UT in negotiations with Kippy Brown

#51
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UT IE 95 said:
There are far worse options out there than Brown. If this works out it'll be a wait-n-see.

As for bringing Sanders back as the QB coach - that is actually a great move. Randy was a solid position coach. For those that think Randy was some kind of scape goat - get over it. He was not. He failed miserably at being an OC at UT. Most Head Coaches in college and the NFL have a hand in game day play calling - why do you think they wear a headset and carry the laminated play chart? Randy's problem was the offense was unprepared to run the plays being called. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the OC. The offense was a complete mess was the reason Randy left, not because Fulmer was calling plays.
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Thank you.............You mean preparation and execution may have something to do with whether or not an offense is successful? All offensive failures are not due to poor playcalling?
 
#52
#52
Cartervol said:
Randy should have never been given the OC job. Who's fault is that?
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Randy earned the right to get a promotion to OC. Bad promotions are made. Without the foresight of fortune tellers, oracles, and wizards, it happens.

I've said it all along, Fulmer's fault was letting it get as bad as it did.
 
#53
#53
holdemvol said:
Thank you.............You mean preparation and execution may have something to do with whether or not an offense is successful? All offensive failures are not due to poor playcalling?
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Preparation and execution are paramount to success.
 
#55
#55
Having a qb without a hurt shoulder and pinky and not being scared when someone breathe's on him is paramount to success.
 
#57
#57
GAVol said:
I'm not even really advocating Kippy Brown. I just find it a little dishonest to pretend like he lost his job due to incompetence in an effort to discredit the man.
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Whatever the reason, the fact is that nobody else has given him another shot in 8 years now. I never said he was incompetent. I said he was an OC one year and a position coach the next (that is a demotion in most people's eyes). He did not make a lateral move or move up when he left the Dolphins staff. I know that Kippy is not your first choice just as he is not mine. If Phil hires your first choice I'll be happy as a clam. :)
 
#58
#58
SO who is yall's first choice??
who would You guys want to see as our next OC???
just your opinions
 
#59
#59
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Whatever the reason, the fact is that nobody else has given him another shot in 8 years now. I never said he was incompetent. I said he was an OC one year and a position coach the next (that is a demotion in most people's eyes). He did not make a lateral move or move up when he left the Dolphins staff. I know that Kippy is not your first choice just as he is not mine. If Phil hires your first choice I'll be happy as a clam. :)
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I'am assuming chris hatcher is the first choice. Come on hillbilly its phil were talking about.
 
#60
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jwells said:
Don't use facts. These guys hate facts. In the world of make-believe everything is far far worse than in reality. In the world of make-believe Foster has fumbled 1000 times, CPF magically calls every offensive play, is the strength coach, singlehandedly prevents us from going to the grand and glorious spread option, is trying to sabotage the UT program before he leaves, and doesn't know anything about football! Why ruin all that with facts?
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Speaking of blowing everything out of proportion and thinking things are far worse than reality, see every post by hatvol.
 
#61
#61
Phil could make Kippy Brown the best OC in the SEC (he won't make it on his own), and he will!
 
#62
#62
TnBasketballFan said:
Go look at my posts from last week, I told you guys the announcement:rock: will be made on wensday, Hes already taken it he will be here
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Not to discredit what you're claiming, but it's been reported that Frank Cignetti will be in Knoxville on the 2nd (Wednesday) and the 3rd (Thursday) to interview for the job. If Phil is going to announce Kippy as the new OC on Wednesday, why would he fly Frank Cignetti in to interview on the same day?
 
#64
#64
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Whatever the reason, the fact is that nobody else has given him another shot in 8 years now. I never said he was incompetent. I said he was an OC one year and a position coach the next (that is a demotion in most people's eyes). He did not make a lateral move or move up when he left the Dolphins staff. I know that Kippy is not your first choice just as he is not mine. If Phil hires your first choice I'll be happy as a clam. :)
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You really are not giving KB a fair shake in describing his career. I've posted in response to your posts a few times now, but you keep posting the same thing in other threads.

Jimmy Johnson hired KB as his OC at Miami. A year later, CJJ retired and KB was without a job as OC. He wasn't fired for incompetence. That's strictly circumstantial.

Now, the fact that KB was able to easily get another job as an NFL position coach is to his credit. It was not a demotion or an indicator that he failed.

Two years later, he was a Head Coach for the XFL. Criticize the XFL all you want in hindsight, but it's hard to blame the man for taking a HC position in his home state of Tennessee (Memphis). Memphis has wanted a pro football team for a long time and I'm sure KB thought the XFL was going to work out. It didn't. But you can't say with any credibility that he has NEVER been offered anything but a job as a position coach since his time as an OC at Miami, because it is not true. He's been paid well for his services and if money is any barometer of a coach's worth, he has a strong record.

