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Tennessee winning %

1950-1959 0.69159
1960-1969 0.66667
1970-1979 0.65385
1980-1989 0.66807 (By far the Major's best years)
1990-1999 0.81301
2000-2009 0.65354 (Thanks Mike Hamilton as already documented on here)
2010- Present 0.50000

2000-2008 0.66667 (The worst of the Fulmer era is about the same as the best of the Majors era.

Source: Win percentage computation form


Fact is, the old days are just not apples to apples to now. But if you looked at winning % only, Tennessee is about a top 15 program in that measurement. Nothing elite just pretty good.
 
An 8-4 average masks the peak seasons. But those peaks are there.

This is a championship program. So we're gonna hold out for the guy who can get us back to summiting, at least once in a while.

Is it Jeremy? I hope so. But we just don't know yet.
Championship program?? LOL!! Based on what?? The two National titles and one of those was a joke??
 
Championship program?? LOL!! Based on what?? The two National titles and one of those was a joke??

You meant to say "seven and three were jokes," because I assure you the other four national titles stand on very solid footing.
 
thinking about getting that wool banner for my sports room...i like it. if they made one showing 7, i'd probably get that one... @VFL-82-JP you should make that happen.
 
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Championship program?? LOL!! Based on what?? The two National titles and one of those was a joke??
Maybe "Championship" program is an overstatement.......but a solid top 15-20 historic program is obvious.
Similar to Georgia, Auburn, and Texas
 
thinking about getting that wool banner for my sports room...i like it. if they made one showing 7, i'd probably get that one... @VFL-82-JP you should make that happen.
Heh, well, here are the other three:

AND THREE THAT ARE LESS SOLID:

1940 - A couple of scoring systems, Dunkel and Williamson, named 10-1 Tennessee. But the AP and nine other polls/systems all picked 8-0 Minnesota.

1956 - Only the Sagarin Ratings retrospectively chose 10-1 Tennessee; the API, UPI and most other systems that existed at the time gave the nod to 10-0 Oklahoma.

1967 - The Litkenhous system (who? yeah, I know) named 9-2 Tennessee #1. Just them. The AP, UPI, and just about everyone else went with 10-1 USC.
If you're up for those, more power to you. I'd buy the 4-championship banner, myself. :)
 
Maybe "Championship" program is an overstatement.......but a solid top 15-20 historic program is obvious.
Similar to Georgia, Auburn, and Texas

Georgia, Auburn, and Texas are championship programs, as well.

Not today, at least not Auburn or Texas. But looking at the programs over their lifetimes, absolutely all three of those are, like Tennessee, championship programs.

We get too caught up in a "what have you done for me today" world where only Bama, Clemson, Ohio State and A Fourth To Be Named are worthy of adulation.

The world is bigger than that, history is longer, and our eyes should see farther.
 
Georgia, Auburn, and Texas are championship programs, as well.

Not today, at least not Auburn or Texas. But looking at the programs over their lifetimes, absolutely all three of those are, like Tennessee, championship programs.

We get too caught up in a "what have you done for me today" world where only Bama, Clemson, Ohio State and A Fourth To Be Named are worthy of adulation.

The world is bigger than that, history is longer, and our eyes should see farther.
I guess it all depends on the definition used. Auburn 2 NC's ('57-'10)
Georgia 2 NC's ('42-'80)
Texas 4 NC's ('65,'69,'70, '05)
 
Tennessee has won 10 or more games 20 times in 121 or so years. 9 of those where under Fulmer. Yes, they used to play 10 or 11 games. Most of Fulmer's years they played 11 regular season games.

13 SEC Titles. Before 1992, it was based on record. So they actually had ties that each school counted. Fulmer had 2 outright. Had they counted them the same way they did prior to 1992, Fulmer would have had 4 more SEC Titles or 6 total.

In 121 years, Tennessee had, as counted by the same method as most programs, 2 National Titles. Not 6 or whatever.

