Vaccine or not?

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kiddiedoc said:
I already explained that to you: he has lost several people around him without explanation and just watched a player die on the field after a hit, which has literally never happened before. That makes a person (with a brain) think.

There has been an argument raised that myocarditis risk is much higher from the virus than the vaccine. The Pfizer analysis says "no."

Now, smartypants, go through my list and refute my stupid points.
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Oh has he? Who has died that this random person knows? And are you sure there was no explanation? Or did you just believe that blindly because it confirms your bias?

No one has died on a football field before? You sure about that doc?
 
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Myocarditis after mRNA COVID vaccine risk real, but rare in young men

Males aged 18-29 were at the most risk of developing the condition, especially if they received the Moderna vaccine twice. Overall myocarditis rates among males in this age group were 2.97 per 100,000, which rose to 2.27 per 100,000 after the second dose. Among men ages 18 to 29 who received the Moderna vaccine, the rate was 22.9 per 100,000 doses.
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That's an 8x increase! But per the article:

A new large Canadian study shows a small but significant increased risk in myocarditis
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What gives?
 
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bigorange16 said:
Oh has he? Who has died that this random person knows? And are you sure there was no explanation? Or did you just believe that blindly because it confirms your bias?

No one has died on a football field before? You sure about that doc?
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1971. Undiagnosed cardiac atherosclerosis leading to MI.

I'm sure you already knew that.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I already explained that to you: he has lost several people around him without explanation and just watched a player die on the field after a hit, which has literally never happened before. That makes a person (with a brain) think.

There has been an argument raised that myocarditis risk is much higher from the virus than the vaccine. The Pfizer analysis says "no."

Now, smartypants, go through my list and refute my stupid points.
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It’s funny that you think because I called out that dumbass tweet that I must disagree with everything you’ve ever said on this board and should have to refute it all. If I’m not in your tribe, I must be in the opposing one right? Simpleton.
 
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See that the nephew of Jeffrey Simmons (Titans DL) died in a 7 on 7 drills on the field. He was 15. Had the build of a WR from pictures.

Curious if he was vaxxed.
 
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A new study published on Wednesday (January 4) in the Journal of the American Heart Association is lending more evidence that young adult myocarditis post-vaccine is caused by spike proteins.

This study aimed to investigate the immune profiles of adolescents and young adults who developed myocarditis after receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine.


https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
 
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@RockyTop85

On the subject of CV19 myocarditis. I present the most recent peer-reviewed info from the MAGAnistas at UpToDate:

Myocarditis — Numerous COVID-19 case reports have described findings consistent with a diagnosis of "clinically suspected myocarditis" [25-31], but there have been few cases of histologically confirmed myocarditis [32-34], and viral myocarditis caused directly by SARS-CoV-2 has not been definitively confirmed [32,35,36]. (See 'Myocardial histology and viral genome analysis' below.)
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RockyTop85 said:
My belief that vaccines are less likely to cause myocarditis than Covid infection is based on research that I’ve read. I am open to reading contradictory evidence but so far asking for that has only rustled jimmies.

My statements about individual posters are just personal opinions.
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Hasn't pretty much everyone had covid at this point, vaxed or not?
 
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2EastTnVols said:
Hasn't pretty much everyone had covid at this point, vaxed or not?
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No idea. I’m not advocating the merits of vaccination. I suggest making an informed decision with the advice of your doctor and that’s it.

The Bills safety collapsed on MNF and it was brought up in here. There were some insinuations that it was/might be caused by the vaccine. The people saying that it is a big cause for concern generally said that the significantly higher risks from Covid 19 and Delta variant were nothing to worry about. I asked whether I should forget that they said that or forget that the risks of myocarditis are/were greater. I was told that the latter was actually not true. I asked for a source and the discussion devolved into pretty much anything and everything but that.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Did those not suit you?
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I don’t know what you’re referring to, specifically. The things I saw from you before you took your ball and went home were not related to the question I was asking. Remember, I said you were being misleading?

If you’ve posted something since then, I didn’t see it.

Edit: I see it. None of the links work.

So do you think that’s a fair representation of the article’s contents? Covid doesn’t cause myocardial injuries that could be have potentially harmful residual effects in high level athletes or healthy young people? But in your opinion, the vaccine does?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
No idea. I’m not advocating the merits of vaccination. I suggest making an informed decision with the advice of your doctor and that’s it.

The Bills safety collapsed on MNF and it was brought up in here. There were some insinuations that it was/might be caused by the vaccine. The people saying that it is a big cause for concern generally said that the significantly higher risks from Covid 19 and Delta variant were nothing to worry about. I asked whether I should forget that they said that or forget that the risks of myocarditis are/were greater. I was told that the latter was actually not true. I asked for a source and the discussion devolved into pretty much anything and everything but that.
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Imagine thinking COVID is 7 times more likely to cause myocarditis. I mean to believe something like that 😂😂😂😂🙄🙄
 
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I think some of the mask wearer on here have their skinny jeans on too tight.

But the bright side is the venous compression the jeans provide may help prevent a blood clot.

Free skinny jeans for getting your booster.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know what you’re referring to, specifically. The things I saw from you before you took your ball and went home were not related to the question I was asking. Remember, I said you were being misleading?

If you’ve posted something since then, I didn’t see it.

Edit: I see it. None of the links work.

So do you think that’s a fair representation of the article’s contents? Covid doesn’t cause myocardial injuries that could be have potentially harmful residual effects in high level athletes or healthy young people? But in your opinion, the vaccine does?
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That's because UTD is a subscription based information service for providers (like me). The summary I provided is a peer-reviewed analysis of the data (which you don't believe or are willingly ignoring). I'll link the references for your medical expertise to review:

  1. Escher F, Pietsch H, Aleshcheva G, et al. Detection of viral SARS-CoV-2 genomes and histopathological changes in endomyocardial biopsies. ESC Heart Fail 2020; 7:2440.
  2. Salah HM, Mehta JL. Takotsubo cardiomyopathy and COVID-19 infection. Eur Heart J Cardiovasc Imaging 2020; 21:1299.
  3. Nicol M, Cacoub L, Baudet M, et al. Delayed acute myocarditis and COVID-19-related multisystem inflammatory syndrome. ESC Heart Fail 2020; 7:4371.
  4. Caforio ALP, Baritussio A, Basso C, Marcolongo R. Clinically Suspected and Biopsy-Proven Myocarditis Temporally Associated with SARS-CoV-2 Infection. Annu Rev Med 2022; 73:149.
  5. Kawakami R, Sakamoto A, Kawai K, et al. Pathological Evidence for SARS-CoV-2 as a Cause of Myocarditis: JACC Review Topic of the Week. J Am Coll Cardiol 2021; 77:314.
You will have to search for the articles, because the links lead to UpToDate. They are easy to find on the web.
 
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