UT in negotiations with Kippy Brown

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That is all hypothetical and, even if that happened, it doesn't mean that CPF would give Sanders another chance. Either way, CPF may be gone before our future OC leaves.
 
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CovVol said:
What would happen if our future OC left? The only one with OC experience left on the staff would be RS. You fill in the rest.
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Truth is, RS is not as bad as some would propose. I, for one, thought he was alot better than given the opportunity to be. He was never given control of the offense or play calling. Phil kept his thumb on him and made alot of the decisions. He may not be the man for OC at UT, but he's not a bad coach either. Just my opinion.
 
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If I'm Randy Sanders, I never come back to UT. I mean ... how can he come back?!? He basically got run out of here as the OC, and now he should come back as the QB coach?? That's like getting fired from the manager's position at McDonald's, but then coming back when they say you can be the fry guy.
 
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hvwarrior58 said:
That is all hypothetical and, even if that happened, it doesn't mean that CPF would give Sanders another chance. Either way, CPF may be gone before our future OC leaves.
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True... but I think everyone has learned their lesson. He simply didnt get the job done while he was here. No need to make the mistake for a 2nd time.
 
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AmoebaVol said:
If I'm Randy Sanders, I never come back to UT. I mean ... how can he come back?!? He basically got run out of here as the OC, and now he should come back as the QB coach?? That's like getting fired from the manager's position at McDonald's, but then coming back when they say you can be the fry guy.
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He would come back to pave his way for a HC somewhere. Same as CUT. Everyone knew CUT was only a 2-3 year deal anyway. He did too good at Miss. not to use us to get back into HC.
 
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GVF said:
He would come back to pave his way for a HC somewhere. Same as CUT. Everyone knew CUT was only a 2-3 year deal anyway. He did too good at Miss. not to use us to get back into HC.
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Yeah, but Cut left to take a HC job a Ole Miss. Sanders "resigned" without a job and ended up taking a QB coaches job at KY. Big difference.

If Sanders is good enough to coach at UT, then he's good enough to coach other places. If I'm him, I wouldn't come back here -- if only because of my pride.
 
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AmoebaVol said:
Yeah, but Cut left to take a HC job a Ole Miss. Sanders "resigned" without a job and ended up taking a QB coaches job at KY. Big difference.

If Sanders is good enough to coach at UT, then he's good enough to coach other places. If I'm him, I wouldn't come back here -- if only because of my pride.
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I don't see him coming back. I liked him. Apparently UK gave him more leeway and he produced, even if it is just a position coach. He was scapegoated too bad to return here for any job.
 
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GVF said:
I don't see him coming back. I liked him. Apparently UK gave him more leeway and he produced, even if it is just a position coach. He was scapegoated too bad to return here for any job.
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Yeah, I'm not saying I don't like him. I think he was hamstrung too much here. He was a huge scapegoat, and (if he wants to move up in the coaching ranks) he'd be better off somewhere other than UT.

I will say we were substantially more disciplined when he left and Cut came in. It's remarkable how few offensive penalties we've had this year.
 
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He did get the job done, when he was a positions coach(both QB and RB). That is what we would be bringing him in for.
 
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GVF said:
Considering how we do against good D's, that's not a measuring stick. Spence, and Clemson as a whole, do pretty good for their location in the recruiting grounds.
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Clemson's recruiting situation is at least as good as UT's and probably better. They have a long history and alot of pipelines into NC and GA plus the good players they draw in SC.

CPF is a better recruiter than anyone Clemson's had during his tenure.
 
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whats kippy's rep as a recruiter? and is it a definite that that his brother, gerald, comes with him from indiana?
 
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I've heard persistent accusations that CPF didn't let him control the offense. The evidence suggests that he ran a very undisciplined unit and never deserved trust.

People change and mature. He may eventually be a great coordinator. His chemistry with CPF was definitely not productive.

He was a very good position coach though... and I'd get out of UK if I were him too.
 
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sjt18 said:
Clemson's recruiting situation is at least as good as UT's and probably better. They have a long history and alot of pipelines into NC and GA plus the good players they draw in SC.

CPF is a better recruiter than anyone Clemson's had during his tenure.
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I live in the area, and recruiting for Clemson is not exceptionally easy. UT comes this way heavily. They only get Georgia recruits that get left out by UGA and Auburn. There are not any 4A or 5A schools in this area that would geographically lean to Clemson outside of Augusta. Most 3A players around here are small school recruits save for the occasional standout. Our biggest recruit of late was a LB that went to FSU. They also draw alot of GA players. SC does not produce many top rated recruits, same as Tenn., so they have to go out and compete in the loaded areas like everyone else. The top players around Charlotte generally bypass Clemson. Most top rated SC recruits leave the state period. SS is slowly changing that. True Clemson does not employ a heavy weight recruiter. All the more reason it is a pretty good coaching staff all things considered, to do what they do. Since I do not often get a chance to make UT home games, Clemson home games are quite electrifying if you just enjoy going to watch college football. UT is my team, but I enjoy going to football games when I can around here just to go. Clemson is better than UGA IMO when it comes to home game atmosphere.
 
