US State Department Stirring It Up With Iran...

#52
#52
Grand Vol said:
These the same career "professionals" that have continued the status quo in regards to NK, Iran, Syria, Russia and a whole host of other countries?

Or the ones that led us into Iraq and Libya?
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I’m not surprised that you subscribe to this false narrative. Mistakes have been made in the last but I would still trust our intelligence agencies over a guy who has famously asked for his daily briefings to be reduced to a comically short (and insufficient) handful of bullet points and pictures because of his aversion to reading and detail.
 
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#54
#54
General Jack said:
I’m not surprised that you subscribe to this false narrative. Mistakes have been made in the last but I would still trust our intelligence agencies over a guy who has famously asked for his daily briefings to be reduced to a comically short (and insufficient) handful of bullet points and pictures because of his aversion to reading and detail.
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So...

Still no ideas?
 
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Grand Vol said:
So...

Still no ideas?
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I've already explained to you that I'm not a foreign policy expert but would use reasonable judgment in assessing the guidance of the smart, career professionals. Would it help if I typed slower or tweeted the response?

These aren't easy problems to solve, I'm sure you would acknowledge that.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the trump tweet blast approach isn't going to solve the world's problems - unless - when trump is finally gone the world recognizes the risks in inherent in electing an incompetent demagogue to a position of power and works together to avoid such eventually occurring again.
 
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General Jack said:
I've already explained to you that I'm not a foreign policy expert but would use reasonable judgment in assessing the guidance of the smart, career professionals. Would it help if I typed slower or tweeted the response?

These aren't easy problems to solve, I'm sure you would acknowledge that.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the trump tweet blast approach isn't going to solve the world's problems - unless - when trump is finally gone the world recognizes the risks in inherent in electing an incompetent demagogue to a position of power and works together to avoid such eventually occurring again.
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So...

No ideas. Got it, shortbread.
 
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#60
"We will never abandon our revolutionary beliefs … we will resist pressure from enemies … America wants nothing less than (to) destroy Iran … (but) Trump cannot do a damn thing against Iran,” Gholamhossein Gheybparvar, a top IRGC officer
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Just a moment...
 
#61
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n_huffhines said:
This doesn't validate Trump, no matter how many times you repeat the deflection.
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What validation was I looking for? My question was "what would you do differently".

He can't (won't) answer except "trust the same career bureaucrats that have gotten us into mess after mess for 20 years."

Complete lack of originality on his part.
 
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#62
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Grand Vol said:
So...

No ideas. Got it, shortbread.
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n_huffhines said:
This doesn't validate Trump, no matter how many times you repeat the deflection.
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Grand Vol's answer was appropriately trumpy.

1. You've got name calling, a staple of a trumpeter.

2. You've also got an inability to respond to a well-thought out position with an in-kind response due to the lack of substantive, intellectual argument that can stand on its own merit.

3. It was short enough to fit in a tweet.

His next step will be alluding to some sort of victorious conclusion while the rest of the word (other than the 33%) can see he's the one gyrating in the wind.
 
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#63
#63
Grand Vol said:
What validation was I looking for? My question was "what would you do differently".

He can't (won't) answer except "trust the same career bureaucrats that have gotten us into mess after mess for 20 years."

Complete lack of originality on his part.
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Perhaps you can explain why the GAO decided to remove the elements of a finding for an agreed-upon-procedures engagement from their 2011 revision of the Yellow Book?


Since all people should have an answer to all questions, you know, and not admit that there are matters that should be left to the professionals.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What validation was I looking for? My question was "what would you do differently".

He can't (won't) answer except "trust the same career bureaucrats that have gotten us into mess after mess for 20 years."

Complete lack of originality on his part.
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Like the time where he admitted he didn't have a solution and you repeated yourself for a 10th time?
 
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General Jack said:
Perhaps you can explain why the GAO decided to remove the elements of a finding for an agreed-upon-procedures engagement from their 2011 revision of the Yellow Book?

Since all people should have an answer to all questions, you know, and not admit that there are matters that should be left to the professionals.
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That shortbread thing really gets your blood boiling lol

Now, onto the meat of the discussion, what we have here is a message board. A message board filled to the brim with opinions. Not a darn one of us influences policy nor advises anyone that high up. But damned if we aren't opinionated as all get out.

