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CountVolcula said:
I didn't say Clinton started it

Clinton administration laxed the requirements to get an ARM and home loans in general

Now, I going by what I have been told by people in the loaning business and friends who built and sold houses until the housing crash
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Arms weren't the issue. Stupid people getting arms they didn't deserve or understand was the problem
 
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volinbham said:
Russia is behind some of the biggest problems we have in FP - Syria, Iran and now the Ukraine. Putin is seizing power and influence everywhere he can. Romney saw this more clearly than Obama has.
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exactly. We're fighting proxy wars against Russia all over and mainly over energy

it is amazing that Obama has access to the best advisors he could want and still thought this was a joke (and by amazing I mean really sad)
 
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lawgator1 said:
This isn't naked Russian aggression directed toward some distant country with resources the Russians would like to exploit. This is Round 723 of a battle that has been going on, in one form or another, for hundreds of years.

This is not comparable to Russian involvement in Cuba, or Afghanistan.
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I do not like Romney, would never vote for him. He is way to much of a flip-flopper for me to suppot. With that said, he was spot-on on his Russia comments. When a politician is correct, D or R he should be given credit.

Here is an article from the Huffington Post that ran 3/26/2012.

Mitt Romney: Russia Is 'Our Number One Geopolitical Foe'


Wolf Blitzer asked if he thought Russia was a bigger foe than Iran, China or North Korea.

"I'm saying in terms of a geopolitical opponent, the nation which lines up with the world's worst actors," said Romney. "Of course the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran and a nuclear North Korea is already troubling enough."

"But when these terrible actors pursue their course in the world and we go to the United Nations looking for ways to stop them; when [Syrian President Bashir al-] Assad for instance is murdering his own people we go to the United Nations and who is it that always stands up with the world's worst actors, it's always Russia, typically with China alongside," he continued. "And so in terms of a geopolitical foe, a nation that's on the Security Council ... and is of course is a massive nuclear power, Russia is the geopolitical foe."
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No doubt, Romney was 100% correct in that statement.
 
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utvolpj said:
exactly. We're fighting proxy wars against Russia all over and mainly over energy

it is amazing that Obama has access to the best advisors he could want and still thought this was a joke (and by amazing I mean really sad)
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I would have to disagree about the best advisors

Obama has encircled himself with some of the biggest idiots in politics. It's like all the kids that never got picked to play games finally got together and formed their own team
 
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volinbham said:
Russia is behind some of the biggest problems we have in FP - Syria, Iran and now the Ukraine. Putin is seizing power and influence everywhere he can. Romney saw this more clearly than Obama has.
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Romney was running for president, he can go much further as a candidate than could Obama, as sitting president.

I'll ask the same questions of you that I asked yesterday on this board, and which no one answered:

1) What should we be doing now that Obama is not doing with regard to this situation?

2) Can you make a convincing argument that, whatever your answer to # 1, it would actually make any difference; and

3) What interest of ours justifies your answer to #1 ?

There seem to plenty of people here willing to say that Obama is being too soft, but no one seems to be willing to offer up a counter-strategy that would be more effective and which can be justified.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I would have to disagree about the best advisors

Obama has encircled himself with some of the biggest idiots in politics. It's like all the kids that never got picked to play games finally got together and formed their own team
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He wants to be the smartest guy in the room, so he has surrounded himself with idiots who worship him .
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm still just in shock over here at the idiocy this weekend shown on this board via the argument that Benghazi is contributing to Russian aggression in this situation.
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Obama is spineless. Your boy is a joke. Face it...the world doesn't respect him.

Also,

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CountVolcula said:
I would have to disagree about the best advisors

Obama has encircled himself with some of the biggest idiots in politics. It's like all the kids that never got picked to play games finally got together and formed their own team
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I said he has access to the best. Whether he uses them or not is up to him
 
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lawgator1 said:
Romney was running for president, he can go much further as a candidate than could Obama, as sitting president.

I'll ask the same questions of you that I asked yesterday on this board, and which no one answered:

1) What should we be doing now that Obama is not doing with regard to this situation?

2) Can you make a convincing argument that, whatever your answer to # 1, it would actually make any difference; and

3) What interest of ours justifies your answer to #1 ?

There seem to plenty of people here willing to say that Obama is being too soft, but no one seems to be willing to offer up a counter-strategy that would be more effective and which can be justified.
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He can't do shiite ok? The point which keeps sailing over your head is that if we had a real leader in office odds are we wouldn't be having this conversation. We are perceived as a weak ass country and rightfully so. Putin is a bully and should be treated accordingly .
 
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Our fearless leader will be making another speech today addressing the Russian thing that's going on & the question is "what will he be saying & doing now" to show his muscle towards Putin? He needs to quit now & worry w/what's going on in his own backyard instead of trying to clean other country's front yard.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Obama is spineless. Your boy is a joke. Face it...the world doesn't respect him.

Also,

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In 2011 when Obama stuck his toe into the Libyan uprising, he said: "To brush aside America's responsibility as a leader and more profoundly our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are. Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different."


