Utah State

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LotteryPick said:
You act like USU won't be experiencing significant attrition.
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We return a lot of our core experience.

QB: Keeton, who was a heisman candidate and his backup who was 6-1 as a starter last year
RB: Starter is back. not a lot of depth behind him.
WR/TE: 2 starters, 4 of the 6 in the 2 deep and 7 of top 10

OL:2, maybe 3 (med redshirt) starters

DL: return 3 of the 6 who rotate, but lose 1 of our best defensive players here.

LB: 3/4 starters, 5/8 of 2-deep

CB: lose both, one to the NFL. could hurt here.

S: return 1 of the 2 starters.


So there is a lot coming back. same as most years. next year will be the bad attrition year.
 
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ficklez said:
We return a lot of our core experience.

QB: Keeton, who was a heisman candidate and his backup who was 6-1 as a starter last year
RB: Starter is back. not a lot of depth behind him.
WR/TE: 2 starters, 4 of the 6 in the 2 deep and 7 of top 10

OL:2, maybe 3 (med redshirt) starters

DL: return 3 of the 6 who rotate, but lose 1 of our best defensive players here.

LB: 3/4 starters, 5/8 of 2-deep

CB: lose both, one to the NFL. could hurt here.

S: return 1 of the 2 starters.


So there is a lot coming back. same as most years. next year will be the bad attrition year.
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Keeton's a stud, but he's going to be rusty coming back. I could see him struggling enough to get behind early.

Losing 3 in the secondary will hurt, considering our WR's should be much better. North, plus adding Malone and Pearson.
 
#603
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LotteryPick said:
Keeton's a stud, but he's going to be rusty coming back. I could see him struggling enough to get behind early.

Losing 3 in the secondary will hurt, considering our WR's should be much better. North, plus adding Malone and Pearson.
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yeah he could be rusty. his injury was early in the season though so he has time to get better. he's been off crutches for months already. ACL is even more worrying because he is such a good runner. He is a great passer too though (18-2 td-int before he went down), so it isn't like he's a one trick pony. isn't your QB coming back from injury too? I know it isn't an ACL, but injuries can be unpredictable.

the safety we lose is a great player, but a bad cover guy. he was a LB that was moved to Safety and used to blitz. He single-handedly lost the game against utah though with his bad coverage IMO. he's a freak athlete, but we should be better against the pass at Safety (but much weaker on the run stopping by the safety).

our real strength is our linebackers and we have some good ones coming back, especially kyler fackrell. I think he is as good as bobby wagner was, and while he might not pan out like wagner has in the NFL (though he's projected to be drafted as high if not higher), he is a really really solid college guy.
 
#604
#604
UTcomes through the T like... :superman: and USU come out to boos , so they :moon2: 4 quaters of :bottom: insues. End result? :td: and lots of them.

Or even more simply put.

UT= :pimp_2: USU= :boobies:
 
#605
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ficklez said:
yeah he could be rusty. his injury was early in the season though so he has time to get better. he's been off crutches for months already. ACL is even more worrying because he is such a good runner. He is a great passer too though (18-2 td-int before he went down), so it isn't like he's a one trick pony. isn't your QB coming back from injury too? I know it isn't an ACL, but injuries can be unpredictable.

the safety we lose is a great player, but a bad cover guy. he was a LB that was moved to Safety and used to blitz. He single-handedly lost the game against utah though with his bad coverage IMO. he's a freak athlete, but we should be better against the pass at Safety (but much weaker on the run stopping by the safety).

our real strength is our linebackers and we have some good ones coming back, especially kyler fackrell. I think he is as good as bobby wagner was, and while he might not pan out like wagner has in the NFL (though he's projected to be drafted as high if not higher), he is a really really solid college guy.
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We actually don't know who the QB is. It'll be a nice spring battle.

Us getting Maggitt back is just as big as y'all getting Keeton back, IMO. Y'all did well without Keeton, we didn't have much of a pass rush without Curt.

I'm not one of the guys saying it'll be a blowout. It's going to be close, but I think UT pulls it out.
 