Hence, I asked what you would do. You evaded answering. I asked again. You stuck with the evasive answer of "listen to the professionals." I asked if you were referring to the same professionals that sometimes (won't quantify that, but it happens more often than we'd like) get our nation and leaders into hot water.

You continued being evasive instead of just saying "I'd bomb the **** out of them" or "I'd punt like every other President." Or various strategies in between. I think you're just being obtuse. At the very least offended someone called you a silly name that's irksome and you can't get past it.

So, basically, you want to complain about what Trump does, but can't come up with alternatives. I get it.
 
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#67
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, it'll be like clockwork.

Regardless though, the masses will need to be the ones to start it like they did in 1979. Hopefully, they've learned their lesson against installing another theocratic regime and move towards more of a modern constitutional republic like Turkey...was. Unfortunately, I do see some similarities between 1930s Germany and modern day Iran though with a religious flair to it. A modern fascist state with a powerful autocratic ruler. No, that's not a Godwin's Law inference, but rather one of "economic and social conditions are similar in the two nations."

The other problem is if they do move towards any kind of autocratic regime, we could be set for yet another mini-cold war in the ME with Iran and her allies on one side and the other nations aligned on the other. There already are tensions, but it could get uglier with the introduction of a new regime looking for Lebensraum for Iran.

Worst case scenario of course.
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What would have been had Mossedegh not been ousted...
 
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Grand Vol said:
These the same career "professionals" that have continued the status quo in regards to NK, Iran, Syria, Russia and a whole host of other countries?

Or the ones that led us into Iraq and Libya?
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You're gradually coming around to my side of the srgument...
 
#69
#69
Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... I thought Rachel Maddow already released that info?.

I'm serious... what tax returns are you talking about?
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Those tax returns weren't good enough bc those went back to 2005 or so & aren't this year's tax returns that have the damming evidence LG wants to find for the impeachment process to be moved forward.
 
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General Jack said:
I’m not surprised that you subscribe to this false narrative. Mistakes have been made in the last but I would still trust our intelligence agencies over a guy who has famously asked for his daily briefings to be reduced to a comically short (and insufficient) handful of bullet points and pictures because of his aversion to reading and detail.
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Our intelligence agencies have been the main agitators in most of these countries.
 
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#71
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Grand Vol said:
That shortbread thing really gets your blood boiling lol

Now, onto the meat of the discussion, what we have here is a message board. A message board filled to the brim with opinions. Not a darn one of us influences policy nor advises anyone that high up. But damned if we aren't opinionated as all get out.

Hence, I asked what you would do. You evaded answering. I asked again. You stuck with the evasive answer of "listen to the professionals." I asked if you were referring to the same professionals that sometimes (won't quantify that, but it happens more often than we'd like) get our nation and leaders into hot water.

You continued being evasive instead of just saying "I'd bomb the **** out of them" or "I'd punt like every other President." Or various strategies in between. I think you're just being obtuse. At the very least offended someone called you a silly name that's irksome and you can't get past it.

So, basically, you want to complain about what Trump does, but can't come up with alternatives. I get it.
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Your posts appears to have exceeded 288 characters, good job, but post-trumpian. Careful, intellect is frowned up in that world.

Yeah, my blood is really boiling, you got me there, declare a trumpian victory.

I'm going to make an assumption that the sandbox I play in is probably a bit bigger than yours. Feel free to keep calling me shortcake, this will be my last comment on the matter. Just know that it illustrates who the adults are in the room.

How about you answer my question in post 63 before pressing me on the solution to world peace?
 
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General Jack said:
Perhaps you can explain why the GAO decided to remove the elements of a finding for an agreed-upon-procedures engagement from their 2011 revision of the Yellow Book?


Since all people should have an answer to all questions, you know, and not admit that there are matters that should be left to the professionals.
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Perhaps you’d like to answer his very simple question instead of deflect, deflect, deflect.
 
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#75
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General Jack said:
How about you answer my question in post 63 before pressing me on the solution to world peace?
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It's cute when you get all offended over my posts and don't have answers.

But I'm going to ask "what does one have to do with the other" in regards to your post in #63? Are you implying you are in the GAO? If so, how are those raging parties going these days? Still bringing in $10,000 magicians and ordering butter poached lobster for breakfast?
 
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