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Pacer92 said:
Minks-2 was just a break before big war - English pravda.ru
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yeah, the Rada not signing the document is the ONLY thing holding back peace. :eyeroll:

again what a load of crap. yes the OSCE is aware, and yes they have said plenty of stuff about Ukraine not pulling back artillery.

ok it brings up an interesting point how the Americans tried to change the OSCE during Minsk 2. but i thought Prada said America wasn't part of it at all. but now we are the setting terms apparently. regardless i would be interested to see how Ukraine and "the US" tried to influence the OSCE, it was probably wanting to expand its power.

According to Western experts, the truce is a temporary postponement of the protracted conflict that will most likely end up with eastern regions of Ukraine turning into de facto Russian satellite states, Lucas Powers of CBC News wrote.
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pretty sure Putin has said this himself.

maybe the reason they aren't signing it is because they know it won't hold up because of the rebels. not because of their own plans.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Minks-2 was just a break before big war - English pravda.ru
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Hahahahahahahaha. Good laugh this morning. The Freelancers griping about Kyiv not respecting the withdrawal? We have large weapons from their side still shelling and they are complaining about Kyiv? Pot and kettle here.

As for larger war...let's see who has been documented to conduct a land grab so far. Let's see who lied about said land grab.

You and Ras have been very quiet about Putin's admission. Care to comment?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Hahahahahahahaha. Good laugh this morning. The Freelancers griping about Kyiv not respecting the withdrawal? We have large weapons from their side still shelling and they are complaining about Kyiv? Pot and kettle here.

As for larger war...let's see who has been documented to conduct a land grab so far. Let's see who lied about said land grab.

You and Ras have been very quiet about Putin's admission. Care to comment?
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No high rez satellite images of Putin holding the scripted flash cards while standing in Ukraine actively gunning down Ukrainians so its not legit.
 
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LouderVol said:
No high rez satellite images of Putin holding the scripted flash cards while standing in Ukraine actively gunning down Ukrainians so its not legit.
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Naw. Just a high res video of Putin admitting he lied and saying "screw international law...I invaded for the best interests of the people of Rus - er, Crimea."
 
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The only things his appearance answered yesterday are: no he is not dead and he has not had a major stroke.

Still a lot of mystery there.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The only things his appearance answered yesterday are: no he is not dead and he has not had a major stroke.

Still a lot of mystery there.
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I wonder if he had been shot or stabbed. He was pale and not as focused as usual. That with his body gaurd being dead and the military movement at the Kremlin seems to indicate something very major happened.
 
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He participated in a prep for 70th anniversary ceremonies. The whole core of government was there. One thing noticed was Shoigu being bumped down to the lower level minions in the cabinet. For such an important ceremony and the part the military plays in this you would think he would have been with the higher importance crowd.

One thing I do find odd about this whole commemoration of WWII is that Russia says the war started in 1941. This completely blocks out Molotov-Ribbentrop and the invasion of Poland and the Baltics. It also blocks out the Winter War with Finland. Apparently they want to completely ignore their warmongering portion of history and only focus on "victim status" after the Nazis invaded in June '41. Talk about revisionist history. And they have the audacity to gripe about the Latvians focusing more on pro-German rather than pro-Soviet.
 
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The Russians have crossed the Seversky Donets river and set up a bridgehead on the Ukrainian side. Ukrainian troops have ordered them to withdraw or they will use force to restore control. This move violates the demarcation line set in the Minsk Accords.
 
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Burhead said:
The Russians have crossed the Seversky Donets river and set up a bridgehead on the Ukrainian side. Ukrainian troops have ordered them to withdraw or they will use force to restore control. This move violates the demarcation line set in the Minsk Accords.
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This is the only intact bridge for some distance. It would not have been seized except for some further attempt to move on. Ukrainian forces sit back and let it happen because they continue playing by the rules. The Russians keep flipping the rules off and moving further north. And Ras and Pacer will continue to post articles of how Minsk was a means to delay only to further the conflict later. I think it is quite obvious what the plan was the entire time. And who the actual guilty parties are here.

I noticed also the lack of respect the Duma had over a moment of silence for Nemtsov. One of their own politicians was murdered near the Kremlin and even in a simple act of respect the clowns take pot shots. Even here in "fascist USA" both sides tame the politics to respect a dead political opponent.
 