#606
#606
If you (UT fans) think Utah State should beat or compete with UT at Neyland then don't EVER use the "talent" excuse again to explain away the '13 season. If it is really about "Jimmy's and Joe's" then UT should have the advantage in every single aspect of the game- bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, and yes even deeper in talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you (UT fans) think Utah State should beat or compete with UT at Neyland then don't EVER use the "talent" excuse again to explain away the '13 season. If it is really about "Jimmy's and Joe's" then UT should have the advantage in every single aspect of the game- bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, and yes even deeper in talent.
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Utah State has talent where it matters. Chuckie Keeton is a damn good QB.

It will be a close game.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you (UT fans) think Utah State should beat or compete with UT at Neyland then don't EVER use the "talent" excuse again to explain away the '13 season. If it is really about "Jimmy's and Joe's" then UT should have the advantage in every single aspect of the game- bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, and yes even deeper in talent.
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The odd makers in Vegas seem to disagree.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Keeton's a stud, but he's going to be rusty coming back. I could see him struggling enough to get behind early.

Losing 3 in the secondary will hurt, considering our WR's should be much better. North, plus adding Malone and Pearson.
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If Worley can get the ball to them.....
 
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#610
sjt18 said:
If you (UT fans) think Utah State should beat or compete with UT at Neyland then don't EVER use the "talent" excuse again to explain away the '13 season. If it is really about "Jimmy's and Joe's" then UT should have the advantage in every single aspect of the game- bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, and yes even deeper in talent.
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I agree that Tennessee is likely to have more JimmyS
and Joe's. However, the majority will be Freshmen and red-shirt Freshmen and one never knows how good freshmen are until near the end of the season. Even a moron would not bet on the success of a football team which relies on freshmen and red-shirt freshmen.
 
#611
#611
We had to hold on for dear life to beat South Alabama

This is a much better team

Don't sleep on them. Our team better be ready to play
 
#613
#613
ficklez said:
I guess that explains why it wasn't close when USU played at USC (better than tennesee), Wisconsin (better than tennesee), Auburn (better than tennesee), TAMU (was about your level at the time the game was played), and oklahoma (better than tennesee). And I guess that's also why you struggled with a sunbelt team just one season ago when troy came to town.

You guys do well in your money games most of the time. But the best teams you play in these money games are sun belt teams.

Sagarin would have had USU as a 9 point favorite on a neutral field last season, and that is with our starting QB, RB, OL, WR, TE out for the year on offense. I don't think USU would win that game, but I do think it would have been closer than the blowout you seem to expect. But who knows. Maybe tennesee next year is better than defending national champs auburn or rose bowl bound wisconsin was, because USU is certainly better now than they were in those two games.

your recruiting class is impressive. your history is impressive. the stadium and the fans are impressive. even the victory over south carolina. besides those, there isn't a lot to be impressed about, and USU isn't going to be intimidated. I guarantee USU is more than 7 points better than south alabama was last year.
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1. I'm not expecting a blowout. But Tennessee will win by at least a touchdown, probably two.
2. Comparing 2012 Tennessee (vs Troy) to 2014 Tennessee? I hope that was some sort of weird joke. These teams will be nowhere close in talent or identity.
3. You act like its personal. It's not. But the honest truth is our roster is stocked in a way, even with some of the lower-tier SEC talent pulled in prior to 2013, that USU just isn't. UT, arguably, got better (in talent) this offseason while USU got worse (attrition + Keeton's injury).
4. It's good that you're confident in your team, but we've been hearing this for years. Cincy in 2011, NCSU in 12, WKU in '13. All were supposed to put us on upset alert. All were beat comfortably.
4. Make no mistake about it. Butch Jones will have the Vols ready to bring the fight to USU and keep it there for 60 minutes. You can take that to the bank.
 
