UTC's David Blackburn says no official contact with UT on job

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LWSVOL said:
I think before Christmas
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THANKS for trying to keep us in the loop as much as you're able my friend.

Blackburn on the job the sooner the better is what we desperately need right now.

Then he can start helping buTch get the right coaches and a solid S&C coach ASAP.

I just hope we get good coaches that are also known to be GREAT recruiters.

Recruiting is the lifeblood of college sports as we all know.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Vercingetorix said:
LSU couldn't get either of the guys they wanted so they had to hire their interim coach. USC hired their interim coach. Georgia hired a coordinator with no head coaching experience. Texas has made two recent hires; first they went with a guy from the AAC, and then when he flopped, they hired another guy from the AAC, this time one who just finished 4th in his division. Florida's two recent hires have been a coordinator and then a guy from the Mountain West.

Those might be the top five jobs in the whole country and not one of them's been able to make a slam dunk hire. This idea that all it takes is a willingness to throw money around is a fantasy.
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LSU fired Miles at 114 and 34 only to hire a guy that got blow'd out of Ole Miss after three years with a record of 10 and 25 (3 & 21 in conference).

LSU was willing to pay high dollars for a top name coach - they have one of the most talented teams in the SEC (and country) and fertile recruiting grounds but they could not hire a premier coach. Interesting concept isnt it?
 
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Remy said:
Lol, your line of thinking drives me insane, if you're of the "best person for the job" variety. If best person for the job requirements discounts a UT connection over a degree from Harvard from an individual who has never been south of the Mason Dixon line, give me the UT connection every time.
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they just need another redneck to relate to.
 
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In the last ten years, there have been three surefire slam dunk hires in college football that everyone knew would work.

Nick Saban at Alabama in 2007.

Urban Meyer at Ohio State in 2012.

Jim Harbaugh at Michigan in 2015.

Look at those three hires.

1. Alabama first offered Rich Rodriguez (who turned them down while at FREAKING WEST VIRGINIA) and then made Jim Leavitt (!!!) their number one contender before the Dolphins nosedived and Saban wanted out with ownership concerns. If Rich Rod takes the Alabama job or Nick Saban picks Brees over Culpepper they don't get him.

2. Ohio State loses Jim Tressel due to NCAA violations and Urban has to leave Florida after his fake heart attack because his wife found about his affairs with cheerleaders and had to leave for a year.

3. Michigan hires Harbaugh because the GM wins a power struggle and sucks up to the owner so Harbaugh gets fired AND it is alma mater. If Harbaugh doesn't go to Michigan he is still coaching in the NFL.

You don't hire slam dunks. You hire top ten program coordinators or you hire top 25 mid majors coach.

Texas- A coach from Louisville and Houston

Nebraska- A DC from LSU and a 93-80 Pac-12 coach who never won his division or conference

Oregon- Promoted their OC twice, then hired a guy from South Florida with three losing seasons.

USC- Hired a 12-21 career head coach, hired a 34-29 guy from Washington, hired and promoted their OC

LSU- Hired a 21-29 career coach

Florida- Hired Texas' DC with no coaching experience and the head coach from Colorado State who never won his conference

Michigan- Hired the head coach from West Virginia, then hire a guy who spent two years at San Diego State who was 13-12 and 34-38 at Ball State

Notre Dame- Hired a guy from Cincinnati

Big name hires don't happen anymore.
 
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There is no such thing as a surefire slam dunk hire. No, not everyone saw what Saban would do at Bama before he got there. Many of us were really questioning what they'd done when he lost to LA-Monroe in his first year. Big name hires however happen every year. Tom Herman "the Houston coach" definitely qualifies as a big name hire on the basis that pretty much every P5 school that was in the market had him first or second on their list. I have no idea how many games Herman will win at Texas but the Horns definitely won the press conference and whatever boost in donor, fan, and recruiting enthusiasm that accompanies hiring the most coveted coach that made himself available for hiring in a particular year.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Several coaches were interviewed when Kiffin was hired, head coaches at other places. it was true that Hamilton had already settled on Kiffin when interviewing those coaches but he did speak with them

there were 9 or 10 coaches told us no before Dooley was hired. No to even having a conversation not no to an offer. I believe all were head coaches. Was an impossible situation to get people to come ot.

