Vaccine or not?

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yes but not as much.

Wrong. Masks cannot stop smoke particles. Virus particles are smaller. Masks give a sense of safety for some. Basically they make people feel better and safer.

 

[EasternVol]

Wrong. Masks cannot stop smoke particles. Virus particles are smaller. Masks give a sense of safety for some. Basically they make people feel better and safer.

They reduce the distance airborne droplets travel, which reduces risk to nearby people. As far as I know masks don't do much for the wearer.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They reduce the distance airborne droplets travel, which reduces risk to nearby people. As far as I know masks don't do much for the wearer.

They do virtually zero for aerosol particles which is the more likely state of particle exhaling in asymptomatic people. They’re useless

 

[EasternVol]

They do virtually zero for aerosol particles which is the more likely state of particle exhaling in asymptomatic people. They’re useless

Aerosols too
Human Research Study of Particulate Propagation Distance From Human Respiratory Function

 

[newyorkvol]

They do virtually zero for aerosol particles which is the more likely state of particle exhaling in asymptomatic people. They’re useless

What is interesting is that the usual things we used to do to prevent droplet transmission (stay home, cover mouth and nose while sneezing, wash hands) are no longer options. I’ve actually seen studies that prove masks significantly more effective in reducing droplet spread while coughing compared to not covering nose or mouth at all. There was no study arm comparing hand/crook of elbow/handkerchief to mask or nothing.

So….masks are better than nothing. But we have, and have had, other options.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Aerosols too
Human Research Study of Particulate Propagation Distance From Human Respiratory Function

Ah yes this is going around again huh? The (in)famous high speed camera study that focuses on particles larger than 1 micron and extrapolating effectiveness on particles smaller than 0.1 micron. Your offered study does not support your assertion for the specific particle in question.

 

[NorthDallas40]

What is interesting is that the usual things we used to do to prevent droplet transmission (stay home, cover mouth and nose while sneezing, wash hands) are no longer options. I’ve actually seen studies that prove masks significantly more effective in reducing droplet spread while coughing compared to not covering nose or mouth at all. There was no study arm comparing hand/crook of elbow/handkerchief to mask or nothing.

So….masks are better than nothing. But we have, and have had, other options.

I’ll concede masks are effective against droplets. I have seen no data including the shiite article offered up above (again for like the 30th time on here) that they are effective on submicron particles. Go check out OSHA regs on protection against particulates in that class. Spoiler alert: they don’t offer up your old used drawers on your face

 

[NorthDallas40]

What is interesting is that the usual things we used to do to prevent droplet transmission (stay home, cover mouth and nose while sneezing, wash hands) are no longer options. I’ve actually seen studies that prove masks significantly more effective in reducing droplet spread while coughing compared to not covering nose or mouth at all. There was no study arm comparing hand/crook of elbow/handkerchief to mask or nothing.

So….masks are better than nothing. But we have, and have had, other options.

Oh was gonna end with if nothing else this fiasco has taught us just how nasty the average person has become

 

[kiddiedoc]

University That Funds Biden’s Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales & FDA Approvals

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So should we next mandate the flu shot?

 

[NorthDallas40]

So should we next mandate the flu shot?

If it will help the idiot in chiefs PR efforts she will answer yes.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

University That Funds Biden’s Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales & FDA Approvals

How totally not surprising.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They do virtually zero for aerosol particles which is the more likely state of particle exhaling in asymptomatic people. They’re useless

If the masks don't prevent you from seeing people exhaling on a cold day, then they don't do jack for a virus.

 

[ButchPlz]

University That Funds Biden’s Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales & FDA Approvals

But THE SCIENCE!

 

[NorthDallas40]

If the masks don't prevent you from seeing people exhaling on a cold day, then they don't do jack for a virus.

The tripe article offered up above appears to be the peer reviewed version of the one circulating early last year that was lambasted for not having any applicability on a sub micron particle. Some of the text appears to have changed to protect the guilty but we still have this nugget

Studies with high-speed stroboscopic light photography [10] found a majority of respiratory droplets to lie within the 7–10 µm diameter range and expelled no more than 2–3 ft (0.610–0.914 m).

For reference for @EasternVol ’s education on the matter the virus size is around 0.05 micron so we’re talking about a useless test focusing on particles 100x larger than the virus in question. The whole “study” is a classic example of bad science.

I won’t digress into the faulty background in the methodology as related to camera aperture diameter, imaged wavelength, and diffraction limit of the optical system this time. Instead I’ll just point out that when attempting to image particles of this size they don’t bust out wide optical field imagers they go to very high powered microscopes.

 

[ButchPlz]

The tripe article offered up above appears to be the peer reviewed version of the one circulating early last year that was lambasted for not having any applicability on a sub micron particle. Some of the text appears to have changed to protect the guilty but we still have this nugget



For reference for @EasternVol ’s education on the matter the virus size is around 0.05 micron so we’re talking about a useless test focusing on particles 100x larger than the virus in question. The whole “study” is a classic example of bad science.

I won’t digress into the faulty background in the methodology as related to camera aperture diameter, imaged wavelength, and diffraction limit of the optical system this time. Instead I’ll just point out that when attempting to image particles of this size they don’t bust out wide optical field imagers they go to very high powered microscopes.

Everything with this pandemic has been financially-motivated bad science designed around an agenda. It's the grand climax of years of failure in "studies" in universities. Just look up the replication crisis, then ask any academic the main motivation/incentive forced down on them by university leadership.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Singapore uses PCR to confirm infection so they're pretty accurate. What's the false positive rate in Tennessee?

If you think PCR tests are accurate then we are a long way apart in agreeing on this. You say “pretty accurate”. If that means 50-70% then ok.

 

[Weezy]

Even if you did a controlled lab study on droplet/virus capture it wouldn't matter much in the real world. What you need is a study with this masked versus unmasked in the same communities. But for some reason, two years later, there's not much there. It's because the CDC and NIH exist for one reason only, to serve the interests of pharmaceutical companies.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Even if you did a controlled lab study on droplet/virus capture it wouldn't matter much in the real world. What you need is a study with this masked versus unmasked in the same communities. But for some reason, two years later, there's not much there. It's because the CDC and NIH exist for one reason only, to serve the interests of pharmaceutical companies.

I can use the Loudon County and Knox County schools. Knox County with mask mandate had more illness and school closures than Loudon with no masks.

It's not that difficult.

 

[evillawyer]

But what about vaccine-induced myocarditis?

 

[NorthDallas40]

But what about vaccine-induced myocarditis?

One whole year of “long term” COVID huh? The NIH shill has spoken so the water must be carried.

Also —-v

CDC weighs increasing time between vaccine doses to lower risk of heart inflammation

 

[DC_Vol]

Everything with this pandemic has been financially-motivated bad science designed around an agenda. It's the grand climax of years of failure in "studies" in universities. Just look up the replication crisis, then ask any academic the main motivation/incentive forced down on them by university leadership.

That’s what happens when getting to a certain threshold of a p value becomes the goal of the experiment, not ensuring it is designed well enough to hold up to replication.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

And?

 

[Majors]

Nice photo op heading into election season.

 

[VolStrom]

If the masks don't prevent you from seeing people exhaling on a cold day, then they don't do jack for a virus.

I went to an ophthalmologist in the spring and they had a mask mandate. When the doc was trying to look at my eyes I kept steaming up of the lenses through the top of my mask. I asked if I could take it off and he said please do.