#615
#615
NashVOL93 said:
1. I'm not expecting a blowout. But Tennessee will win by at least a touchdown, probably two.
2. Comparing 2012 Tennessee (vs Troy) to 2014 Tennessee? I hope that was some sort of weird joke. These teams will be nowhere close in talent or identity.
3. You act like its personal. It's not. But the honest truth is our roster is stocked in a way, even with some of the lower-tier SEC talent pulled in prior to 2013, that USU just isn't. UT, arguably, got better (in talent) this offseason while USU got worse (attrition + Keeton's injury).
4. It's good that you're confident in your team, but we've been hearing this for years. Cincy in 2011, NCSU in 12, WKU in '13. All were supposed to put us on upset alert. All were beat comfortably.
4. Make no mistake about it. Butch Jones will have the Vols ready to bring the fight to USU and keep it there for 60 minutes. You can take that to the bank.
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Utah state could have beaten 2013 Tennessee so I'm fine with Tennessee not being 2012 Tennessee too. I haven't been impressed with Tennessee. I was a big fan of Patterson because he won me a fantasy championship with those big beautiful mitts of his. But Tennessee IMO is below any money game we've played in a while.

I know you "have talent" but I've also seen what it got you. I saw wazzu, cal, Utah, and everybody else but Virginia and FCS out perform you vs Oregon. I saw a low tier sec team that causes me less apprehension than almost any BCS team and is certainly the sec team id choose to play besides Kentucky.

You can pick and choose your examples of who was supposed to compete. But I notice southern Alabama, a team in their second year of FBS, isn't on that list. Or Vanderbilt. Not a lot of teams lose by an average of 14 pts to them the last two years, if ever. I'm just saying it how it is. My confidence that usu will compete comes partially from how USU looks but mostly from how Tennessee looks. If you think the big T on the helmet somehow earns you 3 touchdowns, good. I hope the team does too. But these 3 touchdown predictions are crazy. Usu has lost 2 games in 3 years by more than 10 and they were both after keeton went down this year.

Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Utah, byu, USC, Texas AM all talked the same way when we played at their stadiums. Unfortunately usu didn't close out a single one of them. But some had fans headed to the exits early and all were within a final play. I don't think usu will win, but they have as good a shot at beating you by 10 as you have of beating usu by 21.
 
#616
#616
Tennkook said:
UTcomes through the T like... :superman: and USU come out to boos , so they :moon2: 4 quaters of :bottom: insues. End result? :td: and lots of them.

Or even more simply put.

UT= :pimp_2: USU= :boobies:
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This entertained me so much.
 
#617
#617
ficklez said:
Utah state could have beaten 2013 Tennessee so I'm fine with Tennessee not being 2012 Tennessee too. I haven't been impressed with Tennessee. I was a big fan of Patterson because he won me a fantasy championship with those big beautiful mitts of his. But Tennessee IMO is below any money game we've played in a while.

I know you "have talent" but I've also seen what it got you. I saw wazzu, cal, Utah, and everybody else but Virginia and FCS out perform you vs Oregon. I saw a low tier sec team that causes me less apprehension than almost any BCS team and is certainly the sec team id choose to play besides Kentucky.

You can pick and choose your examples of who was supposed to compete. But I notice southern Alabama, a team in their second year of FBS, isn't on that list. Or Vanderbilt. Not a lot of teams lose by an average of 14 pts to them the last two years, if ever. I'm just saying it how it is. My confidence that usu will compete comes partially from how USU looks but mostly from how Tennessee looks. If you think the big T on the helmet somehow earns you 3 touchdowns, good. I hope the team does too. But these 3 touchdown predictions are crazy. Usu has lost 2 games in 3 years by more than 10 and they were both after keeton went down this year.

Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Utah, byu, USC, Texas AM all talked the same way when we played at their stadiums. Unfortunately usu didn't close out a single one of them. But some had fans headed to the exits early and all were within a final play. I don't think usu will win, but they have as good a shot at beating you by 10 as you have of beating usu by 21.
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So what're you saying is, y'all will lose, but it'll be close

You didn't have to type out a novel to tell us that.
 
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#618
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sjt18 said:
UT should win this game and it should not be close. Jones has more talent by a large enough margin that experience should not be a major factor.
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You made two points and are half right. Talent differentials predict wins and losses with startling consistency but more frequently than you'd expect the spread of talent does not correlate with spread of score.
 
#619
#619
ficklez said:
Utah state could have beaten 2013 Tennessee so I'm fine with Tennessee not being 2012 Tennessee too. I haven't been impressed with Tennessee. I was a big fan of Patterson because he won me a fantasy championship with those big beautiful mitts of his. But Tennessee IMO is below any money game we've played in a while.