Gundy and Strong said no, Strong after agreeing to take the job. before Jones..
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Why doesn't UT circle back on a guy like Strong? Obviously Texas was a bust for him, but that had a lot to do with their donors and such. Strong is a SEC guy.... and our defense sux, frankly. And, I know it's too late now, but this is something nobody ever does.
 
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Just speculating, but is it possible that UTK does NOT want to Poach from their sister School UTC?? Just Wondering? :dunno::dunno:



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Chilmonty said:
Just speculating, but is it possible that UTK does NOT want to Poach from their sister School UTC?? Just Wondering? :dunno::dunno:



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Seems like it works the other way. UTC usually gets a lot of the cast offs from Knoxville. My guess is that what's happening is a bunch of administrators whose UTK ties don't run any deeper that their paychecks are trying to decide whether they want to let a UTK person into the party.
 
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utmba93 said:
Why doesn't UT circle back on a guy like Strong? Obviously Texas was a bust for him, but that had a lot to do with their donors and such. Strong is a SEC guy.... and our defense sux, frankly. And, I know it's too late now, but this is something nobody ever does.
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if they had an opening, they might.. there was nothing open on the staff in the couple weeks he was out of a job.
 
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Chilmonty said:
Just speculating, but is it possible that UTK does NOT want to Poach from their sister School UTC?? Just Wondering? :dunno::dunno:



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no..

review timelines.

he goes to UTC three years or so ago to build experience.

Hart doesn't get requested contract extension for last two years.

Hart announces retirement..

Blackburn returns to Knoxville..

seems obvious to me
 
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patrick said:
LSU fired Miles at 114 and 34 only to hire a guy that got blow'd out of Ole Miss after three years with a record of 10 and 25 (3 & 21 in conference).

LSU was willing to pay high dollars for a top name coach - they have one of the most talented teams in the SEC (and country) and fertile recruiting grounds but they could not hire a premier coach. Interesting concept isnt it?
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wait, what? you do know LSU turned down Herman's counter of, what, 6.5m a year? and "settled" for the cheaper, interim version.
 
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zjcvols said:
In the last ten years, there have been three surefire slam dunk hires in college football that everyone knew would work.

Nick Saban at Alabama in 2007.

Urban Meyer at Ohio State in 2012.

Jim Harbaugh at Michigan in 2015.

Look at those three hires.

1. Alabama first offered Rich Rodriguez (who turned them down while at FREAKING WEST VIRGINIA) and then made Jim Leavitt (!!!) their number one contender before the Dolphins nosedived and Saban wanted out with ownership concerns. If Rich Rod takes the Alabama job or Nick Saban picks Brees over Culpepper they don't get him.

2. Ohio State loses Jim Tressel due to NCAA violations and Urban has to leave Florida after his fake heart attack because his wife found about his affairs with cheerleaders and had to leave for a year.

3. Michigan hires Harbaugh because the GM wins a power struggle and sucks up to the owner so Harbaugh gets fired AND it is alma mater. If Harbaugh doesn't go to Michigan he is still coaching in the NFL.

You don't hire slam dunks. You hire top ten program coordinators or you hire top 25 mid majors coach.

Texas- A coach from Louisville and Houston

Nebraska- A DC from LSU and a 93-80 Pac-12 coach who never won his division or conference

Oregon- Promoted their OC twice, then hired a guy from South Florida with three losing seasons.

