Update on Randy Shannon, DC

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If true, are commits(and certain recruits) being let in on this info and being asked to keep it quiet? I think you would want this in their mind as soon as possible if for no other reason than to ease their doubts and concerns.
 
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Domestic Silence said:
Legitimate question.

If true, what happens if Dooley ass blows another season and we have Shannon inked on a MY deal? We're stuck with RS as a head coach, or have to spend more money that the sunshine pumpers say we don't have to buy him out too, if another HC were to be hired?
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No legitimate question EVER includes the classless phrase "ass blows".
 
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I need to copy and paste some of this into a comic book so I have something to read and laugh at when I take a sh!+.
 
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vol2013 said:
One thread is plenty for the above stupidity. You do not need to put it in two places.
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Stupidity because I have a different take on the coaching situation than you do? You don't know more than myself or anyone else here. It just looks like Dooley's between a rock and a hard place. And if the AD feels it's time to cut bait, Smith would be my first choice. The changes made in the Bears organization today changes his future prospects with them very tenuous and more feasible for us.

I would like the RS hire too, but it's hard to ignore the difficulty a lame duck coach faces. Hard to believe that you can convince a HR candidate to bite on the offer.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
That is just one example, and at a school that has been hard to recruit to. Apples and Oranges.
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What is your example to the contrary? Just as college coaches have traditionally struggled in the NFL, NFL coaches have struggled in college. The apples to orange comparison you refer to should really be about comparing college head coaching and NFL head coaching, they are very different. By your definition Texas A&M made a great hire in Sherman, must be why Sumlin is now there coach :crazy:
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Doubt it. He has Kirby Smart in his back pocket, and I just saw on NFL.com where Lovie Smith had his GM and OC fired, and when the owner mentioned the HC status, he said that the new GM would have Lovie as the coach for 2012.
NFL.com news: Bears inform GM Angelo he will not return next season

Guess what? Lovie has a contract through 2013. What does that tell you? Tells me Lovie better be looking around for a landing zone. What's great about it for us is that Lovie has proven that he can win. He had them in the NFC title game last year and when Cutler was healthy, they were easily a playoff team.

So, on one hand, I hope Shannon is indeed hired, but I'd be even more stoked if Hart were to pull the plug on Dooley (whom he never hired) and swung for the fence (like Bama and Ark did) with L. Smith.

Lovie would have tons of NFL coaching ties and likely bring a handful with him = recruiting magnet.
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I don't understand this LS love affair. U say he is a proven winner but is HC winning percentage is .555. That's not that impressive. Winning in the NFL only matters if you win the SB...period. Winning in the NFL isn't like in college either. We expect minimum .700 winning percentage at UT, and you have to be near just perfect every yr.

Also why would you think he would come to college and deal with recruiting and other issues that college brings with it. It's been over 15 yrs since he has been in college. He may have left to the NFL for a reason and hasn't looked back since. Your "what bama and arky did" point is so off cause both Saban and petrino were wanting to come back to the college ranks after their failed experiment in the nfl. Same thing with spurrier. LS has not shown any of this. Just like Gruden.
 
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The OP's post makes me happy but at this point we shall just wait and see and hope that his post is accurate
 
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This sounds too good to be true for the Vols. I will believe it when I see it. Go Vols.
 
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govols/cc said:
He's returning to the bears so it's a moot point.
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Jeff Fisher was returning for the last year on his contract too, and that never transpired. If the ownership fires the GM and OC, then the HC cannot feel very secure. Especially when they mention that you will be the coach for 2012 and not mention anything about 2013 (last year of his current contract).
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Stupidity because I have a different take on the coaching situation than you do? You don't know more than myself or anyone else here. It just looks like Dooley's between a rock and a hard place. And if the AD feels it's time to cut bait, Smith would be my first choice. The changes made in the Bears organization today changes his future prospects with them very tenuous and more feasible for us.

I would like the RS hire too, but it's hard to ignore the difficulty a lame duck coach faces. Hard to believe that you can convince a HR candidate to bite on the offer.
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Stupidity because we would be firing dooley and paying his buyout for a coach that has just as many questions about his college coaching ability as dooley does (maybe even more). As I previously mentioned the job of a college coach and that of an nfl coach are very different. Now I do believe that a great coach will be successful in either, but that is certainly not the case with lovie. There is a reason his situation in chicago is tenuous. Also, to your last point, a proven defensive coordinator (aka a homerun hire) will not be afraid to take the job for the right amount of money. For one they have faith in there own ability to improve things. Second of all even if he were to come in and Dooley were to get fired the next year, he would still be able to move on to another high profile defensive coordinator job because other teams would just say that he came in too late to help. A defensive coordinator is not like a head coach where you likely only get one chance to succeed at a BCS program. We should have no problem making a homerun defensive coordinator hire.
 
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At 1 mill a year, isn't that as much as Dooley makes? Making that much will he have Associate Head Coach in his title?
 
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vol2013 said:
Stupidity because we would be firing dooley and paying his buyout for a coach that has just as many questions about his college coaching ability as dooley does (maybe even more). As I previously mentioned the job of a college coach and that of an nfl coach are very different. Now I do believe that a great coach will be successful in either, but that is certainly not the case with lovie. There is a reason his situation in chicago is tenuous. Also, to your last point, a proven defensive coordinator (aka a homerun hire) will not be afraid to take the job for the right amount of money. For one they have faith in there own ability to improve things. Second of all even if he were to come in and Dooley were to get fired the next year, he would still be able to move on to another high profile defensive coordinator job because other teams would just say that he came in too late to help. A defensive coordinator is not like a head coach where you likely only get one chance to succeed at a BCS program. We should have no problem making a homerun defensive coordinator hire.
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First of all, with all the defections of late, on the staff, Dooley's status is still very questionable. I have been hoping that the RS rumors might be true as well. But at this stage, it's just as much pie in the sky speculation as my post regarding Lovie.