I know you "have talent" but I've also seen what it got you. I saw wazzu, cal, Utah, and everybody else but Virginia and FCS out perform you vs Oregon. I saw a low tier sec team that causes me less apprehension than almost any BCS team and is certainly the sec team id choose to play besides Kentucky.

You can pick and choose your examples of who was supposed to compete. But I notice southern Alabama, a team in their second year of FBS, isn't on that list. Or Vanderbilt. Not a lot of teams lose by an average of 14 pts to them the last two years, if ever. I'm just saying it how it is. My confidence that usu will compete comes partially from how USU looks but mostly from how Tennessee looks. If you think the big T on the helmet somehow earns you 3 touchdowns, good. I hope the team does too. But these 3 touchdown predictions are crazy. Usu has lost 2 games in 3 years by more than 10 and they were both after keeton went down this year.

Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Utah, byu, USC, Texas AM all talked the same way when we played at their stadiums. Unfortunately usu didn't close out a single one of them. But some had fans headed to the exits early and all were within a final play. I don't think usu will win, but they have as good a shot at beating you by 10 as you have of beating usu by 21.
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Fans of teams place far too much stock in the score differential. A W or L is all that matters. At the end of a game, whether you lose by 1 or 100 you will forever be infinitely far from a win.

Similarly, you should hesitate to use an argument whereby you inflate the value of your team by believing that the talent differential isn't real based off of said differential.

The team who recruits better wins more than 70% of all games played. That % is magnified when a top 25 recruiting team plays a team who recruits in the bottom half as is the case here. Can Utah State win? Yes. There is less than a 30% chance.

Just as you have over inflated Utah State's value based off of close losses, you are devaluing the talent you will see versus Tennessee based off of their losses. UTs losses came against no team in the bottom 50 of recruiting. 5 of the 7 losses came against teams who average top 25 recruiting classes. 4 of those came against teams who are top 11.

Utah State's best win came against a NIU team who, if memory serves, recruits in the 60s. In other words, Tennessee's worst loss is against teams who were vastly superior to USU's best win.
 
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ficklez said:
Utah state could have beaten 2013 Tennessee so I'm fine with Tennessee not being 2012 Tennessee too. I haven't been impressed with Tennessee. I was a big fan of Patterson because he won me a fantasy championship with those big beautiful mitts of his. But Tennessee IMO is below any money game we've played in a while.

I know you "have talent" but I've also seen what it got you. I saw wazzu, cal, Utah, and everybody else but Virginia and FCS out perform you vs Oregon. I saw a low tier sec team that causes me less apprehension than almost any BCS team and is certainly the sec team id choose to play besides Kentucky.

You can pick and choose your examples of who was supposed to compete. But I notice southern Alabama, a team in their second year of FBS, isn't on that list. Or Vanderbilt. Not a lot of teams lose by an average of 14 pts to them the last two years, if ever. I'm just saying it how it is. My confidence that usu will compete comes partially from how USU looks but mostly from how Tennessee looks. If you think the big T on the helmet somehow earns you 3 touchdowns, good. I hope the team does too. But these 3 touchdown predictions are crazy. Usu has lost 2 games in 3 years by more than 10 and they were both after keeton went down this year.

Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Utah, byu, USC, Texas AM all talked the same way when we played at their stadiums. Unfortunately usu didn't close out a single one of them. But some had fans headed to the exits early and all were within a final play. I don't think usu will win, but they have as good a shot at beating you by 10 as you have of beating usu by 21.
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I'm not really sure what your point is here. I've already said my prediction is a 1 or possibly 2-touchdown UT win, not 3. All I'm seeing here is a lot of "USU got close in a lot of big games and didn't win any of them". That's nice and all, but moral victories still don't count. Tennessee took Georgia to the wire in OT last season, but didn't win. That's still an L in the books even though UT arguably outplayed UGA in the second half of the game. Sucks, but that's football. I really think you're overreacting here - no one is underestimating U-State. This thread was literally started by a UT fan who was concerned about the game, if that tells you anything. Again, we've been seeing this every season for years. There's always a decent OOC team that's supposed to upset us and they almost never do. It's not impossible, but it is very unlikely.
 
