UT's chance at March Madness

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#101
zansdad said:
No, not really. He's trying to say that RPI doesn't matter much anymore and that the committee is moving to other polls, like Kenpom and Sagarin. He also says that RPI no longer matters when it come to seeding.

No I'm not. I'm saying that the Committee isn't putting the emphasis on RPI that they ued to, especially when it comes to seeding.

He makes it sound like there is some move to this new way of thinking when in reality these things (or whatever things existed at the time) have always been used.

He also makes a subtle generalization that RPI is just tossed out the window once a team is in the tourney and it comes time for seeding. This isn't true either. RPI is one of the main factor the committee looks at, it's just not the only factor. But it's not like it's importance is waning as years go by. Teams with good RPI's and few quality wins have always been punished. Conversely, teams with suspect RPI's but good road records and a large number of quality wins have often been "over-seeded".

RPI has never been the end all and be all for selection or seeding. But it is very important. ( Much like wheels on a car, no one wheel is going to get you down the road but you still need all of them). MC is saying that there is this recent push to use other criteria and reduce the importance of RPI, when that other criteria has always been used (within the confines of its existance, they obviously couldn't have used Kenpom before it Poleroy created the site) and the RPI is the brainchild of the NCAA itself.

THAT is what Im saying.
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#103
#103
johnnybravo said:
Not much room for error. Looks like the worse we can do is probably 11 - 5 in the SEC with wins over Xavier and Memphis.
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12-6 in the SEC and win the next four OOC games. should get us in IMO.
 
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"No, not really. He's trying to say that RPI doesn't matter much anymore and that the committee is moving to other polls, like Kenpom and Sagarin. He also says that RPI no longer matters when it come to seeding.

No I'm not. I'm saying that the Committee isn't putting the emphasis on RPI that they used to, especially when it comes to seeding."
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maybe I misunderstood this statement of yours then
MemphisCanes said:
I don't know what Memphis' RPI is. I normally don't even pay attention to it until March.

RPI is meaning less and less to the committee anyways.
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and maybe you were exaggerating but I was working off this post when I made the second part of the above statement
MemphisCanes said:
Perhaps for inclusion in the dance, as opposed to seeding. But usually an RPI in the top 50 is what you need to get in the door. Then the committee seems to throw any given team's specific RPI rank out the window.
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zansdad said:
And there is nothing to indicate this other than media dissatisfaction with the RPI. A thing which most of them only understand well enough to criticize it when it doesn't line up with their notion of how good or bad a team is.
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The committee is finally taking into account better metrics, such as Sagarin and kenpom. It's not getting rid of RPI, and it still uses RPI a lot to judge good and bad wins. But the importance of a teams specific ranking in the RPI is being decreased, seemingly for measurements like top 100 wins and the ever ambiguous "eye test".
 
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MemphisCanes said:
The committee is finally taking into account better metrics, such as Sagarin and kenpom. It's not getting rid of RPI, and it still uses RPI a lot to judge good and bad wins. But the importance of a teams specific ranking in the RPI is being decreased, seemingly for measurements like top 100 wins and the ever ambiguous "eye test".
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Those things have always been true though. That's my basic point. It's not like there has been a movement to this way of thinking. This has always been the way of thinking.

As for metrics like Kenpom and Sagarin being better for selection, that is a debate for a different thread.
 
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zansdad said:
Those things have always been true though. That's my basic point. It's not like there has been a movement to this way of thinking. This has always been the way of thinking.

As for metrics like Kenpom and Sagarin being better for selection, that is a debate for a different thread.
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The committee taking kenpom and sagarin into account happened just last season.

REVISION: I believe it was last year. The committe chairmen stated this on an ESPN Q&A, if I recall correctly.
 
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We are 5-3, going forward...

Vs. Presbyterian. W
Vs. Western Carolina. W
Vs. Xavier. W
Vs. Memphis. L
Vs. Ole Miss. W
@ Bama. L
@ UK. L
Vs. Mississippi State. W
@ Ole Miss. L
Vs. Bama. W
Vs. Vandy. W
@ Arkansas W
Vs. Georgia. W
@ South Carolina. W
@ Vanderbilt W
Vs. Kentucky. L
Vs. LSU. W
@ Texas A&M. W
Vs. Florida. L
@ Georgia. W
@ Auburn. W
Vs. Missouri L


That'd be 20-10 (12-6) no bad losses and a couple good wins, I have to think that gets us in.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
The committee taking kenpom and sagarin into account happened just last season.

REVISION: I believe it was last year. The committe chairmen stated this on an ESPN Q&A, if I recall correctly.
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If you are specifically trying to say that the committee has begun using Kenpom and Sagarin recently then I would agree.

But if you are saying that recently the committee has begun moving away from RPI because they suddenly feel these other 2 are better, then I have to disagree with you.

They may have started using Kenpom and Sagarin last year or 2 years ago, but they have always used 'other tools". Kenpom and Sagarin have just been the most recent things added to the toolbox.

In any case, time to move on. We could argue this for a couple months.
 
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GatorsGators said:
KenPom has UF #1 right now, and Sagarin has UF #2 (#1 in predictor). Are you going to throw those out as well because you don't like the fact that Florida is good this season?

Also, actually, TR gives Florida a 15.5% chance of winning it all as opposed to Indiana's 17%.
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Maybe you can go back in my post and find where i said Florida is not good? I'll keep waiting.





