacerbate our coaching failures.

While I have appreciated Coach Dooley’s intellect, charm, wit and honesty; I’m now wavering on whether or not he has the “right stuff” to be a successful head coach in the SEC. I’m wrong about many things and I certainly hope I’m wrong about CDD but please … let’s stop all this excuse making and just say “the jury’s still out”.
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You are spot friggin on.
 
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pl3 said:
List the 15 sr/jr starters for TN please. Off the top of my head, we started:

3 on offense--LT, RB, WR
4 on defense--2 DT, 1 LB, 1 DB

If you are bringing stats and facts, please double check. It's also not possible to have 28 starters.
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The DT didnt start this week and Mo Couch may have locked down that position and Neal started ahead of Z Rogers so it could be argued we have 5 compared to a Vandy team with 1 true sophomore starter on defense and 0 freshmen.
 
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teeball said:
I keep hearing all this talk about how “young” the Tennessee football team is … Pelosi !!! (ie BS !!!).

According to the most recent depth charts (including special teams) listed for both Vanderbilt and Tennessee; Vanderbilt starts 6 seniors, 10 juniors, 10 sophomores and 2 freshmen. Tennessee starts 8 seniors, 7 juniors, 9 sophomores and 4 freshmen.

So Vanderbilt is starting 16 seniors/juniors and 12 sophomores/freshmen. Tennessee is starting 15 seniors/juniors and 13 sophomores/freshmen …virtually identical.

Gentlemen, while youth is a problem it’s not the biggest problem as many other teams have youthful players … the problem is … I hate to say is … coaching.

The Vanderbilt coaches are getting an A+ effort out of their team every week and could have beaten both Georgia and Arkansas with just an ounce of luck. Tennessee, on the other hand, seems to be backing up. Furthermore, I’ll bet the players “Star Ranking” comparisons between the teams will only exacerbate our coaching failures.

While I have appreciated Coach Dooley’s intellect, charm, wit and honesty; I’m now wavering on whether or not he has the “right stuff” to be a successful head coach in the SEC. I’m wrong about many things and I certainly hope I’m wrong about CDD but please … let’s stop all this excuse making and just say “the jury’s still out”.
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That is completely wrong. Their defense is the only reason they are even a threat and only one player on the defense hasn't had more than 2 years. Not to mention that your post about UT have 16 junior/senior starters is obvious you are a vandy troll, because no sane UT fan can argue that.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
That is completely wrong. Their defense is the only reason they are even a threat and only one player on the defense hasn't had more than 2 years. Not to mention that your post about UT have 16 junior/senior starters is obvious you are a vandy troll, because no sane UT fan can argue that.
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Umm... actually they have been scoring a lot of points. I watched the Arky game and they should have won that game. Arky got lucky and recovered a fumble on the 2 yard line then ran it back 98 yards. That's how Arky won the game. They should have got beaten by 2 TD's.

Vandy has a leggit QB in Jordan Rogers, Aaron Rogers younger brother.

The game would have went into OT if Vandy didn't miss a 28 yard FG in the last seconds.

I don't think there is a coach in the SEC right now that wouldn't rather play UT than Vandy. Without Bray and Hunter in the line-up, these are the cold hard facts. Let's all just hope all of this practice for the youngsters pays off next year.

We are slightly better than UK and Ole Miss, but not Vandy this year. :(
 
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"Youth Research" - this counts the number of years of experience each starter of every SEC team has. For example, if a player is a redshirt sophomore, he has 3 years experience. As you can clearly see, Tennessee is a lot younger than Vandy - not even close.

Tennessee
Offense: 27 years
Defense: 25 years

Vanderbilt
Offense: 34 years
Defense: 41 years

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Joe Vols said:
Umm... actually they have been scoring a lot of points. I watched the Arky game and they should have won that game. Arky got lucky and recovered a fumble on the 2 yard line then ran it back 98 yards. That's how Arky won the game. They should have got beaten by 2 TD's.

The game would have went into OT if Vandy didn't miss a 25 yard FG in the last seconds.

I don't think there is a coach in the SEC right now that wouldn't rather play UT than Vandy. Without Bray and Hunter in the line-up, these are the cold facts. Let's all just hope all of this practice for the youngsters pays off next year.

We are slightly better than UK and Ole Miss, but not Vandy this year. :(
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Have you watched a Vandy game this year? Arkansas is the same defense that gave up 24 to Ole Miss. Their defense is terrible and they have played bad the past 3 weeks. Vandy's offense is just as bad as ours, if not worse.

Vanderbilt had 73 total yards against USCjr
 
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Wow, OP, where did you get your info??? When i watched the player introductions for Vandy, the were 90% upperclassmen (juniors & seniors) with a couple of sophomores mixed in... I didn't see them introduce any freshman as starters, course i could be wrong on that one....
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The OP was correct overall in that MANY teams are getting more out of equal talent than this staff is getting from our squad. Youth is an excuse only to a point - we are 8 games in and they all seem to be getting worse, not better.

Also, look at Arkansas as an example. They consistently recruit 3* talent, but are sitting at 7-1 in the toughest division maybe in the history of college football. They simply have good leadership starting with Petrino. He had a rebuilding job too, and has gone 5-7, 8-4. 10-2, and 7-1 so far this year. Excuses are wearing thin
 
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I heard their FG kicker is on football suicide watch today. he has been seen listening to non stop country music in an attempt to dull his brain matter.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
"Youth Research" - this counts the number of years of experience each starter of every SEC team has. For example, if a player is a redshirt sophomore, he has 3 years experience. As you can clearly see, Tennessee is a lot younger than Vandy - not even close.