#622
#622
ficklez said:
We return a lot of our core experience.

QB: Keeton, who was a heisman candidate and his backup who was 6-1 as a starter last year
RB: Starter is back. not a lot of depth behind him.
WR/TE: 2 starters, 4 of the 6 in the 2 deep and 7 of top 10

OL:2, maybe 3 (med redshirt) starters

DL: return 3 of the 6 who rotate, but lose 1 of our best defensive players here.

LB: 3/4 starters, 5/8 of 2-deep

CB: lose both, one to the NFL. could hurt here.

S: return 1 of the 2 starters.


So there is a lot coming back. same as most years. next year will be the bad attrition year.
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so youre losing like 10-11 guys on defense from last year whether they are starters or contributors? how is that returning the core? thats a complete new defense in 2014.And half the offense.
 
#624
#624
daj2576 said:
Fans of teams place far too much stock in the score differential. A W or L is all that matters. At the end of a game, whether you lose by 1 or 100 you will forever be infinitely far from a win.

Similarly, you should hesitate to use an argument whereby you inflate the value of your team by believing that the talent differential isn't real based off of said differential.

The team who recruits better wins more than 70% of all games played. That % is magnified when a top 25 recruiting team plays a team who recruits in the bottom half as is the case here. Can Utah State win? Yes. There is less than a 30% chance.

Just as you have over inflated Utah State's value based off of close losses, you are devaluing the talent you will see versus Tennessee based off of their losses. UTs losses came against no team in the bottom 50 of recruiting. 5 of the 7 losses came against teams who average top 25 recruiting classes. 4 of those came against teams who are top 11.

Utah State's best win came against a NIU team who, if memory serves, recruits in the 60s. In other words, Tennessee's worst loss is against teams who were vastly superior to USU's best win.
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I don't necessarily agree with this part. Look at UT last year. The team and fans felt better after the UGA loss than after the Bama loss.

IMO, UGA's injuries leveled the playing field to where they weren't a top 10 team but none-the-less they were ranked highly and favored significantly in that game. Even though UT lost, there was energy around the team.

Similar to the 2009 Bama game. UT should have won, but they didn't. I felt a bit better after the 2009 game than any Bama game since.

I see your point about simply winning if the teams are evenly matched, but when there is a talent gap the less talented team can take something from losing to a superior opponent...even though it still shows up as an L on the recordbook.
 
#625
#625
ficklez said:
Utah state could have beaten 2013 Tennessee so I'm fine with Tennessee not being 2012 Tennessee too. I haven't been impressed with Tennessee. I was a big fan of Patterson because he won me a fantasy championship with those big beautiful mitts of his. But Tennessee IMO is below any money game we've played in a while.

I know you "have talent" but I've also seen what it got you. I saw wazzu, cal, Utah, and everybody else but Virginia and FCS out perform you vs Oregon. I saw a low tier sec team that causes me less apprehension than almost any BCS team and is certainly the sec team id choose to play besides Kentucky.

You can pick and choose your examples of who was supposed to compete. But I notice southern Alabama, a team in their second year of FBS, isn't on that list. Or Vanderbilt. Not a lot of teams lose by an average of 14 pts to them the last two years, if ever. I'm just saying it how it is. My confidence that usu will compete comes partially from how USU looks but mostly from how Tennessee looks. If you think the big T on the helmet somehow earns you 3 touchdowns, good. I hope the team does too. But these 3 touchdown predictions are crazy. Usu has lost 2 games in 3 years by more than 10 and they were both after keeton went down this year.

Auburn, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Utah, byu, USC, Texas AM all talked the same way when we played at their stadiums. Unfortunately usu didn't close out a single one of them. But some had fans headed to the exits early and all were within a final play. I don't think usu will win, but they have as good a shot at beating you by 10 as you have of beating usu by 21.
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If you beat good teams like Boise St did during their reign in the moutain west, then i'd see where you're coming from, but you're not. Utah St feasts on bad teams. If you had our schedule the W-L column would be identical or worse on the Aggies part. Vols by 17.
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