Secondly, Carroll showed that an NFL coach can indeed succeed greatly on the college level. In fact, it was his resume as a HC in the NFL that made USC suddenly so attractive to recruits.

USC was in the same shape as we are in now, when they hired Carroll. Lovie has coached here before, so he has ties and a history with us. And he has had a lot of success as a HC with the Bears. Super Bowl and multiple playoff appearances, including the NFC Championship last year. You are telling me that HS recruits would jump at the chance to play for him?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Doubt it. He has Kirby Smart in his back pocket, and I just saw on NFL.com where Lovie Smith had his GM and OC fired, and when the owner mentioned the HC status, he said that the new GM would have Lovie as the coach for 2012.
NFL.com news: Bears inform GM Angelo he will not return next season

Guess what? Lovie has a contract through 2013. What does that tell you? Tells me Lovie better be looking around for a landing zone. What's great about it for us is that Lovie has proven that he can win. He had them in the NFC title game last year and when Cutler was healthy, they were easily a playoff team.

So, on one hand, I hope Shannon is indeed hired, but I'd be even more stoked if Hart were to pull the plug on Dooley (whom he never hired) and swung for the fence (like Bama and Ark did) with L. Smith.

Lovie would have tons of NFL coaching ties and likely bring a handful with him = recruiting magnet.
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I'd be far more "stoked" if Hart provides all the necessary tools and CDD turns the program around. Pulling the plug, as you say, would mean that UT has had another bad year and would equate to a $5 million dollar buyout, as well as further setbacks in recruiting.
 
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DocVol said:
I came into some information from a good friend of mine who is one of the bigger UT boosters. This is what he told me earlier this evening at dinner regarding the DC situation:

-Dooley has known for a better part of a year that JW would leave for the first PAC-12 job that came available. It was always expected that Simon would follow. However, this all started to become reality two days after Christmas when Washington started showing interested and contacted the UT AD about JW.

-Since then, Dooley (and Hart) have worked to compile a list of replacement DC candidates. Sirmon's spot will be left vacant for the time being to accommodate additional staff the new DC may want to bring in, with Dooley's approval.

-Steele was definitely Dooley's first choice, but Hart didn't feel it was a good fit nor the big time hire that was needed. As he explained it to me, Hart did not want a band-aid just to get through next season, which is how it was described that Steele would be.

-Shannon was a close second and Hart's number 1 choice. Hart made it clear to Dooley that funds would be available to secure him, as it would take "a considerable salary," for the Shannon hire.

-JW informed Dooley on New Years Eve that he would be taking the UW job. Sirmon followed suit the next day. Both were accommodating and offered any assistance to help with the search/transition for the next few days. He's not sure if they were utilized or what they provided but said they were very gracious and accommodating.

-Baring any unforeseen event, Randy Shannon will be the new DC. He and the university have agreed (in principal--not official) through their lawyers to a multi year deal worth over $1million/year plus incentives. Despite Hart's comments on multi year deals, he is treating each coach on a coach by coach basis. Since Shannon is "his guy," it is assumed that there is some leeway on his original comments about multi year contracts for NEW hires.

-Expect an announcement by "late Friday or early Monday," depending on contract finalization.

-He was not sure if Shannon was on campus today, as was rumored.

-There was no team meeting as far as he could tell and so the Palardy tweet, he assumes, comes from Palardy's family being connected to a few high ranking names at the university. There was never an announcement made to the team that caused Palardy tweet what he did. He obtained the information from other means, but still accurate.

That's the latest and greatest. Should be all but a done deal.
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Any info of LT or TJ??? Will they stay???
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
First of all, with all the defections of late, on the staff, Dooley's status is still very questionable. I have been hoping that the RS rumors might be true as well. But at this stage, it's just as much pie in the sky speculation as my post regarding Lovie.

Secondly, Carroll showed that an NFL coach can indeed succeed greatly on the college level. In fact, it was his resume as a HC in the NFL that made USC suddenly so attractive to recruits.

USC was in the same shape as we are in now, when they hired Carroll. Lovie has coached here before, so he has ties and a history with us. And he has had a lot of success as a HC with the Bears. Super Bowl and multiple playoff appearances, including the NFC Championship last year. You are telling me that HS recruits would jump at the chance to play for him?
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You are hillarious. Pete Carroll's success in the NFL :eek:lol:. You mean the guy that currently has a 47 and 48 record in the NFL. It is certainly not his NFl "resume" that made him attractive to recruits. It was his cheerleader like qualities that made him a great recruiter. Carroll struggles in the NFL because he is not an X's and O's guy. He succeeds in college because he is a great motivator, and does a great job at getting people excited about the program (offering a few extra benefits helps as well). Go back and look through interviews with recruits when he first got there. They were excited about the swagger and excitement that he was bringing to the program, not his nfl "resume" or more appropriately his lack there of. Where is any evidence that Lovie Smith has the same charisma? To your last point Mike Sherman have similar NFL resumes. With Mike Sherman being 57 and 39 through 6 seasons, and Lovie Smith being 71 and 57. Other than the year that that Franchione was fired Sherman and Franchione brought in very similar recruiting classes.
Second off, I know you like to ignore facts to fit your agenda, but the staff defections as you call them do not leave dooley's status in question. Sirmon and Wilcox wanted to go back home out west is is as simple as that. It is tough to keep west coast coaches and corrdinators away from there. There have been many pac12 coaches and coordinators in the past that have had the opportunity for bigger programs, yet have turned the down to stay on the west coast.
 
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