UT to seek 12% tuition increase

[Midfielder10]

You didn't answer the question.

Because the answer is obvious. I can assure you that any student at UT, male or female COULD get into a greek organization if they wanted. There is a selection process, but that is why you look at more than one fraternity.

I guess the entire university shouldn't exist, since its paid for by taxpayer dollars and gets to tell certain taxpayer's children that they can't attend school there right? Guess the military shouldn't exist, not everyone can get into it, but its tax payer funded. UT only pays for the LAND the houses are on. The house itself is built by alumni. Every university in the country basically pays for fraternity/sorority housing. Some even pay 100% of the building costs.

Welcome to the 21st century, not everyone gets to participate.
You and lefty glhal's argument is ridiculous.

 

[CardassianVol]

Because the answer is obvious. I can assure you that any student at UT, male or female COULD get into a greek organization if they wanted. There is a selection process, but that is why you look at more than one fraternity.

I guess the entire university shouldn't exist, since its paid for by taxpayer dollars and gets to tell certain taxpayer's children that they can't attend school there right? Guess the military shouldn't exist, not everyone can get into it, but its tax payer funded. UT only pays for the LAND the houses are on. The house itself is built by alumni. Every university in the country basically pays for fraternity/sorority housing. Some even pay 100% of the building costs.

Welcome to the 21st century, not everyone gets to participate.
You and lefty glhal's argument is ridiculous.

Communist.
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[Ohiovol09]

Communist.
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Racist imo.... Not

 

[VolNExile]

UT can hit top-25 in terms of how hard it is to get in, but they'll have to ante up on faculty for it to mean anything. My youngest was in an honors major and graduated summa cum laude, but she didn't have a majority of full-time professors until she was a senior.

GTA's and Suitcase Simpsons don't make a university great.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

It would be interesting to look at the enrollment rates of UTC, MTSU, ETSU, and TTU over the last several years. It's getting harder and harder to get into UT, so many students are turning to the other in-state schools.

I'd rather pay 5k a year to go to UT than go to any of those for free. There is no comparison between a degree from UT and any of the other Tenn publics...

 

[SC-Vol]

I went to UTK from 74-77 and the total cost was $500 per quarter.
Tuition was $180/quarter for 12 or more hours.
Single room in Melrose plus 5-day meal plan was $180/quarter.
Books & supplies ran about $140/quarter.

Filled up my jacket pockets with burgers from Sophies for the weekends.
I had a work/study job on campus that paid $1.60/hr for 10 hours/week
Sold plasma twice a week near campus for $15/visit.
Gas was 50 cents/gal. and filled up my 68 VW beetle tank for $5.

 

[Jacques Cousteau]

UT Cost to much already

 

[Probably_in_Class]

It is absolutely the case, and the only people its win-win for is those who are allowed to participate in the Fraternity / Sorority system.

Its not win-win to buy land that gets used for subset of the student population that can choose to exclude whatever other segement of the student population they choose, using whatever criteria they choose, for the primary purpose of being a social organization.

The land purchase has a cost, a cost largely financed by tuition and state tax dollars that are available in limited amounts. You can call it an "investment" all you want, but its an investment into a subset of the student body that isn't based on any of the chartered purposes of the University. The same money "invested" by the university on the land could have been invested into land and facilities the entire student body could have used, or any other number of purposes.

Do you really want to make this argument on a football forum? You kill any shot you would have of making a valid point...

 

[CardassianVol]

I went to UTK from 74-77 and the total cost was $500 per quarter.
Tuition was $180/quarter for 12 or more hours.
Single room in Melrose plus 5-day meal plan was $180/quarter.
Books & supplies ran about $140/quarter.

Filled up my jacket pockets with burgers from Sophies for the weekends.
I had a work/study job on campus that paid $1.60/hr for 10 hours/week
Sold plasma twice a week near campus for $15/visit.
Gas was 50 cents/gal. and filled up my 68 VW beetle tank for $5.

I hate you.
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[Daddy Gee]

Historical tuition numbers

doubles every 10 years ..

last time I checked, it's about $7500/semester if you include dorm and eating on campus ..

 

[Vol Main]

Let me guess... They're doing another multimillion dollar construction deal for a project that the students don't need and do not want.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think the 2 main issues of concern are the tuition increases (the point of this thread) and how/why the new academic standards will affect football recruiting (another thread). I mean honestly, nobody of sound mind can defend the above inflation rate increases we have seen going on at universities across the country. And how could 85 guys on the football team affect the academic rating of a school with 30k+ students? I mean, could Loften or a handful more like him really be the difference between a top 100 and top 50 rating? Seriously?

