Vaccine or not?

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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m saying there’s no data because we tested the **** out of people (they have the data on the number of tests. They actually tested more than average in 20 and 21) and nobody tested positive….for whatever reason…….maybe it’s the hand washing and distancing maybe the tests were faulty and nobody noticed. (It’s a conspiracy and errbody was in on it)
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I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but literally everything you have said in the last two pages is false. Flu testing was down last year, because visits for ILI were down. There were plenty of positives last season, with the peak in December 2021. Here is the graph for last season:
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As for this year's vaccine efficacy, it has been a very, very good match so far. I have only seen two vaccinated kids so far that have tested positive (out of a couple hundred total flu cases). Here is the current viral surveillance data:

  • A (H1N1)pdm09: Thirty-three A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses were antigenically characterized by HI, and 31 (94%) were well recognized (reacting at titers that were within 4-fold of the homologous virus titer) by ferret antisera to cell-grown A/Wisconsin/588/2019-like reference viruses representing the A(H1N1)pdm09 component for the cell- and recombinant-based influenza vaccines and 31 (94%) were well recognized by ferret antisera to egg-grown A/Victoria/2570/2019-like reference viruses representing the A(H1N1)pdm09 component for the egg-based influenza vaccines.
  • A (H3N2): Fifty A(H3N2) viruses were antigenically characterized by HINT; all were well-recognized (reacting at titers that were within 8-fold of the homologous virus titer) by ferret antisera to cell-grown A/Darwin/6/2021-like reference viruses representing the A(H3N2) component for the cell- and recombinant-based influenza vaccines and 48 (96%) were well-recognized by ferret antisera to egg-grown A/Darwin/9/2021-like reference viruses representing the A(H3N2) component for egg-based influenza vaccines.
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Also, while some side effects from mRNA shots and infection are similar, there are a number of different unique concerns that are emerging with the shots. Many of us fear that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
 
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I don't have a graph or a link, but both of my grandkids (live here with us, ages 5 and 9) have tested positive for the flu (one on Monday and the other yesterday).
Both had the vaccine about three weeks ago.
So I don't know if it's too soon for the vaccine to take effect.
But I was just saying today that they must have really missed on the vaccine this year.
I realize that such information will be labeled as "anecdotal," but whatever.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So the mass conspiracy was to not test?
There’s no data because it didn’t exist due to distancing and hand washing. (Those things are not sustainable in reality. The number of influenza test sold did not decrease during Covid. They were not throwing them away. I was tested for influenza multiple times during the “pandemic”.
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The mass conspiracy was to get everyone funneled into the CDC/FDA guidelines that benefited Big Pharma at the expense of our freedoms and doctors' abilities to provide alternative treatments.
 
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VolStrom said:
What about Monkeypox? I had a doctor appointment last week, and they always give me a questionnaire to fill out about illness. In this visit the first question was do I think I have could have been exposed to Monkeypox or do I think I have Monkeypox? They remaining 5 or 6 were about covid or the flu.
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Just curious, what did you say?
 
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GordonC said:
I don't have a graph or a link, but both of my grandkids (live here with us, ages 5 and 9) have tested positive for the flu (one on Monday and the other yesterday).
Both had the vaccine about three weeks ago.
So I don't know if it's too soon for the vaccine to take effect.
But I was just saying today that they must have really missed on the vaccine this year.
I realize that such information will be labeled as "anecdotal," but whatever.
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Some people are going to argue their side no matter what.
This discussion started on my comment “it’s over. get the vaccine, don’t, whatever”
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The mass conspiracy was to get everyone funneled into the CDC/FDA guidelines that benefited Big Pharma at the expense of our freedoms and doctors' abilities to provide alternative treatments.
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No argument there
I’m no fan of the CDC or Big Pharmaceutical
I take issue with those saying the flu was falsely attributed to Covid. Which is simply not true
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
No argument there
I’m no fan of the CDC or Big Pharmaceutical
I take issue with those saying the flu was falsely attributed to Covid. Which is simply not true
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Is it within the realm of possibility that most or a significant number of so-called COVID cases were actually misdiagnosed and were just the seasonal flu?

