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volprof said:
I have no damn clue, but apparently some on here are closet Putin voters. At least Rasputin has had the courage to admit it.
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Don't understand why. He's quietly eroded Russian freedoms while enriching himself in the process.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I will say this, sailing a carrier strike group into the Black Sea will be a significant rise in the stakes. It's prohibited by the Montreux Convention (tonnage maximum which would be violated by the carrier) and would have to have Turkey sign off on it which would open up the door to the Russians sending anything they please through at a later time and date.

The Aegean is plenty close enough for most of the carrier assets, especially if there are land based refueling aircraft anywhere close like say Turkey or Romania or perhaps even Greece.
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No way this battle group passes through the straits to the Black Sea. That would be almost be an act of war. We maintain a carrier strike force in the Med 24x7. This group has been clearly been directed to the Aegean to project some power but it is not out of its normal operational area. Battle groups are directed like this all of the time to show power and influence events. It is just not commonly known or mentioned in media. The Black and Eastern Europe is well within reach from the Aegean.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
:question: sounds familiar to what we have.
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Obama is an awful president. The only reason why I halfway stand up for him at times is due to the inanity of this board. But, if you think for one second that Putin and Obama are analogs, you're mistaken.
 
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volprof said:
You apparently didn't read the BBC article I posted yesterday or just flat out don't care.

Just in case, here you go:

BBC News - Russian rouble hits new low against the dollar and euro

I know it seems like Putin would make a great US president to many of you, but trust me, he wouldn't.
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Here's the problem with that whole scenario...

What if it backfires and our currency tanks instead? In order to go after the Ruble, we best have the majority of the world behind us. As a minimum Russia's largest trading partners for foreign currency (Europe).

And what happens when Putin starts talking sweet in Xi Jinping's ear and China suddenly starts calling in the debt against us? Or dumping US Treasuries on the market? If the Chinese lead the way, you can be pretty certain Europe won't be far behind in getting out of the Dollar as quick as possible. And we are in the toilet.

If you go after another nation's currency, you best make sure yours is on some real solid ground first. And you best have your ducks lined up before starting something like that.

As I've said before, the Chinese are the wild card in all this. They are being real quiet right now, but you can guarantee they are watching this situation closely. And they're a whole lot more friendly with the Russians than they are with us.
 
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allvol123 said:
Tattoo it on your privates if it help gets you off.

Which leader has strengthened their country the past 6 years?
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I've had several tattoos; none got me off.

You're working with an arbitrary notion of national strength. To use your model, who is to say that Putin will be proven the strongest national leader in another 6 years after this incident?

And you still didn't read the article I posted, did you? That, or you just don't care.
 
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volprof said:
I've had several tattoos; none got me off.

You're working with an arbitrary notion of national strength. To use your model, who is to say that Putin will be proven the strongest national leader in another 6 years after this incident?

And you still didn't read the article I posted, did you? That, or you just don't care.
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You're right, not read it. Doing multiple things here.

I hate Putin, be he is infinitely better for his country than our leader is for ours.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the problem with that whole scenario...

What if it backfires and our currency tanks instead? In order to go after the Ruble, we best have the majority of the world behind us. As a minimum Russia's largest trading partners for foreign currency (Europe).

And what happens when Putin starts talking sweet in Xi Jinping's ear and China suddenly starts calling in the debt against us? Or dumping US Treasuries on the market? If the Chinese lead the way, you can be pretty certain Europe won't be far behind in getting out of the Dollar as quick as possible. And we are in the toilet.

If you go after another nation's currency, you best make sure yours is on some real solid ground first. And you best have your ducks lined up before starting something like that.

As I've said before, the Chinese are the wild card in all this. They are being real quiet right now, but you can guarantee they are watching this situation closely. And they're a whole lot more friendly with the Russians than they are with us.
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You're right, although there is some suggestion that the Chinese are currently playing with fire as well concerning their economy.
 
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