UK's May says "highly likely" Russia responsible for poisoning of ex-spy

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Dead men can't talk... but since they are alive, this could get very interesting.

With Sergei Skripal and his daughter recovering, we may be getting closer to the truth of novichok's origins

In this highly charged affair, in which Russia is accused of the poisoning in Salisbury of the former MI6 agent and his daughter, there is already suspicion and recrimination surrounding their recovery. Moscow is demanding to know how it could have taken place when the director of Porton Down has said there was no known antidote to the military-grade novichok used in the attack.

The Russian embassy has asked the British government for an explanation and says it is yet to receive one. Russian officials claim what has happened supports the allegation that the UK was responsible for the attack and has its own access to novichok, with an alternative conspiracy theory that some other substance, not novichok, had been used in a staged attack by the British authorities.
 
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What is your standard of proof? Mainstream western media sources? The White House?

:crazy:

Putin has had all his political enemies killed or imprisoned, installed all his stooges and buddies as heads of government-sponsored "corporations", and stolen $200 billion from their people and yet you believe his mouthpieces? Russia is nothing now but a broken down gas station run by a mob cartel. Open your eyes.
 
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What is your standard of proof? Mainstream western media sources? The White House?

:crazy:

My standard of proof is not demanding demonstrative certainty in these matters.

My standard in these matters is even less than beyond reasonable doubt.

My standard in these matters is merely most likely explanation.
 
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It's typical Russian modus operandi. They did it in 2006 to a former FSB/KGB agent in the UK as well. Their Cold War tactics are a dead give away. They should get some creative ideas from Bill and Hillary.
 
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The UK Government's Skripal Conspiracy Theory (Or How To Hold A Mass Of Contradictory Thoughts In Your Head)

The Anti-Russia narrative is continuing to lose credibility...

So what exactly are those contradictory elements and improbable assertions in the Official Narrative, which place it firmly in the territory of a Very Bad Conspiracy Theory? There are many, but below are 10 of the most obvious:

1. A lethal nerve agent followed by a drink and a meal

The Official Narrative requires you to believe not only that Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned by the military grade nerve agent A-234, a substance which is said to be 5-8 ten times the toxicity of VX nerve agent (which itself has a median lethal dose of 10mg), and the effects of which are said to take place within 30 seconds to two minutes.

…But also that after coming into contact with this substance, they then spent the next four hours wining and dining in the City of Salisbury.

2. A deadly nerve agent without antidote, but where everyone is fine

The Official Narrative requires you not only to believe that Mr and Miss Skripal were poisoned by a deadly nerve agent with no known antidote (according to Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive of Porton Down), and for which treatment is “practically impossible”, according to The Handbook of Toxicology of Chemical Warfare Agents.

…But also that just a few weeks later, both were fine and one of them at least was fit to be discharged from hospital.

3. Symptoms that don’t match those produced by the substance allegedly used

The Official Narrative requires you to believe that the Skripals were poisoned by a substance which produces the following symptoms:

“Acetylcholine concentrations then increase at neuromuscular junctions to cause involuntary contraction of all skeletal muscles. This then leads to respiratory and cardiac arrest (as the victim’s heart and diaphragm muscles no longer function normally) and finally death from heart failure or suffocation as copious fluid secretions fill the victim’s lungs.”

…Yet according to witnesses at the bench in The Maltings, Mr Skripal was making “strange hand movements”, “looking up to the sky” and “looking out of it” – symptoms which strongly suggest poisoning by a hallucinogenic, such as BZ or Fentanyl, and not A-234, which tends to produce death, rather than hallucinations.

4. That Salisbury District Hospital mistook the symptoms of military grade nerve agent for opioid poisoning

The Official Narrative requires you to believe that the Skripals were the victims of poisoning by a lethal nerve agent, which produces the symptoms mentioned above, including “involuntary contraction of all skeletal muscles”, “respiratory and cardiac arrest” and “finally death from heart failure or suffocation.”

…Yet it also requires you to believe that Salisbury District Hospital completely mistook the symptoms of nerve agent poisoning for opioid poisoning — even though the symptoms are very different — since on the following day a press release was issued stating that they were treating the pair for exposure to Fentanyl:

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5. A lethal nerve agent that can be dealt with by water and baby wipes

The Official Narrative requires you not only to believe that the substance which poisoned the Skripals is so deadly that Mr Skripal’s house may need to be demolished and a multi-million pound clean-up of Salisbury with chaps in HazMats a necessity.