1938 - CFRA, Dunkel, Billingsley, CFI, Litkenhous, Boand, Houlgate, Poling, NSFR, Frye, Massy, Koger, McCarty, Libby, Maxwell, Sagarin, Howell (No AP etc) TCU was the actual winner.
1940 - Dunkel, Williamson. Minnesota is the actual Champion.
1950 - National Championship Foundation, Billingley, CFRA, Massy, Dunkel, DeVold, CFI, Frye, Fleming System, Howell, Maxwell, Sorensen. Oklahoma actual champion.
1951 - AP, UPI. Tennessee is the National Champs! Despite losing to Maryland in the bowl game AND only playing one team ranked in the postseason Top 20.
1967 - Litkenhous. Actually USC is the consensus.
1998 - AP, USAToday/ESPN, BCS. The only undisputed, consensus National Title in school history!!

Now the truth is the 1950 team probably got robbed but they are still not National Champs. It averages out as the 1951 team should not have won but because the voters felt that they where robbed in 1950, they voted them in 1951. Either way, 2 is the number.

Prior to Fulmer, Tennessee had 2 NFL Hall of Famers. During the Fulmer era there will have more.
Peyton, Witten. Lewis would have except for his off the filed issues. Eric Berry should be. Jerod Mayo was a lock before he was injured. John Henderson was also close. Either way, there will be more from the 16 years Fulmer era then the entire Tennessee history.


And finally, there is a big difference between the old days and modern football. First the crowds. Tennessee played in front of about 20K most of Neyland's time. No TV. No radio until the 1949. Few actually cared. The biggest change was integration. That changed the game completely. Plus Tennessee's schedule back in the old days was a joke. In fact, Tennessee had a standing agreement with Chattanooga to play the week before the Alabama game and for Chattanooga to run the Alabama plays. This happened many seasons. They also played Maryville College, Emory & Henry, Carson Newman, Tennessee Tech and a host of dogs. What would Neyland's winning % be if he didn't play such a joke of a schedule?? So comparing what Neyland did to any modern day coach is laughable. If you take out all of the Maryville Colleges and Carson Newmans, his winning % would take a serious hit. Plus the SEC did not become the truly dominant conference until later. Just because fans cared, that didn't equate to non conference wins.


Hey guys, try enjoying the games and stop whining. Tennessee is not an elite program that is entitled to some 10 win seasons every year. They do not have anywhere near the recruiting base many of the top programs have and that is why they will never consistently be a top elite program. Just the way it is.
 
We only had one national championship in the 90's. You're just leaving out the the 5 others we have. Tennessee is a top 15 program all time.

Tennessee is a top 10 program by wins and bowl games all time. and that INCLUDES the last decade of sucking! We are second in the SEC in everything behind only Bama.
 
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Georgia, Auburn, and Texas are championship programs, as well.

Not today, at least not Auburn or Texas. But looking at the programs over their lifetimes, absolutely all three of those are, like Tennessee, championship programs.

We get too caught up in a "what have you done for me today" world where only Bama, Clemson, Ohio State and A Fourth To Be Named are worthy of adulation.

The world is bigger than that, history is longer, and our eyes should see farther.
Is the definition teams that have won a championship somewhere in their history??? Someone once said, a lot of teams have won 1 in a row.
 
Let's look specifically at the 60s and 70s. Following the 56 SEC championship season, the program began to decline because Bowden Wyatt refused to scrap the outdated single wing. Recruiting suffered because of it. For a similar modern example look at Georgia Tech. They might win a few games because of their offense, but they can't recruit the caliber of athletes they need to compete week in and week out in a P5 conference. Back to Tennessee, after General Neyland died in 62, they let Wyatt go and Jim McDonald was the interim for a year before Doug Dickey took over in 64. From that point on Dickey had the team on an upward trajectory, winning the SEC in 67 and 69.

Just when Dickey had the program on a level ready to compete with Alabama, he bolted for his Alma mater. We made a disastrous hire in Bill Battle. He did alright for a few years with Dickey's players, but steadily ran the program into the ground. But the time Coach Majors took over in 77 it was at rock bottom. It took him until 83 to get back to winning like Tennessee fans were accustomed to.