Tennessee
Offense: 27 years
Defense: 25 years

Vanderbilt
Offense: 34 years
Defense: 41 years

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How dare you. Common sense has no place here on VN.
 
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fade route said:
The OP was correct overall in that MANY teams are getting more out of equal talent than this staff is getting from our squad. Youth is an excuse only to a point - we are 8 games in and they all seem to be getting worse, not better.

Also, look at Arkansas as an example. They consistently recruit 3* talent, but are sitting at 7-1 in the toughest division maybe in the history of college football. They simply have good leadership starting with Petrino. He had a rebuilding job too, and has gone 5-7, 8-4. 10-2, and 7-1 so far this year. Excuses are wearing thin
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Again, it is a fact that experience trumps talent any day of the week. Name one team that has a young of team as ours. We could have a class full of 5 stars, but it wouln't matter because kids develop at their own rate.

Boise State is a perfect example of experience over talent, along with all the other many teams that has more years than our players.
 
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teeball said:
I keep hearing all this talk about how “young” the Tennessee football team is … Pelosi !!! (ie BS !!!).

According to the most recent "Rivals" depth charts (including special teams) listed for both Vanderbilt and Tennessee; Vanderbilt starts 6 seniors, 10 juniors, 10 sophomores and 2 freshmen. Tennessee starts 8 seniors, 7 juniors, 9 sophomores and 4 freshmen.

So Vanderbilt is starting 16 seniors/juniors and 12 sophomores/freshmen. Tennessee is starting 15 seniors/juniors and 13 sophomores/freshmen …virtually identical.

Gentlemen, while youth is a problem it’s not the biggest problem as many other teams have youthful players … the problem is … I hate to say is … coaching.

The Vanderbilt coaches are getting an A+ effort out of their team every week and could have beaten both Georgia and Arkansas with just an ounce of luck. Tennessee, on the other hand, seems to be backing up. Furthermore, I’ll bet the players “Star Ranking” comparisons between the teams will only exacerbate our coaching failures.

While I have appreciated Coach Dooley’s intellect, charm, wit and honesty; I’m now wavering on whether or not he has the “right stuff” to be a successful head coach in the SEC. I’m wrong about many things and I certainly hope I’m wrong about CDD but please … let’s stop all this excuse making and just say “the jury’s still out”.
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Are you drunk? This has to be the only logical explanation.
 
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QUOTE=StlCardinals2618;5750593]Again, it is a fact that experience trumps talent any day of the week. Name one team that has a young of team as ours. We could have a class full of 5 stars, but it wouln't matter because kids develop at their own rate.

Boise State is a perfect example of experience over talent, along with all the other many teams that has more years than our players.[/QUOTE]

Vareen's a senior and he still bump tackles after 4 years. Experience isn't everything either. Evans too makes my point
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fade route said:
QUOTE=StlCardinals2618;5750593]Again, it is a fact that experience trumps talent any day of the week. Name one team that has a young of team as ours. We could have a class full of 5 stars, but it wouln't matter because kids develop at their own rate.

Boise State is a perfect example of experience over talent, along with all the other many teams that has more years than our players.
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Vareen's a senior and he still bump tackles after 4 years. Experience isn't everything either. Evans too makes my point
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Vereen was a fulmer recruit at tailback.
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fade route said:
QUOTE=StlCardinals2618;5750593]Again, it is a fact that experience trumps talent any day of the week. Name one team that has a young of team as ours. We could have a class full of 5 stars, but it wouln't matter because kids develop at their own rate.

Boise State is a perfect example of experience over talent, along with all the other many teams that has more years than our players.
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Vareen's a senior and he still bump tackles after 4 years. Experience isn't everything either. Evans too makes my point
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How many positions has Vereen played in his career at UT? He has had less than a year learning the linebacker position.

Art Evans still plays eventhough he is no where near as talented as everyone else, plus he got kicked off the team last year and missed valuable practices.
 
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Well Arkansas's defense is god awful. Typical Petrino, good offense and a pedestrian defense. Guy should hire a defensive coordinator, he'd win titles. Arkansas could have lost last week too. They're playing with fire and will soon get burned. We're just too bad to take advantage of a overrated Arky.
 
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Cartervol said:
Well Arkansas's defense is god awful. Typical Petrino, good offense and a pedestrian defense. Guy should hire a defensive coordinator, he'd win titles. Arkansas could have lost last week too. They're playing with fire and will soon get burned. We're just too bad to take advantage of a overrated Arky.
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I'm not sure that South Carolina isn't better than Arkansas. But, I definitely agree that there's no way we win the game.
 
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I would ask you to go through the 2 deep for the real answers here, but your research up to this point leads me to believe you are in over your head and.... well just not of SEC message board poster quality!
 
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fade route said:
Still love Wilcox, law?
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I already answered your question. I thought he was not good at all on the 98 yard drive. However, if you'd told me we'd hold USCjr to 14 points, I would have thought we would have won the game. He's not the reason we're losing, and you're even dumber than I thought if you think he is.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I'm not sure that South Carolina isn't better than Arkansas. But, I definitely agree that there's no way we win the game.
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South Carolina's defense is worlds better. They'll probably put up 30 plus. Tennessee will be lucky to get into the teens. It's like going to a gun fight with a knife right now.
 
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