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rocktopper16 said:
Didn't Putin state any action by the US will have consequences? Wouldn't this fall under that statement?
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I don't know man. I just know the ships are "around" these areas. I'm sure we informed them a couple days ago we would be in the area.

Sarcasm.
 
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Obsessed said:
I know I'm right. Putin slapped obama. For all the world to see.

Regardless if we know they have missiles. All the tension and he fires one off?

I know you are smarter than this.
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I think it also greatly depends on where this missile was fired from. If it was from a known test range (not sure if the Astrakhan region is specifically that area or not) then it's a routine test. We don't fire our own test shots out of the known missile fields, but out of Vanderberg AFB in California where there are no nukes. I could assume the Russians also do their tests out of the same type of location, away from known ICBM launch sites to avoid confusion. Russians are anything but stupid.

Believe what you want Ob, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
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March 3, 2014 -- (TRN) -- In response to a Russian invasion, the United States has sent an aircraft carrier strike group toward the Black Sea to be able to respond to developments on the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine. The super-carrier USS George H.W. Bush plus seventeen other ships and three submarines passed through the Aegean sea this afternoon. The George H.W. Bush is carrying 90 aircraft including helicopters of various types, and several squadron's of F/A-18 Hornets, some of the most advanced combat aircraft in the world. The submarines each have twenty four missile silos, with each silo housing a missile armed with eight separate nuclear warheads which operate as MIRV's (Multiple Independent Re-Entry Vehicles) that can be independently targeted.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it also greatly depends on where this missile was fired from. If it was from a known test range (not sure if the Astrakhan region is specifically that area or not) then it's a routine test. We don't fire our own test shots out of the known missile fields, but out of Vanderberg AFB in California where there are no nukes. I could assume the Russians also do their tests out of the same type of location, away from known ICBM launch sites to avoid confusion. Russians are anything but stupid.

Believe what you want Ob, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Are you of the opinion that Putin wants a conflict? Or maybe just exposing obama and America to be weak?

When tensions are high, you don't fire a freaking missile. Test or not. Unless it's one of the above questions.
 
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Obsessed said:
I don't know man. I just know the ships are "around" these areas. I'm sure we informed them a couple days ago we would be in the area.

Sarcasm.
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You do know we always have a carrier in the Med, right? It's part of the 6th Fleet's mission. And the Bush departed Norfolk prior to anything kicking off in the Ukraine, Russia wise at least.
 
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Obsessed said:
I don't know man. I just know the ships are "around" these areas. I'm sure we informed them a couple days ago we would be in the area.

Sarcasm.
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Lol. Saw what you did there. If we are starting to mobilize ish is gonna get real ain't no about to it. Obama showed his hand. Wondering what Putin will say about it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You do know we always have a carrier in the Med, right? It's part of the 6th Fleet's mission. And the Bush departed Norfolk prior to anything kicking off in the Ukraine, Russia wise at least.
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I'm not aware of the 6th fleet. I'm not aware of any of our military's normal activities.
 
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Obsessed said:
Are you of the opinion that Putin wants a conflict? Or maybe just exposing obama and America to be weak?
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I don't think anyone in the world except for Putin knows what Putin wants. And he's done a pretty dandy job so far of putting the US back on their heels. We really have no idea on how to respond and haven't since the Russians moved into the Crimea. Furthermore, we have to get the EU on board with whatever we want to do. They have to be in agreement with whatever positions we take. Or we end up following their lead on it since they have way more at stake than we do.

And for reference, we fired a live missile shot during the Cuban Missile crisis when tensions were way, way, way more elevated than now.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Way different strategic scenarios. We certainly didn't have a good way of getting into Hungary back then as they were surrounded by Warsaw Pact countries and the neutral Austria. And the fact that Hungarian rebels were actively engaging Soviet forces would have made introduction of US/NATO troops a pretty dicey proposition.
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I think that was partially the commentator's point, oddly enough. It was a completely different scenario and, while historical models can be useful, they don't always tell us all we need to know about the specifics of the contemporary moment.
 
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Obsessed said:
I'm not aware of the 6th fleet. I'm not aware of any of our military's normal activities.
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I will say this, sailing a carrier strike group into the Black Sea will be a significant rise in the stakes. It's prohibited by the Montreux Convention (tonnage maximum which would be violated by the carrier) and would have to have Turkey sign off on it which would open up the door to the Russians sending anything they please through at a later time and date.

The Aegean is plenty close enough for most of the carrier assets, especially if there are land based refueling aircraft anywhere close like say Turkey or Romania or perhaps even Greece.
 
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Obsessed said:
I know I'm right. Putin slapped obama. For all the world to see.

Regardless if we know they have missiles. All the tension and he fires one off?

I know you are smarter than this.
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Believe me, I know it's flexing. It's still a fart in the wind, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it also greatly depends on where this missile was fired from. If it was from a known test range (not sure if the Astrakhan region is specifically that area or not) then it's a routine test. We don't fire our own test shots out of the known missile fields, but out of Vanderberg AFB in California where there are no nukes. I could assume the Russians also do their tests out of the same type of location, away from known ICBM launch sites to avoid confusion. Russians are anything but stupid.

Believe what you want Ob, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Astrakhan to Kazakhstan, is what I've heard. Seemed perfectly routine, although the timing probably was moved up a bit for the firing.
 
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Obsessed said:
March 3, 2014 -- (TRN) -- In response to a Russian invasion, the United States has sent an aircraft carrier strike group toward the Black Sea to be able to respond to developments on the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine. The super-carrier USS George H.W. Bush plus seventeen other ships and three submarines passed through the Aegean sea this afternoon. The George H.W. Bush is carrying 90 aircraft including helicopters of various types, and several squadron's of F/A-18 Hornets, some of the most advanced combat aircraft in the world. The submarines each have twenty four missile silos, with each silo housing a missile armed with eight separate nuclear warheads which operate as MIRV's (Multiple Independent Re-Entry Vehicles) that can be independently targeted.
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Could it be that Obama wasn't completely neutered when he wore those mom jeans, as Sarah Palin put it?
 
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"You just don't, in the Twenty-First Century, behave in Nineteenth Century fashion by invading another country on a completely trumped-up pretext."---John Lurch Kerry

John Kerry back in 1994, called for the US to invade Haiti and reinstall its America-hating communist dictator, Jean-Bertrande Aristide.

Kerry flip flopped again.
 
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Obsessed said:
Per GV this a routine movement. I assume obama was playing golf when the fleet set out.
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The news report you cited stated that the group was moving towards the Black Sea. Is this also a routine part of the 6th Fleet's stated mission? I honestly don't know. I'm not the military expert.
 
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volprof said:
The news report you cited stated that the group was moving towards the Black Sea. Is this also a routine part of the 6th Fleet's stated mission? I honestly don't know. I'm not the military expert.
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I am not a expert either. I believe they are off the coast of Greece now
 
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