Now, after the XFL failed, his skills as a position coach are legendary, so there's no surprise that he's always been able to find work in the NFL as a position coach. Additionally, he interviewed for a Head Coaching position in the NFL in January 2006.

Now, give the man a break! He would be an excellent OC or position coach at UT. He doesn't need to go to Division 1-AA to prove that.
 
#65
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One more thought on KB's time as an OC at Miami...

The Phins wanted to take some of the pressure off of their passing game and install a more run-oriented offense. That strategy was not KB's, but was Jimmy Johnson's. Therefore, success or failure during that one year as OC is a shared responsibility. It wasn't all KB.

However, a year as OC in the NFL is excellent experience, IMO. That is one serious football league with an extremely steep learning curve. The margin for error is much smaller than it is at UT or in the SEC. Ask Saban or Spurrier.
 
#66
#66
GVF said:
I live in the area, and recruiting for Clemson is not exceptionally easy.
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That isn't what I said. I said their situation was better and it is. I did not say they always did a better job. According to Rivals, the top 10 players in SC are 4* or better. Only the top 3 in Tn are... and Tn has a significantly larger population.

2007 was a comparatively great recruiting year in Tn... and their top 10 were 4* or better... same as SC that year. In 2006, only the top 3 in Tn were 4* or better- top 7 in SC.

SC probably produces more FBS prospects per capita than any state except maybe La.

James Davis is a guy they pulled from ATL but they don't appear to get as many GA players as they used to. However they've done better in FL since Bowden arrived.
 
#67
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UT IE 95 said:
Randy earned the right to get a promotion to OC. Bad promotions are made. Without the foresight of fortune tellers, oracles, and wizards, it happens.

I've said it all along, Fulmer's fault was letting it get as bad as it did.
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Couldnt of said it better myself... well... I could have but it would have been reeeeeeeally hard. Why go back to something you know is not going to work. I can go with Kippy, but if he gets anywhere near the 2005 #'s... I'm gonna be the 1st one in Vol Nation to start yelling.


Nope.... that last statement is false too... there are some negaVols that are going to want to fire him before this Spring I'm sure... I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope he can do well.
 
#68
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
... but I didn't really expect Phil to make a good choice anyway.
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And I'm sure that no one here expected you to approve of any decision CPF made either.

I have no idea how Kippy Brown might do and you don't either since he's never been a college OC.

I DON'T think UT should try to bring another college OC in, do you? If they don't, KB is about as good as it gets recruiting, right?

My preference is Marrone between the two but he may not be available.
 
#69
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sjt18 said:
And I'm sure that no one here expected you to approve of any decision CPF made either.

I have no idea how Kippy Brown might do and you don't either since he's never been a college OC.

I DON'T think UT should try to bring another college OC in, do you? If they don't, KB is about as good as it gets recruiting, right?

My preference is Marrone between the two but he may not be available.
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It's hard to argue against that choice.
 
#70
#70
hi everyone i'm a newb to vol nation hell i'm a newb to all sports forums but i have been on here reading alot of the post here about the OC search and i would like to chime in being from monroe county i know a little about kippy brown i'm 46 yrs. old and i have seen alot of football in my time from grasscutters to the pros and have witnessed many college and pro games up close and i can say one thing KB was one of the most intimidating players with a football in his hands as anyone i have ever saw he literally punished people who tryed to tackle him and was country strong he has been around football longer than most of the people on this board have been alive look at his resume he would be a great canidate for the head coaching job let alone the oc and i welcome him with open arms he is going to be a great addition to the university of tennessee and i don't know how anyone could think different just my $.02
 
#72
#72
If KB can recruit the Memphis area that would be a huge plus.

Does anyone know if he has good tie ins to other areas.
 
#73
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sjt18 said:
If KB can recruit the Memphis area that would be a huge plus.

Does anyone know if he has good tie ins to other areas.
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He has a lot of ties to the NFL.

So, on the off chance some HS recruit who the Vols want has an interest in playing pro ball someday, KB can be persuasive. That's a national recruiting draw, much like the one UT requires now to compete for championships, IMO.

Your point about Memphis is highly relevant. In spite of national recruiting success, the Vols have always needed help with Memphis. Go figure, huh?
 
#74
#74
One thing I will say about Kippy Brown . . . He's probably seen defenses do more things on film than all of the college coordinators that we will interview combined.
 
#75
#75
The only problem I have with this hire (if these reports are even true) is the promise of thorough coaching search from Phil. He said the same thing after 2005. We all know how thorough that search was. I really hope he didn't make a hire this quickly. If so, this search was absolutely not thorough.
 
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