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Rasputin_Vol said:
Mature response... :shakehead:

Show me your proof that I'm anti-American and I don't care about American lives. You say I have this history of being anti-American, go ahead and prove it.
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**** me, really?

Your posts in this thread are the only proof anyone would need. You don't question the system, you bash it every chance you get and find any fault you can, no matter how obscure, remote or improbable it is to blame the US for everything.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is a UN resolution from the late 1960's (I can't find it right now, but I read it a few weeks ago and meant to post it back then) in regards to people being able to determine their own fate. The UN resolution would be invoked by the east and would trump Minsk II.

And I don't buy into the Russian viewpoint as much as I am fully aware of the work that the US has done in the past and is doing in the present. That isn't anti-American, that is just me being aware of American facts.
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Looking forward to your research in that regard. Not sure free flowing anarchy and revolutions was what this allowed for. You may want to tell Russia this. The fact is they've had several internal independence movements they have used brute force to suppress. Amazing how along their border they 'foster' independence movements but internally they beat them down.

Fully aware of what the US has done? Again, this statement clearly indicates your bias against America. The fact is Russia and the USSR have done far more against their own people and others than the US could ever dream of. If we're truly honest here and examining the score, you'd see Russia's own guilt. But amazingly, you seem to either pardon or conveniently overlook/ignore what they have done and put any and all blame on the US. You ignore what Russia has done/is doing in Ukraine but assign full responsibility on the US even when facts indicate Russia's deep involvement for years. Your attacks are fully dedicated to counter the US and blame them. You show no effort in applying that same standard to Russia. If you truly had principles around meddling, involvement, coups, etc. you would equally apply them to Russia. You say you know what the US has done. Unless you've had your head in the sand I'd hope you know what Russia and the USSR have done as well. But in your arguments you choose to just rant about the US and how bad it is. Your own words implicate you. You are big on the "American facts" but not on "anyone else facts". If anyone points the Russian facts out you get all whiny about American propaganda. It's all about the US with you.
 
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Grand Vol said:
**** me, really?

Your posts in this thread are the only proof anyone would need. You don't question the system, you bash it every chance you get and find any fault you can, no matter how obscure, remote or improbable it is to blame the US for everything.
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So you have no proof or evidence that I'm anti-American or dgaf amount American lives. That's all you had to say.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Looking forward to your research in that regard. Not sure free flowing anarchy and revolutions was what this allowed for. You may want to tell Russia this. The fact is they've had several internal independence movements they have used brute force to suppress. Amazing how along their border they 'foster' independence movements but internally they beat them down.

Fully aware of what the US has done? Again, this statement clearly indicates your bias against America. The fact is Russia and the USSR have done far more against their own people and others than the US could ever dream of. If we're truly honest here and examining the score, you'd see Russia's own guilt. But amazingly, you seem to either pardon or conveniently overlook/ignore what they have done and put any and all blame on the US. You ignore what Russia has done/is doing in Ukraine but assign full responsibility on the US even when facts indicate Russia's deep involvement for years. Your attacks are fully dedicated to counter the US and blame them. You show no effort in applying that same standard to Russia. If you truly had principles around meddling, involvement, coups, etc. you would equally apply them to Russia. You say you know what the US has done. Unless you've had your head in the sand I'd hope you know what Russia and the USSR have done as well. But in your arguments you choose to just rant about the US and how bad it is. Your own words implicate you. You are big on the "American facts" but not on "anyone else facts". If anyone points the Russian facts out you get all whiny about American propaganda. It's all about the US with you.
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I don't have a bias against America. Nor do I favor Russia. I want the facts to come out. As of right now, the burden of proof is on the US when they make claims 1 hour after a plane is shot down or 30 mins after a politician is shot down that Putin is involved with little to no proof.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't have a bias against America. Nor do I favor Russia. I want the facts to come out. As of right now, the burden of proof is on the US when they make claims 1 hour after a plane is shot down or 30 mins after a politician is shot down that Putin is involved with little to no proof.
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So, in other words, you favor Russia.

You're not as smart as you think you are.
 
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So the guys who did this are connected with Putin's lapdog's version of FSB in Chechnya and a security firm in Moscow. One of the two main suspects even received one of Russia's highest military awards the Order of Valiance. Now Putin typically hands off dirty work to Kadyrov and his minions. Chechen units were the ones in the heaviest fighting to take the Donetsk airport and Debaltseve AFTER the cease-fire. It does seem odd that a guy given an award by the Kremlin for war valor in 2010 and currently working for the Chechen version of the FSB (which is actually trained and leashed by the FSB) was behind this killing.

Looks like that whole CIA or opposition martyr theory is out the window.

Four Suspects Detained in Connection With Nemtsov Murder

https://cgrozev.wordpress.com/2015/03/07/the-medal-of-honor-killing/

Russia Update: Suspects Detained in Murder of Boris Nemtsov from North Caucasus | The Interpreter
 
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October 19, 2010:

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation for the courage, bravery and selflessness in the performance of military duty in the North Caucasus region, awarded the Order of Courage Senior Lieutenant Musa Ayubov, Lieutenant Musa demon senior lieutenant Ruslan Geremeev, Private Aslanbek Dagiev, Sergeant Zaur Dadaev.
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They must have pissed Kadyrov and/or Putin off.

I have a sneaky suspicion Kadyrov's time is coming eventually too. He often acts like a man desperate to stave off the inevitable.
 
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So the lead suspect looks into the camera at his hearing and says "I love the prophet Muhammed". So using a guy like him you can count on him taking this to the grave. You can get some extra bonus points for it looking like Muslim extremism. But that does become a problem when you've allied yourself with these little extremists. Sad to see Putin talk tough about Islamic extremism but uses it to clean up messes and get rid of enemies.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So the lead suspect looks into the camera at his hearing and says "I love the prophet Muhammed". So using a guy like him you can count on him taking this to the grave. You can get some extra bonus points for it looking like Muslim extremism. But that does become a problem when you've allied yourself with these little extremists. Sad to see Putin talk tough about Islamic extremism but uses it to clean up messes and get rid of enemies.
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I cannot believe what I am reading, but I agree with this. Islamic terrorists should not be used to advance an agenda. I agree 110%.
 
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66mAkS1ZfM[/youtube]

Still awaiting Ras and Pacer's responses to this inquiry.
 
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Yes, we've all seen that about a dozen times already. Still not commenting on the Vice video, I see?
 
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