USF Chaz Nimrod

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Rickyvol77 said:
DO you think beating teams that are 3-9 and 5-7 are impressive?
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When your program won 4 games combined the previous 3 seasons, yes I do. He's stacking wins at a program that was the worst program in college football before he arrived.

But hey, go on you go on thinking that losing to a 10 win Navy team is losing to an inferior team though.
 
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pricevol5 said:
That’s in 2 seasons. He inherited a program that had 15 total wins the previous five and has zero backing.

To win at USF takes a full on grass-roots grind. Coaching, scouting & development. The only thing going is location and talent pool, which isn’t as big a draw as it was pre-NIL. There is no support from admins or alumni or fans. It’s a tougher job than people think, especially in the NIL-era.
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How is there no support from fans. They have one of the largest fanbases for G5 in the country and have $ as well. They are positioned to be in the Big XII, ACC or Pac-12 in the next round of expansion.

I'm not saying he hasn't done a decent job there, I am saying he's not some elite coach. he's barely over .500 and has beaten only the worst of the worst teams on his schedule.
 
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Carp said:
When your program won 4 games combined the previous 3 seasons, yes I do. He's stacking wins at a program that was the worst program in college football before he arrived.

But hey, go on you go on thinking that losing to a 10 win Navy team is losing to an inferior team though.
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They won 4 games previous because their coaching was even worse yes, and because the AAC teams had Houston, Cincy, UCF, etc. but those teams aren't there and now the conference is even worse and his rivals are FAU, Charlotte, North Texas etc...

"stacking wins"? I listed his best wins there, and winning 7 games a season in a terrible conference isn't stacking wins.

Heupel did better in the AAC vs ACTUAL good and ranked teams

and Navy wasn't that good either.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
How is there no support from fans. They have one of the largest fanbases for G5 in the country and have $ as well. They are positioned to be in the Big XII, ACC or Pac-12 in the next round of expansion.

I'm not saying he hasn't done a decent job there, I am saying he's not some elite coach. he's barely over .500 and has beaten only the worst of the worst teams on his schedule.
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It certainly seems like that is what you are saying.

And I don't recall anyone saying he was an elite coach. But what he has done at a garbage program in such a little amount of time is impressive. In their programs FBS history, only Charlie Strong had a better start in his 1st 2 years as HC, and Strong took over a team that won 11 games the year prior to him taking over.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
How is there no support from fans. They have one of the largest fanbases for G5 in the country and have $ as well. They are positioned to be in the Big XII, ACC or Pac-12 in the next round of expansion.

I'm not saying he hasn't done a decent job there, I am saying he's not some elite coach. he's barely over .500 and has beaten only the worst of the worst teams on his schedule.
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Where are you getting largest fan bases in G5 and $? Because the enrollment is huge? Because they’re located in a major metro area?

As a born & raised Tampanian, sister is a USF alum, still friends with former players, USF Athletics looked at is a fun change of scenery or something new to check out when they have some momentum, but nothing more. That’s why talks for an on-campus stadium having been going on for decades and they’re still playing at Ray-J.
 
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pricevol5 said:
That’s in 2 seasons. He inherited a program that had 15 total wins the previous five and has zero backing.

To win at USF takes a full on grass-roots grind. Coaching, scouting & development. The only thing going is location and talent pool, which isn’t as big a draw as it was pre-NIL. There is no support from admins or alumni or fans. It’s a tougher job than people think, especially in the NIL-era.
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It’s a tough place to win and sustain success. Jim Leavitt was the outlier since he was so instrumental in building that program from nothing. Willie Taggart had an 11 win season IIRC and Charlie Strong went 10-2 one year during his tenure. All of the other seasons range from bad to slightly above average. If Golesh continues to win, then he likely moves on to a better program.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Well of course teams that beat you usually finish ahead of you in conference standings. A better measure would be to list his 10 best wins at USF:

1. Syracuse (6-7) - 45-0 (bowl game)
2. Boise St (likely 8-4) - 34-7
3. San Jose St (7-6) - 41-39 (bowl game)
4. Navy (5-7) - 44-30
5. Rice (6-7) - 42-29
6. Charlotte (5-7) - 59-24
7. Connecticut (3-9) - 24-21
8. FAU (3-9) - 44-21
9. Temple (3-9) - 27-23
10. UAB (3-9) - 35-25
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Again, I ask, inferior to who? USF is not a juggernaut, not historically world class, so what makes you say these teams are inferior to USF?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They won 4 games previous because their coaching was even worse yes, and because the AAC teams had Houston, Cincy, UCF, etc. but those teams aren't there and now the conference is even worse and his rivals are FAU, Charlotte, North Texas etc...

"stacking wins"? I listed his best wins there, and winning 7 games a season in a terrible conference isn't stacking wins.

Heupel did better in the AAC vs ACTUAL good and ranked teams

and Navy wasn't that good either.
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You do understand that mentioning that their coaching staff was a lot worse does not support your argument right? I mean it specifically aligns with what I have been saying, that Golesh inherited a garbage team, filled with barely any talent, not much funding, and what little players they had were likely poorly developed by the previous coaching staff.

And yes, stacking wins at a program that was one of the worst in the country before you arrived is impressive. They have largely beat the teams they are supposed to beat, and few others that they probably shouldn't have beaten. Along with playing tough vs Bama in 2023. Those are what you expect a good coach to do.

Going to back to back Bowl games (and winning both) when you're program has only 10 Bowl appearances in 25 years is pretty impressive. Golesh's teams represent 16% of the USF's total bowl appearances and 25% of their programs bowl wins. That is how poverty of a program they have traditionally been, (aside from the Taggert years).

Heupel took over a UCF squad that had just gone undefeated the year prior. Or do you not recall all of the moaners on here complaining about how poor of a job Heup did taking an undefeated squad and losing more games every year he was there?

Navy was literally ranked last year and beat OU in the bowl game. Again, I don't know WTF are you even talking about.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Again, I ask, inferior to who? USF is not a juggernaut, not historically world class, so what makes you say these teams are inferior to USF?
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There is nothing to suggest USF was inferior to those teams talent wise. Those teams were completely on par with USF talent wise.
 
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Carp said:
You do understand that mentioning that their coaching staff was a lot worse does not support your argument right? I mean it specifically aligns with what I have been saying, that Golesh inherited a garbage team, filled with barely any talent, not much funding, and what little players they had were likely poorly developed by the previous coaching staff.

And yes, stacking wins at a program that was one of the worst in the country before you arrived is impressive. They have largely beat the teams they are supposed to beat, and few others that they probably shouldn't have beaten. Along with playing tough vs Bama in 2023. Those are what you expect a good coach to do.

Going to back to back Bowl games (and winning both) when you're program has only 10 Bowl appearances in 25 years is pretty impressive. Golesh's teams represent 16% of the USF's total bowl appearances and 25% of their programs bowl wins. That is how poverty of a program they have traditionally been, (aside from the Taggert years).

Heupel took over a UCF squad that had just gone undefeated the year prior. Or do you not recall all of the moaners on here complaining about how poor of a job Heup did taking an undefeated squad and losing more games every year he was there?

Navy was literally ranked last year and beat OU in the bowl game. Again, I don't know WTF are you even talking about.
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He's not "stacking wins" he's went 7-6 two years in a row. Great he inherited a garbage team that was losing tons more games because of bad coaching AND because they had a much much tougher schedule.

Who were "the few other teams they probably shouldn't have beaten"? I listed his top ten wins and he was favored in every game but 2...beating 3-9 UAB and UConn teams isn't impressive, it just isn't.

Back to back bowl games in this day and age is NOT impressive. You can be 5-7 and make a bowl.

Heupel played an actual schedule too, and continued to be one of the winnigiest coaches in the country even before he came to UT. Golesh is 15-12 vs a very weak schedule, now he may do great things, but it's not anywhere close to impressive yet...
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He's not "stacking wins" he's went 7-6 two years in a row. Great he inherited a garbage team that was losing tons more games because of bad coaching AND because they had a much much tougher schedule.