He is just a mouth piece. I honestly don't think he has a clue what he is saying or doing. Says one thing- does something else.
 
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Obsessed said:
He is just a mouth piece. I honestly don't think he has a clue what he is saying or doing. Says one thing- does something else.
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He doesn't. The entire world knows he's a p***y. He'd be better off to just not weigh in.

Putin has been tooling Obama around for years, and Obama is either too arrogant to notice or too weak to care. Either way, he's a joke. An embarrassment to the United States.
 
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thing is, I don't think you can wait until tanks roll down the streets to try and do something. This is something that needed to be addressed way before we got to this point yet it doesn't appear that was done. Either that or Putin just doesn't care which needs to be addressed by more people than just the US
 
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The IQ for this thread dropped 50 points as soon as Obama became part of the story and the haters jumped in.

Typical for VN.

I wish we can have threads were references to him weren't allowed. Maybe there'd be intelligent conversation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Romney was running for president, he can go much further as a candidate than could Obama, as sitting president.

I'll ask the same questions of you that I asked yesterday on this board, and which no one answered:

1) What should we be doing now that Obama is not doing with regard to this situation?

2) Can you make a convincing argument that, whatever your answer to # 1, it would actually make any difference; and

3) What interest of ours justifies your answer to #1 ?

There seem to plenty of people here willing to say that Obama is being too soft, but no one seems to be willing to offer up a counter-strategy that would be more effective and which can be justified.
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Your first comment makes little sense. Obama certainly could have spoken about Russia in the same way as Romney. At a minimum he could have not laughed at the suggestion made by Romney and made some references to Romney living in the 80s. Bottomline Obama has downplayed Russia ever since the ridiculous "reset button" incident with Hillary. Putin has had the upper hand ever since.

To your question - part of the problem is that much of the damage is done. Both Russia and Europe have learned that we (under Obama) are not going to exercise leadership. Another lead from behind situation. Given that Obama should be out

1. Making public comments about our determination and policy here. Instead he has Kerry do so. Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 all were much more visible in these type situations. Obama is no where and others do the talking for him.

In addition we should be more visibly and actively involved with Europe about a unified front of policy in response. Instead we have the same old "we're right behind you" approach.

2. Will it make a difference? Probably too late. Both Russia and our allies have seen 5 years of the Obama Doctrine and at this point they'd probably just shrug it off. However, perhaps it may sow some seeds to rebuild some power for future conflicts.

3. Our interests are served by being a strong voice for and organizing force for stability on the continent and detering Putin's power grab. We can be much stronger in leadership without military force but this administration has been astounding weak in FP and the world has noticed and reacted to that weakness.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The IQ for this thread dropped 50 points as soon as Obama became part of the story. And the haters jumped in.

Typical for VN.
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I understand the comment but we can't really discuss our reaction to the situation without discussing our FP can we?
 
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CountVolcula said:
I didn't say Clinton started it

Clinton administration laxed the requirements to get an ARM and home loans in general

Now, I going by what I have been told by people in the loaning business and friends who built and sold houses until the housing crash
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I read your post that you were implying this was a Clinton initiative . My apologies.

The home loans being laxed during Clinton was done in 1999. It was the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act ,also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999

This was a Republican bill. Introduced in the senate by by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the U.S. House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa). The third lawmaker associated with the bill was Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia), Chairman of the House Commerce Committee from 1995 to 2001.

During debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell (Democrat of Michigan) argued that the bill would result in banks becoming "too big to fail." Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government Dingell was spot-on.

The final votes passed by the Senate 90–8 and by the House 362–57. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

Both the Dems and Repubs have sponsored and passed laws that has brought us to the disastrous point we are in today. Our country debt has been going out of control since the early 1980's. Both sides of the aisle has helped put us there. In reality, there is basically no difference in the two party, other than their rhetoric in pandering for votes.
 
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velo vol said:
the iq for this thread dropped 50 points as soon as obama became part of the story and the haters jumped in.

Typical for vn.

I wish we can have threads were references to him weren't allowed. Maybe there'd be intelligent conversation.
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lol. Gtfo.
 
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Gramps said:
I read your post that you were implying this was a Clinton initiative . My apologies.

The home loans being laxed during Clinton was done in 1999. It was the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act ,also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999

This was a Republican bill. Introduced in the senate by by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the U.S. House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa). The third lawmaker associated with the bill was Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia), Chairman of the House Commerce Committee from 1995 to 2001.

During debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell (Democrat of Michigan) argued that the bill would result in banks becoming "too big to fail." Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government Dingell was spot-on.

The final votes passed by the Senate 90–8 and by the House 362–57. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

Both the Dems and Repubs have sponsored and passed laws that has brought us to the disastrous point we are in today. Our country debt has been going out of control since the early 1980's. Both sides of the aisle has helped put us there. In reality, there is basically no difference in the two party, other than their rhetoric in pandering for votes.
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Both sides are responsible!!! Geesh.
 
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White House press briefing canceled due to inclement weather, press secretary announces - @NBCNews


The damn snow must be against him too
 
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