USC- Hired a 12-21 career head coach, hired a 34-29 guy from Washington, hired and promoted their OC

LSU- Hired a 21-29 career coach

Florida- Hired Texas' DC with no coaching experience and the head coach from Colorado State who never won his conference

Michigan- Hired the head coach from West Virginia, then hire a guy who spent two years at San Diego State who was 13-12 and 34-38 at Ball State

Notre Dame- Hired a guy from Cincinnati

Big name hires don't happen anymore.
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That is just silly. Michigan hired Hoke because he was a "Michigan" guy. Mcelwain had turned around Colorado State in 2 years. Brian Kelly had turned around Cincinnati. Muschamp was the hottest coordinator at the time and was the coach in waiting at Texas. We hire guys with no track record of success at any level and then claim there are no big names.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is just silly. Michigan hired Hoke because he was a "Michigan" guy. Mcelwain had turned around Colorado State in 2 years. Brian Kelly had turned around Cincinnati. Muschamp was the hottest coordinator at the time and was the coach in waiting at Texas. We hire guys with no track record of success at any level and then claim there are no big names.
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i think the overall point still being, there's no guarantee. i remember those hires similarly, and also remember us not being attractive enough to lure Muschamp away, but a year later, FL was. that told me a lot about the perception of the program at the time, more than anything else. remember, muschamp and several others said no, so it's not like, at least in all cases, that we didn't ask the right guys. :thumbsup:
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is just silly. Michigan hired Hoke because he was a "Michigan" guy. Mcelwain had turned around Colorado State in 2 years. Brian Kelly had turned around Cincinnati. Muschamp was the hottest coordinator at the time and was the coach in waiting at Texas. We hire guys with no track record of success at any level and then claim there are no big names.
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It seems like we get turned down by the big names, then we deny having offered them and hire relatively unproven people. Then it later comes out that we wouldn't ante up for top talent prices.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It seems like we get turned down by the big names, then we deny having offered them and hire relatively unproven people. Then it later comes out that we wouldn't ante up for top talent prices.
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agreed. but even the ones we offered, muschamp comes to mind, he didn't sign with FL a year later for all that much a different price than was offered to him from us? or am i remembering that wrong?
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. but even the ones we offered, muschamp comes to mind, he didn't sign with FL a year later for all that much a different price than was offered to him from us? or am i remembering that wrong?
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The money has to be there but who you are working for and the position you are put into to succeed is a strong selling point or a detriment to pulling a good coach.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It seems like we get turned down by the big names, then we deny having offered them and hire relatively unproven people. Then it later comes out that we wouldn't ante up for top talent prices.
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Correct, and that is my point we don't even try. By trying, I mean throw out a good number and make them say no not just make a phone call or not at least make an attempt to counter offer. If they say no after that, then you have done the best you can and you try to figure out what needs to change inside the athletic department. UT doesn't do that, we put a few feelers out then rush to settle on a candidate in a race to salvage recruiting with little thought on actual player development.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Correct, and that is my point we don't even try. By trying, I mean throw out a good number and make them say no not just make a phone call or not at least make an attempt to counter offer. If they say no after that, then you have done the best you can and you try to figure out what needs to change inside the athletic department. UT doesn't do that, we put a few feelers out then rush to settle on a candidate in a race to salvage recruiting with little thought on actual player development.
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oh, i think we got that part nailed down.:)
 
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landscapingvol said:
Correct, and that is my point we don't even try. By trying, I mean throw out a good number and make them say no not just make a phone call or not at least make an attempt to counter offer. If they say no after that, then you have done the best you can and you try to figure out what needs to change inside the athletic department. UT doesn't do that, we put a few feelers out then rush to settle on a candidate in a race to salvage recruiting with little thought on actual player development.
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Where is all this booster money and donations going? Someone is getting overpaid for having their thumb up their a$$.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is just silly. Michigan hired Hoke because he was a "Michigan" guy. Mcelwain had turned around Colorado State in 2 years. Brian Kelly had turned around Cincinnati. Muschamp was the hottest coordinator at the time and was the coach in waiting at Texas. We hire guys with no track record of success at any level and then claim there are no big names.
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Butch Jones' resume was just as impressive as McElwain's. Kelly turned Cincy around but it's NOTRE DAME. That's the best they got. Tennessee ****ed up the Dooley hire but UT hired the Tom Herman of 2008-2009. They got the top guy.
 
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