…But that the same substance can be treated with warm water, soap and baby wipes, as evidenced by the advice given by Public Health England (PHE) a week after the incident, to anyone who may have come into contact with it:

“Wash the clothing that you were wearing in an ordinary washing machine using your regular detergent at the temperature recommended for the clothing. Wipe personal items such as phones, handbags and other electronic items with cleansing or baby wipes and dispose of the wipes in the bin (ordinary domestic waste disposal)… Other items such as jewellery and spectacles which cannot go in the washing machine or be cleaned with cleansing or baby wipes, should be hand washed with warm water and detergent and then rinsed with clean cold water. Please thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water after cleaning any items.”

6. The nerve agent went undetected on a door handle for weeks

The Official Narrative requires you not only to believe that the assassins poured “military grade nerve agent”, in liquid form, on the handle of Mr Skripal’s front door, and that the British Government had possession of an FSB “assassin’s handbook” detailing this procedure.

…But that despite apparently having this handbook, the door handle theory was only mentioned more than three weeks after the incident, during which time many people (such as the unsuspecting policewoman at the top of this piece), came within a few feet of a door apparently smeared with lethal nerve agent, with no protective clothing, and suffered no ill effects.

7. The highly volatile nerve agent that was still highly pure weeks later

The Official Narrative requires you not only to believe that the substance examined in blood and environmental samples by the OPCW, weeks after the incident was:

“…of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”

…But also that the substance used is known to be both unstable and vulnerable to water – and Salisbury definitely had plenteous rain and even snow between the incident and the coming of the OPCW!

8. That the substance used is proof of Russian state culpability

The Official Narrative requires you to believe that because the substance allegedly used was first developed in Russia (actually Soviet Union), there are only two explanations for the poisoning:

It was an act of the Russian state
That the Russian state lost control of its stocks
…Yet it requires you to believe this in the full knowledge that not only have other countries produced it (the United States has been patenting “Novichok” products for years; Iran produced it in 2016; and the United Kingdom possesses samples of it), but according to the chairman of the OPCW, Ahmet Uzumcu, A-234 could be produced:

“…in any country where there would be some chemical expertise.”

9. That the movements of Detective Sergeant Bailey on 4th March cannot be officially confirmed

The Official Narrative requires you to believe not only that Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who is a member of Wiltshire Criminal Intelligence Department (CID), was poisoned with the same substance as the Skripals.

…But that his movements cannot be established, since it has still not been officially confirmed whether he was at the bench in The Maltings or at Mr Skripal’s house (and in point of fact, either scenario is remarkably odd, since D.S. Bailey is a member of CID, and there was no suggestion until at least 24 hours after the incident that a crime may have been committed).

10. The cleansing of Salisbury hotspots, but not all Salisbury hotspots

The Official Narrative requires you to believe not only that there are parts of Salisbury that may be contaminated with a lethal substance, and that this will require a clean up operation involving thousands of man hours, costing millions, and taking months to complete.

…But that some of these areas were no danger to the public for a month-and-a-half, when they were cordoned off with nothing more than police tape. In addition, some of the areas that the Skripals were known to have walked down after apparently coming into contact with the substance, such as the Market Walk, have been free to the public to walk through since the start of the incident and remain completely open (I know this personally, because as a Salisbury resident, I have walked through the Market Walk in the last few days).
 
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Now what, Russophobes? Come out and pin the tail on Putin now?

UK Police Confirm 2nd Critically Ill Couple Poisoned With Novichok Nerve Agent

The same agent that was allegedly used to poison former Russian spy Sergei Skripal just a few miles away (who miraculously survived the 'deadly' nerve agent along with his daughter).


So why are "the Russians" now poisoning some random - non-former-Russian spies - British people?

One can only wonder at the timing of this second seemingly random poisoning with a deadly nerve agent coming so close to President Trump's scheduled summit with President Putin.
 
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The working assumption is this couple are victims of the nerve agent used in the original attack and not specifically targeted in a new attack. So this in no way diminishes responsibility for the attack on the Skripals.
 
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The working assumption is this couple are victims of the nerve agent used in the original attack and not specifically targeted in a new attack. So this in no way diminishes responsibility for the attack on the Skripals.

So we are supposed to believe that the remnants of the original attack have been able to go 4 months without having countless other victims, but somehow now, they suddenly afflict this couple?
 
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So we are supposed to believe that the remnants of the original attack have been able to go 4 months without having countless other victims, but somehow now, they suddenly get afflict this couple?

I was actually wondering the same thing. If it is unintended contact ok maybe they can now find a common point and figure out the delivery system. But 4 months?!
 
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So, Teresa May says that Russia is "culpable" in the poisoning of a Russian spy....without a thread of proof...then expels 23 Russian diplomats...

Russia had asked for a sample of the poison and that the case must go through the proper channels of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), of which both Russia and the UK are members. The OPCW rules allow London to send a formal inquiry to Moscow, with a 10-day window for a reply.

Fabricating more russophobia...
Just like the MH-17 investigation and the Nordstream bombings... for whatever reason, they don't want Russia to participate in the investigations.
 

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