Who were "the few other teams they probably shouldn't have beaten"? I listed his top ten wins and he was favored in every game but 2...beating 3-9 UAB and UConn teams isn't impressive, it just isn't.

Back to back bowl games in this day and age is NOT impressive. You can be 5-7 and make a bowl.

Heupel played an actual schedule too, and continued to be one of the winnigiest coaches in the country even before he came to UT. Golesh is 15-12 vs a very weak schedule, now he may do great things, but it's not anywhere close to impressive yet...
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Winning 7 games LY with your star QB out 8 games is pretty impressive. I’m not crowning him a great coach yet but taking over a dumpster fire he did & winning right out of the gate is worth noting.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Our receivers were not getting wide open last year. Thats why most aren't back.
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I saw plenty of open WRs the past 2 seasons. I also saw lots of dropped balls.
There were games where our WRs were buried by the opposing defense, but dropped balls was our Kryptonite. Joe often threw the ball too hot, but I saw a lot of catchable passes doinked to the turf after going through the hands of our guys.

With slightly better WR play in 23 and 24, both Joe and Nico would have had 3000+ yds and a few more TDs. Both QBs stats were padded by that WR screen play to the edge, but their stats were also held down by underachieving WRs.
I kept waiting for some guy in the WR room to step up like Tillman and Hyatt in 21 and 22. No one did. They all stepped up for the Citrus Bowl in 22 with Joe, but it was all downhill from there.
 
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wmcovol said:
Winning 7 games LY with your star QB out 8 games is pretty impressive. I’m not crowning him a great coach yet but taking over a dumpster fire he did & winning right out of the gate is worth noting.
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Again compare the schedules the previous coaching staff had vs what Golesh has

2024-South Florida (American)​
8/31​
vs.Bethune-Cookman (non-IA)W
48​
3​
9/7​
@Alabama (9-4)L
16​
42​
9/14​
@Southern Mississippi (1-11)W
49​
24​
9/21​
vs.Miami (Florida) (10-3)L
15​
50​
9/28​
@*Tulane (9-5)L
10​
45​
10/12​
vs.*Memphis (11-2)L
3​
21​
10/19​
vs.*Alabama-Birmingham (3-9)W
35​
25​
11/1​
@*Florida Atlantic (3-9)W
44​
21​
11/9​
vs.*Navy (10-3)L
7​
28​
11/16​
@*Charlotte (5-7)W
59​
24​
11/23​
vs.*Tulsa (3-9)W
63​
30​
11/30​
@*Rice (4-8)L
28​
35​
12/24​
vs.San Jose State (7-6)W
41​
39​
@ Honolulu, HIHawaii Bowl
7-6-0​
 418387

2023-South Florida (American)​
9/2​
@Western Kentucky (8-5)L
24​
41​
9/9​
vs.Florida A&M (non-IA)W
38​
24​
9/16​
vs.Alabama (12-2)L
3​
17​
9/23​
vs.*Rice (6-7)W
42​
29​
9/30​
@*Navy (5-7)W
44​
30​
10/7​
@*Alabama-Birmingham (4-8)L
35​
56​
10/14​
vs.*Florida Atlantic (4-8)L
14​
56​
10/21​
@Connecticut (3-9)W
24​
21​
11/4​
@*Memphis (10-3)L
50​
59​
11/11​
vs.*Temple (3-9)W
27​
23​
11/17​
@*Texas-San Antonio (9-4)L
21​
49​
11/25​
vs.*Charlotte (3-9)W
48​
14​
12/21​
vs.Syracuse (6-7)W
45​
0​
@ Boca Raton, FLBoca Raton Bowl
7-6-0​
 415419

