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Pacer92 said:
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Of course one has to delve into the article to reach the "serious" analysis.

After Moscow called Ukraine’s bluff at the Minsk summit, Kiev has no other choice than to pretend that Ukraine is part of NATO. This should not be too difficult considering that they now pretend it was Ukraine that took Berlin in 1945, ending the war started by Russia! Today, Ukrainian leaders are continuously talking about defeating the Russians in Donbass – whom no one has ever seen; about an Agreement on cooperation and support with NATO – which no one ever signed; and developing its armed forces, which so far can’t suppress a bunch of rebel guerillas in the South-East. In fact, the hog-wash has reached such a scale that US Secretary of State John Kerry had to publicly advise the Ukrainian President to start using his brain…
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I'm reprogramming my Internet news consumption inputs so I learn the truth. What do I need?

RT
sputnik
TASS
globalresearch

Anything else?
 
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“Putin does everything to get thrown out of the international community, because when he is isolated he can do whatever he wants inside of Russia,” Kuznetsov says. “The isolation caused by the sanctions helps Putin consolidate power. He can convince Russians that everyone is the enemy.”

“The Kremlin is fighting against extremism, but they define extremism as anything against Putin,” he adds. “Going out to protest in Russia is like going to war.”
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http://www.newsweek.com/raising-russian-rebel-army-overthrow-putin-334223

I don't think I have to kid you when I say that this is probably the most likely candidate for immediate addition to the "Russian Dissidents Who Have Died Mysteriously since Putin Came to Power" list.
 
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LouderVol said:
Dear lord I wish I had time to respond to each article.
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You're derelict in your duties as a certified Ukraine Thread member. The mods may have to revoke your certification.

Velo Vol said:
I read that Russian special forces soldiers being captured in Ukraine didn't even make the news in Germany. Does anyone care anymore?
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I think Kremlin propaganda, as goofy as it is to inquiring minds like ourselves, has been so effective at creating doubt (in the minds of many) over any claims made by the Ukrainian side and by anyone really, that no one knows up from down and, therefore, doesn't really care anymore. No doubt Russia has made this crisis into one huge fiasco.

Velo Vol said:
Velo Vol cares.

For the childrens

Russia Plans 'Patriotic' TV Channel For Children
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Sounds like more efforts similar to the Kiddy Day parade they had in Rostov and other parts of southern Russia a week or two ago.

The neo-fascist hold is further cementing itself. Every day, it creeps and creeps, getting stronger and stronger.

On a related note, I hear that Putin's squeeze may be pregnant with his child. If it's a scion, then he can be next in line for the throne. Honestly, I could be up for that. Will make a much smoother (and less violent/politically chaotic) transition than a complete regime change.
 
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volprof said:
On a related note, I hear that Putin's squeeze may be pregnant with his child. If it's a scion, then he can be next in line for the throne. Honestly, I could be up for that. Will make a much smoother (and less violent/politically chaotic) transition than a complete regime change.
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Why do you think a post-Putin transition will be so tumultuous? He's popular now, but that could wane. I don't think his personality cult is all that deep
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why do you think a post-Putin transition will be so tumultuous? He's popular now, but that could wane. I don't think his personality cult is all that deep
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Nearly every major transition (and this will be another major one) in Russian history, going back to the damn Rus, is marked by violent social upheaval, famine, executions, mass murders, more famine, shouting, assassinations, more shouting, armed insurrections, violent quashing of armed insurrections, more famine, etc., etc.

Just since 1917-22, major transitions in Soviet power were marked by violence, depositions, executions, backroom dealing, other crazy **** that TV depicts American politics doing but really doesn't, etc. Even in the last three decades. Gorby was violently deposed. In fact, a bunch of hardliners men surrounded his villa in Crimea while he was on vacay, and his bodyguards inside swore to defend him to the death. Just when it looked hopeless, a backroom negotiation for power transition was fulfilled. The violence of 91 brought Yelstin to power and then the violence of 93 threatened to break even Russia itself apart, while the First Chechen War was a major challenge to Kremlin centrality. Violence and the Second Chechen War brought Putin to power. In fact, he most likely started the Second Chechen War by having his FSB buds murder some 400 or so Russian unfortunates in a false flag as a means of bringing himself to power, as we've discussed in detail before.

Nothing in the history of that nation suggests to me the possibility of smooth, peaceful transition of power, particularly after either a strongman goes out (as will be the case with Putin) or a man during a Time of Troubles (pun intended) goes out (Gorby).

And, as I understand, there are much more hardline politicos out there in the wings, waiting and lurking and bidding their time, than Putin.
 
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Pacer92 said:
So many crickets when things like this are posted..
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It's a country in the Russian sphere or influence, the Russian World ("Russkiy Mir"). Honestly, if there wasn't someone burning something in a capital somewhere in the Russkiy Mir, I'd begin to worry. All is still normal.
 
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volprof said:
Nearly every major transition (and this will be another major one) in Russian history, going back to the damn Rus, is marked by violent social upheaval, famine, executions, mass murders, more famine, shouting, assassinations, more shouting, armed insurrections, violent quashing of armed insurrections, more famine, etc., etc.
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Failed coup aside, the dramatic transition from USSR to Russian Federation wasn't nearly this violent.

Happy Vyshyvanka Day!
 
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Dipping into crazyville but if, as some here assert, Washington is capable of erecting a military force like ISIS, why can't it build up the Ukrainian military (which already existed) sufficiently strong so it defeats the separatists?
 
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Moscow’s equally outlandish talking points in Macedonia have been made clear by Professor Markov. I explained a few weeks ago that Putin’s Kremlin has initiated a secret offensive in the Balkans, in both Bosnia and Macedonia, using Special War to open up another front as Europe slides towards greater crisis and perhaps wider war. Appealing to Slavic Orthodox “brothers” in Southeastern Europe, while sending spies and cash to stir up trouble, is a surefire way to exacerbate ethnic tensions in already damaged societies, but Moscow does not care about consequences. Russia seeks to cause problems for NATO and the EU in the Balkans, and it is doing so successfully. Shattering the fragile settlements of the Wars of Yugoslav Succession in the 1990’s, maintained with difficulty by the West, will be easy for the Russians. That the cost of this dirty and unnecessary war will be borne by innocent people in Southeastern Europe is no concern of Vladimir Putin’s.
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What's a bunch of Balkan trash to a man willing to kill 400 innocent Russians in order to start a war to kill more Russian citizens?

Putin’s Macedonian Gambit | The XX Committee
 
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Velo Vol said:
I read that Russian special forces soldiers being captured in Ukraine didn't even make the news in Germany. Does anyone care anymore?
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Apparently not, was reading about this on armchair general. Perhaps it's not about not caring, but that it's quite obvious to anyone who's paying any attention that they've been there since before day 1.
 
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volprof said:
What's a bunch of Balkan trash to a man willing to kill 400 innocent Russians in order to start a war to kill more Russian citizens?

Putin’s Macedonian Gambit | The XX Committee
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Giving the Russians a kick in the nuts at Slatina in 1999 would've been a good move, or at least making them sweat a little. They severely doubt the fighting spirit of the West, and rightfully so.
 
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