Without the disastrous hire of Battle, we probably sustain the success of the late 60s throughout the 70s and 80s. So one hire truly can change an entire program for decades.

Or three hires within a decade.
 
Until recent years, a Top 10 all-time program. Some of us seem to be suffering from BFS (Battered Fan Syndrome).
We are STILL a top 10 program by wins, all time. Even counting the last 10 years. And the majority of teams ahead of Tennessee in wins have played football for more years.
 
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Tennessee is a top 10 program by wins and bowl games all time. and that INCLUDES the last decade of sucking! We are second in the SEC in everything behind only Bama.
Tennessee is a top 10 program by wins and bowl games all time. and that INCLUDES the last decade of sucking! We are second in the SEC in everything behind only Bama.
Tennessee all time .676 12th all time
Record 835-386-53

Bowl Record
53828-24-0 BOWL RECORD 27th all time

835 wins 10th all time (including Maryville College, Carson Newman and the Bristol Armory) LOL!

5th all time in bowl game appearances (52). Georgia has more. Compared to Notre Dame with 34. Oh yea, ND didn't used to go to bowl games if it wasn't one of the big boys. They had studies to attend to.

Do the math on the modern era and you will see a much different result. Take away the Fulmer era and it is actually scary bad. It is a historically good program. Not great. I thought great was Natty's??? Not playing more times in the Bluebonnett Bowl then others LOL!! 2 Natty's. Not bad. About the same as many big time schools. Just not elite.
 
a .676 winning % equals 8-4 in 12 games. Anything above is great. Below is below expectations. So if you expect Tennessee to win 10, you are asking more from this program then they historically do. But hey, we are elite , remember? LOL!!!
 
Tennessee all time .676 12th all time
Record 835-386-53

Bowl Record
53828-24-0 BOWL RECORD 27th all time

835 wins 10th all time (including Maryville College, Carson Newman and the Bristol Armory) LOL!

5th all time in bowl game appearances (52). Georgia has more. Compared to Notre Dame with 34. Oh yea, ND didn't used to go to bowl games if it wasn't one of the big boys. They had studies to attend to.

Do the math on the modern era and you will see a much different result. Take away the Fulmer era and it is actually scary bad. It is a historically good program. Not great. I thought great was Natty's??? Not playing more times in the Bluebonnett Bowl then others LOL!! 2 Natty's. Not bad. About the same as many big time schools. Just not elite.


Sports-Reference has our all time record (1902-2018) as 810-368-51. good for 8th place. Played in 52 bowl games, which is #6 all time.
 
You meant to say "seven and three were jokes," because I assure you the other four national titles stand on very solid footing.

Which 4?? LOL!!! 1 stands on solid footing. Dat it!!

In 121 years, Tennessee had, as counted by the same method as most programs, 2 National Titles. Not 6 or whatever.

1938 - CFRA, Dunkel, Billingsley, CFI, Litkenhous, Boand, Houlgate, Poling, NSFR, Frye, Massy, Koger, McCarty, Libby, Maxwell, Sagarin, Howell (No AP etc) TCU was the actual winner.
1940 - Dunkel, Williamson. Minnesota is the actual Champion.
1950 - National Championship Foundation, Billingley, CFRA, Massy, Dunkel, DeVold, CFI, Frye, Fleming System, Howell, Maxwell, Sorensen. Oklahoma actual champion.
1951 - AP, UPI. Tennessee is the National Champs! Despite losing to Maryland in the bowl game AND only playing one team ranked in the postseason Top 20.
1967 - Litkenhous. Actually USC is the consensus.
1998 - AP, USAToday/ESPN, BCS. The only undisputed, consensus National Title in school history!!
 
Enjoy and relax boys. Tennessee is good not elite. Enjoy the games and don't kick the dog every time some kid says no in recruiting. It will be fine.
 
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