You can improve the school by not price gauging and running the football team in the ground.

I can defend it. Do a discounted cash flow analysis of what an average engineer makes over the course of his career, and then compare it to the cost of a UTK education. I think that would help crystalize the issue.

A second point: the smart , hard working kids still go to school for free, right? Everyone else is just a market of consumers. The limited supply of available, paid-tuition spots and the high demand for those spots will drive up the price to an efficient level. Normally you'd be worried that college admissions should be based on merit as opposed to ability to pay, but that problem is already taken care of with the smart, hard working kids getting free tuition.

What am I missing?

 

[Ohiovol09]

Let me guess... They're doing another multimillion dollar construction deal for a project that the students don't need and do not want.

Perfect example, the new music building

 

[glhal2814]

Do you really want to make this argument on a football forum? You kill any shot you would have of making a valid point...

Yes, I do. It doesn't invalidate any point I've made at all.

 

[glhal2814]

Because the answer is obvious. I can assure you that any student at UT, male or female COULD get into a greek organization if they wanted. There is a selection process, but that is why you look at more than one fraternity.

I guess the entire university shouldn't exist, since its paid for by taxpayer dollars and gets to tell certain taxpayer's children that they can't attend school there right? Guess the military shouldn't exist, not everyone can get into it, but its tax payer funded. UT only pays for the LAND the houses are on. The house itself is built by alumni. Every university in the country basically pays for fraternity/sorority housing. Some even pay 100% of the building costs.

Welcome to the 21st century, not everyone ge ts to participate.
You and lefty glhal's argument is ridiculous.

Its entirely incorrect to describe me as lefty. It takes an extraordinary misinterpretation to take my point as such.

Your comparison between the military / univeristy and the greek system is demonstrabely invalid. Among the many differences between the military or university and the greek system is the standards and admission process for the military and the university are well defined public processes that specifically prohibit a variety of limiting unfair practices. Limiting factors are publically stated, and are generally based on measurable metrics.

The greek system uses behind the doors process that are entirely under their control that beyond gender and university enrollment are private. They can black ball anyone with no reason given. I have no problem with the greek system existing and being allowed on campus, or with the greek system using any selection criteria the so desire as a private organization including blackballing. I dont' even dislike the greek system, or its participants of either gender. I don't bear any grudge against them, their initiation system, recruiting system, or goofy T-shirts, or their right to self organize.

I do object to subsidizing that process with state provided land, particularily since no other university club system gets a similar benefit. The fact that universities around the country similarily preferentially subsidize the greek system over other campus programs as foolishly as UT does isn't an argument for a need to continue to do so. Its simply proof that the greek system gets preferential treatment above every other private organization with University ties throughout the country at the cost of taxpayers everywhere.

 

[glhal2814]

The sorority buildings are completely funded by the sororities so don't give me that.

The buildings are funded by the sororites, the land isn't. Its purchased by the university. Maintenance of the land is the universities responsibility as well.

 

[AshG]

Perfect example, the new music building

Excuse me? Not wanted?

I don't know if you've ever been in the old building or not but you speak like someone who knows nothing of life in that dump. It was a severe hindrance to the recruitment and retention of not only students but also faculty. There were multiple handicap accessibility issues, it was acoustically unsound, it was way undersized for the student capacity, and faculty had to be housed in outlying areas of campus. Several days I had to trudge away from campus proper from my instrument locker in the music building to my major professor's office on Terrace and back in the rain while carrying a $9000 piece of equipment on my back because there wasn't room for him in the building. I was one of the lucky ones; many students had to meet in a rotten building a block behind the Pilot for their individual sessions.

Thank goodness which buildings get renovated isn't up to populist vote.

 

[DynamiteMcGhee]

Excuse me? Not wanted?

I don't know if you've ever been in the old building or not but you speak like someone who knows nothing of life in that dump. It was a severe hindrance to the recruitment and retention of not only students but also faculty. There were multiple handicap accessibility issues, it was acoustically unsound, it was way undersized for the student capacity, and faculty had to be housed in outlying areas of campus. Several days I had to trudge away from campus proper from my instrument locker in the music building to my major professor's office on Terrace and back in the rain while carrying a $9000 piece of equipment on my back because there wasn't room for him in the building. I was one of the lucky ones; many students had to meet in a rotten building a block behind the Pilot for their individual sessions.

Thank goodness which buildings get renovated isn't up to populist vote.