2022-South Florida (American)​
9/3​
vs.Brigham Young (8-5)L
21​
50​
9/10​
vs.Howard (non-IA)W
42​
20​
9/17​
@Florida (6-7)L
28​
31​
9/24​
@Louisville (8-5)L
3​
41​
10/1​
vs.*East Carolina (8-5)L
28​
48​
@ Boca Raton, FL
10/8​
@*Cincinnati (9-4)L
24​
28​
10/15​
vs.*Tulane (12-2)L
31​
45​
10/29​
@*Houston (8-5)L
27​
42​
11/5​
@*Temple (3-9)L
28​
54​
11/12​
vs.*Southern Methodist (7-6)L
23​
41​
11/18​
@*Tulsa (5-7)L
42​
48​
11/26​
vs.*Central Florida (9-5)L
39​
46​
1-11-0​
 336494

2021-South Florida (American)​
9/2​
@North Carolina State (9-3)L
0​
45​
9/11​
vs.Florida (6-7)L
20​
42​
9/18​
vs.Florida A&M (non-IA)W
38​
17​
9/25​
@Brigham Young (10-3)L
27​
35​
10/2​
@*Southern Methodist (8-4)L
17​
41​
10/16​
vs.*Tulsa (7-6)L
31​
32​
10/23​
vs.*Temple (3-9)W
34​
14​
10/28​
@*East Carolina (7-5)L
14​
29​
11/6​
vs.*Houston (12-2)L
42​
54​
11/12​
vs.*Cincinnati (13-1)L
28​
45​
11/20​
@*Tulane (2-10)L
14​
45​
11/26​
@*Central Florida (9-4)L
13​
17​
2-10-0​
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The only difference is that previous staff was playing MUCH tougher schedules overall including Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, SMU as conference teams while Golesh is getting UTSA, FAU, Charlotte, North Texas etc.
Golesh has improved the team, but again, beating 3-9 teams every week is not that difficult and several coaches could've done it
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Golesh would probably be the logical choice, if God forbid Huepel left for Oklahoma or the NFL. It would be the smoothest transition, considering he basically runs the same offense. Kind of the way Auburn hired Gus Malzahn after Gene Chizik was fired. Lance Leipold at Kansas would also be a likely candidate since Danny hired him at Buffalo.
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Danny White would probably consider Tim Banks the better choice. I would.

Lance Leipold was my 1st choice during the last coaching search. He is an elite coach. It would be better if he was 50 instead of 60. I figure he is nearing retirement.
 
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RickyVol and Carp--take your arguments somewhere else. I get some back and forth to a point but you guys are making this a 2-person discussion. Neither is going to convince the other so move somewhere else. I quit reading 2 pages ago.

Thread title is Chas Nimrod and he hasn't been mentioned in pages
 
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Volinnooga said:
RickyVol and Carp--take your arguments somewhere else. I get some back and forth to a point but you guys are making this a 2-person discussion. Neither is going to convince the other so move somewhere else. I quit reading 2 pages ago.

Thread title is Chas Nimrod and he hasn't been mentioned in pages
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Oh no, page monitor alert. No one cares what you read or don't read.

As for Nimrod, I always support former Vol players who leave on the right terms
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Boise State is trash as usual. Propped up by a weak schedule...Their program has been the biggest fraud the last 25 years
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LMAO.

They are putting players in the NFL rate at a better than half the power 4 teams in the country. They also took Oregon to the wire last year on the road.

But yeah total fraud.....



These are definitely some takes by you this morning..... they are bad takes, but takes nonetheless.
 
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Carp said:
LMAO.

They are putting players in the NFL rate at a better than half the power 4 teams in the country. They also took Oregon to the wire last year on the road.

But yeah total fraud.....



These are definitely some takes by you this morning..... they are bad takes, but takes nonetheless.
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Jesus is there any midmajor trash you don't pump up....

Boise St is the biggest fraud in football and have been...propped up by their high school schedule for years

Idaho took Oregon to the wire last year on the road too...
 
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wmcovol said:
Winning 7 games LY with your star QB out 8 games is pretty impressive. I’m not crowning him a great coach yet but taking over a dumpster fire he did & winning right out of the gate is worth noting.
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And that's the thing. Nobody is crowning Golesh or calling him an amazing coach. But turning around a trash program into a winning program virtually overnight is definitely impressive.
 
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