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Heh, well, here are the other three:


If you're up for those, more power to you. I'd buy the 4-championship banner, myself. :)
hell Alabama has been claiming any national title anyone would give, retroactiver or not.

if the sewing soceity of Montogomery put out a poll with Bama #1, they hung a banner........lol.
 
I guess it all depends on the definition used. Auburn 2 NC's ('57-'10)
Georgia 2 NC's ('42-'80)
Texas 4 NC's ('65,'69,'70, '05)

Yes, I think it absolutely depends on definition.

When I say "championship program" I mean those who have one at least one or two national championships, but also several conference titles. Each reinforces the other, so to speak. *good*
 
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Enjoy and relax boys. Tennessee is good not elite. Enjoy the games and don't kick the dog every time some kid says no in recruiting. It will be fine.

Heh. You are a sad and pitiful troll.

I asked a week or two ago, but you never answered...IknoxvolI, is that you?
 
Sorry, geeked out on demographics there for a minute. Heh.

Suffice it to say, Notre Dame is losing its national brand, and it's only going to get worse for them in coming years & decades.
No apologies necessary. Demographics explain way more things than you'd think.
 
TENNESSEE DOES NOT HAVE 6 NATIONAL TITLES. YOU SOUND LIKE SOME ALABAMA FANS. THE CONSENSUS THAT IS RECOGNIZED BY REAL FOOTBALL PEOPLE IS AP, UPI, USA TODAY, BCS, COACHES POLL AND NOW CFP. TENNESSEE HAS 2. AND THE 1951 IS REALLY A JOKE AS THEY PLAYED ONE SCHOOL (KENTUCKY #17) THAT FINISHED IN THE POST SEASON TOP 20 AND LOST THE BOWL GAME TO MARYLAND. IF NOTRE DAME COUNTED THE WAY TENNESSEE DID THEY WOULD HAVE ABOUT 30+. STOP WITH THE NONSENSE.
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Usually when a team wins a natty the school celebrates such an accomplishment. You didn't get that from UT in 1968 following the '67 season.

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That's because Mr. Litkenhous was the only one who knew he declared Tennessee the national champs for about a month and a half, probably. In those pre-internet days, you were only as smart as your local newspaper. How many papers carried Litkenhous's standings, I wonder. :)
 
That's because Mr. Litkenhous was the only one who knew he declared Tennessee the national champs for about a month and a half, probably. In those pre-internet days, you were only as smart as your local newspaper. How many papers carried Litkenhous's standings, I wonder. :)

I wonder how many other schools claim Litkenhous titles.

And it sort of proves the "retro-active claiming" of that NC. It wasn't acknowledged at the time and somehow 50 years later it was celebrated in Neyland.
 
The mistakes started with Hamilton as AD. Then they mushroomed after he fired Fulmer and brought in a coach with no SEC history. He bolted. Then Dooley, probably because of his name and genes. Then it was Butchie. Another coach with no SEC history. He never probably saw a SEC game except on TV. He was a joke....Jeremy is an SEC child. He was born and bred into the SEC and if we give him a little time he will bring us back like we were. Fulmer needs to just stay out of it. Support JP and let him chose his coaches, change them when he needs to and recruit some quality players. Fans will support this if they see results. Saturday will be the last Auburn/Tennessee game I will attend. Been going to them since the 50s. Only missed one or two. (My husband went to Auburn so we have a fun day planned.) Let's support JP and the team and not be negative so soon.
 
I wonder how many other schools claim Litkenhous titles.

And it sort of proves the "retro-active claiming" of that NC. It wasn't acknowledged at the time and somehow 50 years later it was celebrated in Neyland.

It's a slippery slope, and there's no right answer.

If a nationally recognized poll or system (and Litkenhous apparently was one...still is, I guess) proclaims a team national champs, then they get to claim part of a split championship.

The more polls and systems that name a team, the stronger their argument.

If a team has more polls and systems naming them than anyone else has, I would say they have the strongest claim. But not the only valid claim.

Split national championships were a reality of life up until the BCS era began (and we've had a few even since then). It's no biggie to be one of two or three teams with an equal claim (like us and Oklahoma in 1950, or us, Maryland and Michigan State in 1951). All those teams can fairly and legitimately celebrate a championship.

ESPN isn't automatically right. Just because that network decided they would single out the AP poll winner as THE national champ each year from 1936 on, that doesn't mean their perspective is any more valid than any other.

And yes, it's a little silly to celebrate a national championship that no one but you yourself claim (UCF in 2018) or one where just a single outlier named your team (Tennessee in 1967), but that doesn't make it wrong. Just weaker than the more substantive claims.

Any Vol fan who celebrates anything from 2 to 7 championships, is right. Because she or he gets to decide what the threshold is for him/herself.

I personally go with 4. *shrug*
 
JP. great post.

UGA won the Litkenhous NC in '68 and I don't think they claim it. Several polls claimed Auburn as the champs in '83 as well as UF in '84.

To each their own, I guess.
 
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I think were close to being competitive as soon as we get the offense geared up with players that put some points on the board. The defense is young and looking better every week. We need Offensive linemen that can play immediately. This seems to be the one position of the team that is holding the entire team back from moving to another level.
 
By the way: Bama, powerhouse that they are these days, had a 62% win rate in the 2000-2009 decade. And that's if you give them credit for vacated wins. If you take into account what a dirty, cheating program they were, their 2000s win rate was 55%.

Oh, you say, that's a single-decade anomaly. But it's not. In the 1990s (1990-1999), their win rate was 67%.

Point is, all programs have up periods and down periods. Even decade-long ups and downs. Tennessee's best years were with Neyland and Fulmer. Bama's best years were with Bryant and Saban. They're up right now, and we're down.

This too shall pass.

Excellent point. The Saban years are truly an aberration. Oklahoma had one during the scandalous, Switzer years as did Nebraska with Osborne, Miami with Johnson, etc. All of those successes have then had some down periods to average things out (look at Neb, now).

A long term high 60's would make most fans happy except for a modern fly in the ointment- the playoffs. No longer is a ten win, New Year's Day bowl a great season. I know that 10 wins and a bowl would be a thrill for us now, but then dissatisfaction with no playoffs would set in and here we go again. Look at the record that got Richt fired a UGA. I fear we have entered a era of near unattainable expectation.
 
The Minnesota/Tennessee comparisons are laughable. Minnesota lost support from school administrators in the 1970's, and it was all down hill from there. Additional aspects that contributed to the free-fall include: Minnesota being located in a frozen wasteland devoid of adequate recruits, the university being located in a sizable city with a plethora of other events to go to (hampering game day attendance), absolutely awful facilities, and several years playing games in the off campus Metrodome (RIP) which had a terrible game day atmosphere.

Tennessee has none of these issues. You all are just having some down years. To put things in perspective a bit, Alabama had a rough stretch too. In fact, Minnesota beat Bama as recently as the 2004 Music City Bowl.

Speaking of Bama, give them hell this weekend.
 
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