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When you write the history books and teach the kids you can say whatever you want about when wars started, how, who did what, etc. The fact that Russian "history" intentionally ignores M-R as well as the thousands that died and the tens of thousands they dragged to the Far East prior to June 22, 1941 shows some pretty shoddy efforts at revisionism.

Let's see where Vlad stands on this subject:

“Direct attempts to silence history, to distort and rewrite history are inadmissible and immoral. Behind these attempts often lies the desire to hide one’s own disgrace, the disgrace of cowardice, hypocrisy and treachery, the intent to justify the direct or indirect collaboration with Nazism,” the Russian leader stated, as he spoke in the Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center in Moscow at an event dedicated to the 70th anniversary of Auschwitz’s liberation.
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I guess he missed his own nation's collaboration with the Nazis in carving up a nation and stealing a few others.
 
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Stupid alternative history post of the day:

What if, instead of approaching WWII with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality, Britain and the US would have taken on both the Axis and the Soviet Union?

A three-sided world war.

Second stupid alternative history post of the day:

What if America would have had the air superiority it had by war's end going into the war? Would that have made it easier to have opened an additional front against the Soviets?

Ehh.
 
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volprof said:
Stupid alternative history post of the day:

What if, instead of approaching WWII with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality, Britain and the US would have taken on both the Axis and the Soviet Union?

A three-sided world war.

Second stupid alternative history post of the day:

What if America would have had the air superiority it had by war's end going into the war? Would that have made it easier to have opened an additional front against the Soviets?

Ehh.
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Look up Operation Unthinkable.
 
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volprof said:
Stupid alternative history post of the day:

What if, instead of approaching WWII with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality, Britain and the US would have taken on both the Axis and the Soviet Union?

A three-sided world war.

Second stupid alternative history post of the day:

What if America would have had the air superiority it had by war's end going into the war? Would that have made it easier to have opened an additional front against the Soviets?

Ehh.
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A more interesting point might be what if the Japanese had opened up a front on the Russians rather than Americans.

a three sided war, imo, would have ended similar to how 2 actually did. a division of europe into communist vs capitalist nations under the sway of the big dogs. also we probably would have nuked Russia. Russia would have been more set back without our help so slower to respond to the German invasion. at the very least in a three sided war you have temporary alliances, lets gang bang the allies and then fight each other. in that war all three sides proved they were willing to work with others. Germans and Russians divided up Poland, the US gave aid to Russia, and the Germans at the end showed they would rather surrender to US than Russia, showing a slight favoritism there. the war would have drawn out even longer with millions more dead, and could have gone straight into a nuclear holocaust.

as to the second point, no it would not have helped open a third front, we had no way to strike that far. our bombers were already stretched hitting Berlin, without forward bases in the Baltic Sea, possibly in Finland, or the green light from the Turks we did not have the range. Finland is to Russia as what Britain was to Germany.
 
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LouderVol said:
A more interesting point might be what if the Japanese had opened up a front on the Russians rather than Americans.

a three sided war, imo, would have ended similar to how 2 actually did. a division of europe into communist vs capitalist nations under the sway of the big dogs. also we probably would have nuked Russia. Russia would have been more set back without our help so slower to respond to the German invasion. at the very least in a three sided war you have temporary alliances, lets gang bang the allies and then fight each other. in that war all three sides proved they were willing to work with others. Germans and Russians divided up Poland, the US gave aid to Russia, and the Germans at the end showed they would rather surrender to US than Russia, showing a slight favoritism there. the war would have drawn out even longer with millions more dead, and could have gone straight into a nuclear holocaust.

as to the second point, no it would not have helped open a third front, we had no way to strike that far. our bombers were already stretched hitting Berlin, without forward bases in the Baltic Sea, possibly in Finland, or the green light from the Turks we did not have the range. Finland is to Russia as what Britain was to Germany.
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If the Japanese had been smart, that's what they should have done. I guess they were wanting to try out their world class navy though.
 
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I was reading the Wiki page on the proposed invasion of Japan. Did you guys realize we still haven't (apparently) run out of the Purple Heart medals we made in anticipation of that invasion? Still awarding them from the same stock evidently:

"Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals (awarded for combat casualties) were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan; the number exceeded that of all American military casualties of the 65 years following the end of World War II, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.[57] There were so many in surplus that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded on the field.[57]"
 
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