After what about this team tells you they have the best chances to win it all? Again, Ill keep waiting.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We are 5-3, going forward...

Vs. Presbyterian. W
Vs. Western Carolina. W
Vs. Xavier. W
Vs. Memphis. L
Vs. Ole Miss. W
@ Bama. L
@ UK. L
Vs. Mississippi State. W
@ Ole Miss. L
Vs. Bama. W
Vs. Vandy. W
@ Arkansas W
Vs. Georgia. W
@ South Carolina. W
@ Vanderbilt W
Vs. Kentucky. L
Vs. LSU. W
@ Texas A&M. W
Vs. Florida. L
@ Georgia. W
@ Auburn. W
Vs. Missouri L


That'd be 20-10 (12-6) no bad losses and a couple good wins, I have to think that gets us in.
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I agree with this except I believe we need to beat KY or FL once to make it in
 
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#113
#113
bleedingTNorange said:
We are 5-3, going forward...

Vs. Presbyterian. W
Vs. Western Carolina. W
Vs. Xavier. W
Vs. Memphis. L
Vs. Ole Miss. W
@ Bama. L
@ UK. L
Vs. Mississippi State. W
@ Ole Miss. L
Vs. Bama. W
Vs. Vandy. W
@ Arkansas W
Vs. Georgia. W
@ South Carolina. W
@ Vanderbilt W
Vs. Kentucky. L
Vs. LSU. W
@ Texas A&M. W
Vs. Florida. L
@ Georgia. W
@ Auburn. W
Vs. Missouri L


That'd be 20-10 (12-6) no bad losses and a couple good wins, I have to think that gets us in.
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Not sure how I missed this post earlier. There would be a lot of sweating going on selection Sunday with that resume.

Only quality wins (as it appears now)would be WSU, Ole Miss, @ Arky, and Bama. I guess I can throw A&M in there now, though I think their RPI is smoke and mirrors right now.

Also getting swept by UK, Mizzou and UF is not going to look good. With that resume, UT would probably be in the discussion, but I don't think anyone would feel comfortable about it. Plus a 1 and done in the SECt could knock them right off the bubble with that resume.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that. I am actually quite optomistic about this team going forward, even without Maymon. As ugly as it has been, they are a single jump shot away from being 6-2, with a great RPI and possibly being in the top 25. If either of those last 2 looks go down vs Georgetown then this team is viewed in a completely different light right now. They are that close. I don't believe in moral victories but there are measureing sticks that are useful. Losing 2 close and ugly games on the road to quality teams does not make this team as bad as everyone has made them out to be. (I hope!!!)

:peace2::peace2:
 
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#114
#114
^ very good post

As far as my prediction there, I was more taking what I feel very good about. I do think well likely win Atleast one against those top team so that'd put us at 21 wins and another "good win" on our resume.

I just hope we aren't sweating it out come selection Sunday.
 
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RPI only dropped 15 points after beating Presbyterian. Not nearly as bad as I was thinking. WCU shouldn't be anywhere near that much. So, maybe at 80 to end play against the worst part of the OOC schedule.
 
#117
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zansdad said:
RPI only dropped 15 points after beating Presbyterian. Not nearly as bad as I was thinking. WCU shouldn't be anywhere near that much. So, maybe at 80 to end play against the worst part of the OOC schedule.
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Wins verse Xavier and Memphis put us back around 60?
 
#118
#118
zansdad said:
RPI only dropped 15 points after beating Presbyterian. Not nearly as bad as I was thinking. WCU shouldn't be anywhere near that much. So, maybe at 80 to end play against the worst part of the OOC schedule.
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RPI is at a respectable 58 today. Western Carolina is sitting at 211, Xavier at 60, and Memphis at 127.
 
#119
#119
bleedingTNorange said:
Wins verse Xavier and Memphis put us back around 60?
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Seems like it should. 2 teams with solid records to offset the last 2 teams with poor records. Plus winning all 4 games. They were actually sitting at and RPI of 57 right before tip-off, so they may make it back into the 50's with a win over Memphis.
 
#122
#122
johnnybravo said:
Obviously, I need to switch sites.

Huge game for us and Xavier tonight. Going up against undefeated #11 ranked Cincinnati. Win that game and they will instantly go from a possible good win to great win for us.
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Hopefully. But Xavier last to Vandy 2 weeks ago, at home, so they doesn't fill me with a lot of warm and fuzzies.
 
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#123
Current RPI for UT is #74.

Not an impressive number. I am not sold on Martin but I will give him this year and next to make up my mind. He just doesn't seem concerned that much with UT's offensive woes nor does he have a sense of urgency about recruiting a true point guard.

I wonder how good Golden could be at the 2 if UT had an actual point guard.
 
#124
#124
patrick said:
Current RPI for UT is #74.

Not an impressive number. I am not sold on Martin but I will give him this year and next to make up my mind. He just doesn't seem concerned that much with UT's offensive woes nor does he have a sense of urgency about recruiting a true point guard.

I wonder how good Golden could be at the 2 if UT had an actual point guard.
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Golden had 8 ast 0 turnovers last night. What more do you want from him? And have you heard of Landry? He's as pure of a pg as you're going to get, he won't score much at all but he'll get you assist.
 
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