Pick a percentage. 10%? 50%?

Just at least acknowledge that it is odd that seasonal flu just vanishes for two seasons, even with COVID.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Is it within the realm of possibility that most or a significant number of so-called COVID cases were actually misdiagnosed and were just the seasonal flu?

Pick a percentage. 10%? 50%?

Just at least acknowledge that it is odd that seasonal flu just vanishes for two seasons, even with COVID.
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The testing does not support that
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've been taking Vitamin C. D and zinc and haven't caught C19. No jab, btw, and I have to miss work on 2 occasions because of their dumbazz "close contact" rules. So its not like I've been a bubble boy or living in isolation.
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That's the one thing I've changed is I have started regularly taking those 3 and I also started taking Quercetin. Dr. Zelinko explained it as the zink is the bullet and the Quercetin is the gun. It's worked for me. What was a huge red flag for me from the beginning was the way so many of the "health experts" completely abandoned all of the basic health practices that we have relied on for so many years.
 
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For example….
CDC said there wasn’t a Lyme disease problem in Chattanooga.
We had 10 confirmed cases in our neighborhood.
It doesn’t matter what the CDC says if the Data says something else.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sigh.
They don’t control whether or not the tests work.
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You truly believe that? That at no point in those initial tests, when things were being sent to centralized (big pharma industry) labs, there was no chance for false positives, negatives, or whatever they wanted?

Besides that, the testing cycles and thresholds they were using on PCR lab tests could pop literally anything positive- they were WAY over replicating the samples at two or three times the normal number of cycles used ever just to get results, and on top of that drastically lowered the viral presence required to class someone as having COVID. It essentially meant that if you had any of the virus in you, at any level, symptomatic or not from the virus, you'd end up labeled a COVID case. If you had flu symptoms, and they tested for COVID first, and had little remnants of virus in your system... well, you've got COVID, according to the tests, damn the flu.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
For example….
CDC said there wasn’t a Lyme disease problem in Chattanooga.
We had 10 confirmed cases in our neighborhood.
It doesn’t matter what the CDC says if the Data says something else.
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The data is and has been trash, because they abandoned all semblance of following the rules at the outset to force through a big cash windfall for themselves in the government-industrial-medical cartel.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The data is and has been trash, because they abandoned all semblance of following the rules at the outset to force through a big cash windfall for themselves in the government-industrial-medical cartel.
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And we’ve come full circle
I’ll exit with the comment that started this stupidity.


it’s over.
The Covid vaccine is just another flu shot at this point.
Get it
Don’t get it.
Whatever.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And we’ve come full circle
I’ll exit with the comment that started this stupidity.


it’s over.
The Covid vaccine is just another flu shot at this point.
Get it
Don’t get it.
Whatever.
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No, it hasn't come full circle. You doubled down and said the industry doesn't control how the tests work. That's absolutely false.

It's also not another flu shot. It's a completely different therapy aimed at something that doesn't even exist at this stage. Flu shots have positives. The "vaccine" and its boosters, as it stands now, have none.
 
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ButchPlz said:
No, it hasn't come full circle. You doubled down and said the industry doesn't control how the tests work. That's absolutely false.

It's also not another flu shot. It's a completely different therapy aimed at something that doesn't even exist at this stage. Flu shots have positives. The "vaccine" and its boosters, as it stands now, have none.
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Ok
 
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The flu vaccine is manufactured preemptively, in anticipation of the coming flu season and expected strains. CV19 shots are manufactured after the propagation of variants, which is why they aren't stopping waves of new infections.

I won't get into the differences in the technology of mRNA shots vs traditional viral vaccines.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And we’ve come full circle
I’ll exit with the comment that started this stupidity.


it’s over.
The Covid vaccine is just another flu shot at this point.
Get it
Don’t get it.
Whatever.
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You keep saying it is over and I agree, but we also have people in control of things that want to prolong this and are itching for a way to crawl a lot of these measures back.
 
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