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If you believe Randy Sanders is coming back here to coach, then I've got some good land for sale to show you.
 
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Go look at my posts from last week, I told you guys the announcement:rock: will be made on wensday, Hes already taken it he will be here
 
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GAVol said:
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I think we could do a lot worse than bringing in a guy we already know who has NFL coordinator experience.
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He has one year experience almost a decade ago, was quickly demoted and has not been offered a similar gig since that time. I honestly think that if Kippy did not have UTK ties only a very few people would be supporting him as a candidate based solely on his career experience. Add in the fact that he has not recruited in 15 years and I am worried. I think this is a bad choice, if in fact Kippy is the next OC, but I didn't really expect Phil to make a good choice anyway. The cabal of inbred good old boys on the Hill must be very happy.
 
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UT should throw big money at UF's OC, Dan Mullen, who can put in the spread, recruit, etc. Kippy Brown? Not a top player.
 
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The randy sanders fiasco just shows how much of a micromanager phil is. It will be the same for whoever comes in here. Phil needs to check his oversized ego at the door and get some guys in here that can help tennessee get back to being tennessee.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
He has one year experience almost a decade ago, was quickly demoted
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I really don't think that is correct. I think Jimmy Johnson employed him as his Offensive Coordinator in Miami and then he left when Jimmy Johnson left and went to Green Bay. It wasn't a matter of demotion. It was a coaching change.

...not that I think that will change your quest to make any decision by CPF look as bad as possible.
 
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Cartervol said:
The randy sanders fiasco just shows how much of a micromanager phil is. It will be the same for whoever comes in here. Phil needs to check his oversized ego at the door and get some guys in here that can help tennessee get back to being tennessee.
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But the 9-4 seasons keep getting him pay raises and extensions. When will UT get back to national prominance? Who knows. CPF needs to go after some new blood instead of all this good ol boy stuff. The only reason Spence was probably interviewed was to say we interviewed someone outside the tree.
 
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GAVol said:
I really don't think that is correct. I think Jimmy Johnson employed him as his Offensive Coordinator in Miami and then he left when Jimmy Johnson left and went to Green Bay. It wasn't a matter of demotion. It was a coaching change.

...not that I think that will change your quest to make any decision by CPF look as bad as possible.
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Don't use facts. These guys hate facts. In the world of make-believe everything is far far worse than in reality. In the world of make-believe Foster has fumbled 1000 times, CPF magically calls every offensive play, is the strength coach, singlehandedly prevents us from going to the grand and glorious spread option, is trying to sabotage the UT program before he leaves, and doesn't know anything about football! Why ruin all that with facts?
 
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I'm not even really advocating Kippy Brown. I just find it a little dishonest to pretend like he lost his job due to incompetence in an effort to discredit the man.
 
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There are far worse options out there than Brown. If this works out it'll be a wait-n-see.

As for bringing Sanders back as the QB coach - that is actually a great move. Randy was a solid position coach. For those that think Randy was some kind of scape goat - get over it. He was not. He failed miserably at being an OC at UT. Most Head Coaches in college and the NFL have a hand in game day play calling - why do you think they wear a headset and carry the laminated play chart? Randy's problem was the offense was unprepared to run the plays being called. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the OC. The offense was a complete mess was the reason Randy left, not because Fulmer was calling plays.
 
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jwells said:
Don't use facts. These guys hate facts. In the world of make-believe everything is far far worse than in reality. In the world of make-believe Foster has fumbled 1000 times, CPF magically calls every offensive play, is the strength coach, singlehandedly prevents us from going to the grand and glorious spread option, is trying to sabotage the UT program before he leaves, and doesn't know anything about football! Why ruin all that with facts?
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since you're all about the facts, those most irrefutable are the record over the past nine seasons and the lack of championships over the same time span. couch it as you wish, but Fulmer has had a minor hand in that, I'd say.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
There are far worse options out there than Brown. If this works out it'll be a wait-n-see.

As for bringing Sanders back as the QB coach - that is actually a great move. Randy was a solid position coach. For those that think Randy was some kind of scape goat - get over it. He was not. He failed miserably at being an OC at UT. Most Head Coaches in college and the NFL have a hand in game day play calling - why do you think they wear a headset and carry the laminated play chart? Randy's problem was the offense was unprepared to run the plays being called. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the OC. The offense was a complete mess was the reason Randy left, not because Fulmer was calling plays.
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Randy should have never been given the OC job. Who's fault is that?
 
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