This x1000 and maybe some more. I spent my first couple of years as a music major and won't hesitate to call the old music building a crumbling heap. That building was past due for demolition and expansion. The Pride was no longer fitting in the band room and the music majors were no longer fitting in the rest of the building. The practice rooms were cramped and poorly ventilated. The heat and AC never worked properly and the elevator was a 911 call waiting to happen. Faculty offices were cramped due to the combination of desks, instruments, and literature pertaining to that particular instrument and they still had to hold lessons and small ensemble rehearsals in those things. The music library was not for the claustrophobic. Better hope someone didn't need to go down the same aisle you did, or you were rubbing on them. I surely hope some of you who view the new music building as unnecessary aren't the same people who complain about the quality of the Pride of the Southland Band, because the new building will do nothing but help to improve the Pride and pretty much every music program at UT and the music students who will eventually walk through its doors.

 

[Sikerth]

They're probably jealous of Memphis' new UC. It's actually pretty legit. Granted, a commuter college like Memphis benefits more from a centralized 'hang-out' than one where everyone lives right on or near campus.

 

[Brewerw]

Its entirely incorrect to describe me as lefty. It takes an extraordinary misinterpretation to take my point as such.

Your comparison between the military / univeristy and the greek system is demonstrabely invalid. Among the many differences between the military or university and the greek system is the standards and admission process for the military and the university are well defined public processes that specifically prohibit a variety of limiting unfair practices. Limiting factors are publically stated, and are generally based on measurable metrics.

The greek system uses behind the doors process that are entirely under their control that beyond gender and university enrollment are private. They can black ball anyone with no reason given. I have no problem with the greek system existing and being allowed on campus, or with the greek system using any selection criteria the so desire as a private organization including blackballing. I dont' even dislike the greek system, or its participants of either gender. I don't bear any grudge against them, their initiation system, recruiting system, or goofy T-shirts, or their right to self organize.

I do object to subsidizing that process with state provided land, particularily since no other university club system gets a similar benefit. The fact that universities around the country similarily preferentially subsidize the greek system over other campus programs as foolishly as UT does isn't an argument for a need to continue to do so. Its simply proof that the greek system gets preferential treatment above every other private organization with University ties throughout the country at the cost of taxpayers everywhere.

I'm in the Greek system and agree wholeheartedly.
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[utvolpj]

I do object to subsidizing that process with state provided land, particularily since no other university club system gets a similar benefit.

Aren't there were other groups on campus that get the same (like the Wesley Foundation)?

also thought the fraternities pay the univ for use of the land.

 

[Daddy Gee]

$130 million UCs and $27,000 raises for chancellors .. where does all that extra money come from?? opcorn:

Chancellor Jimmy Cheek, University of Tennessee employees slated for pay raises Knoxville News Sentinel

University of Tennessee Knoxville Chancellor Jimmy Cheek is slated to earn a $27,600 boost in pay, and all UT employees will be eligible for a raise as well, should trustees approve the proposed budget today....

Cheek will get an 8 percent raise, including a cost-of-living raise, which is in line with what's available for all employees in Knoxville, said system President Joe DiPietro. If approved, Cheek will earn $372,600.

 

[Midfielder10]

The buildings are funded by the sororites, the land isn't. Its purchased by the university. Maintenance of the land is the universities responsibility as well.

You act like this is some giant expenditure. It's land. They bought the land under the current fraternity row for nickels back in the 1920s and 30s. The only thing UT ever does for "maintenance" is cut the grass once every two weeks and trim or cut down trees once a year. We have to do our own landscaping and cleanup of our parking lots, back yards etc. despite it being "university owned". On gamedays, people not affiliated with different fraternities litter in yards, leave bottles broken in parking lots etc. Fiji island is one of the most popular tailgate spots on all of campus, so is the land in front of ATO,Sigma Chi and Pike.

And about sororities, UT had to do something for them because they helped out fraternities. It wouldnt be fair otherwise. The only reason it wasnt done before was because of an outdated Knoxville law making it illegal for something like 7+women to live together, or else it was a whore house.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

I do object to subsidizing that process with state provided land, particularily since no other university club system gets a similar benefit. The fact that universities around the country similarily preferentially subsidize the greek system over other campus programs as foolishly as UT does isn't an argument for a need to continue to do so. Its simply proof that the greek system gets preferential treatment above every other private organization with University ties throughout the country at the cost of taxpayers everywhere.

Frat houses used to own the land where Humanities is now. They owned that land since pre civil war. That land was donated by the frats to the university in exchange for land where the current frat row is

 

[utvolpj]

And about sororities, UT had to do something for them because they helped out fraternities. It wouldnt be fair otherwise. The only reason it wasnt done before was because of an outdated Knoxville law making it illegal for something like 7+women to live together, or else it was a whore house.

actually I believe it was based on limits from the woman who donated Panhellenic