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LouderVol said:
it was happening before isis showed up.

and stop changing the argument. you want to have a discussion on America's sins I join right in, you want to harp on Zionist Israel I am right there with you. Just do so in a thread devoted to it. even though Prof probably likes the thread count
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At the pace this counteroffensive is going, we should take the God thread in last time it took for a bunch of eastern Ukrainian farmers and coal miners to open up a second front near Mariupol last year.

Just like them, we looked beaten down, but, may, how we rise when we have a sacred mission.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Look where Russia is on the Debt-to-GDP chart... I'm sure the sanctions will prove to be succesful.

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ok i must be missing them, while i understand the point you are making if you want to make a comparison to other nations you need to make sure they are on the list (assuming i missed them) even if it is Russia #79 @ 20%.
but i would still say even then i would want to see the comparison to pre-sanctions to post sanctions as the real 'is it working' barometer
 
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Velo Vol said:
False

False

Not forgiven.

As for ISIS, they weren't a major force in the war at the outset. Only after things had already descended to hell in Assad's Syria did they start holding territory.
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John Kerry said on NBC. "We know where this attack came from. We know exactly where it went. We know what happened exactly afterwards." They provided satellite imagery and intercepted radio transmissions.

Here are two MIT reports that prove that the intel couldn't be true.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045-possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.html#storylink=relast

http://web.mit.edu/sts/Analysis%20of%20the%20UN%20Report%20on%20Syria%20CW.pdf
 
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red butler said:
I generally try to ask more questions than make statements anyway.
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So ask yourself this: How is it that ~220,000 people have been killed in, and approaching 4 million people have fled, a nation ruled by a "decent guy"?

Report your findings.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Its funny that we have crystal clear color video of this shooting, but the US is only able to provide blurry black & white still images of alleged Russian equipment on twitter and instagram. If the Russians are that quick to release good quality info, what does that say about the US?
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No comment on the Russian media story I posted earlier? No fuzzy satellite photos from Twitter there.
 
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It will be interesting to see how much more economic pain Putin/Russia can stand. Reported to be down to $200 billion in reserves by end of year. They're burning through their cash at warp speed. Oil prices are crushing them, wages are in a free fall and most economist believe they will be in a serious recession in short order. Their "Central Bank" is throwing everything and the kitchen sink at their economic problems. They have few tools left in the tool box. And now this assassination of an opposition leader. Russians have backed Putin in his move against Ukraine, but I wonder if this confluence of events will start to change their opinion of how smart his moves really were. The U.S. and it's allies should continue to apply even more pressure and watch these Ruskies turn on him like a pack of wild dogs. Although it could get bloody....it is Russia after all.
 
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Burhead said:
So are you saying Serb war crimes in the Yugoslav wars didn't happen?
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I'm not saying there weren't any war crimes committed. I'm just not sure they happened on the scale we were led to believe. I haven't see any evidence of mass genocide where hundreds of thousands of people were killed.
 
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Vol737 said:
It will be interesting to see how much more economic pain Putin/Russia can stand. Reported to be down to $200 billion in reserves by end of year. They're burning through their cash at warp speed. Oil prices are crushing them, wages are in a free fall and most economist believe they will be in a serious recession in short order. Their "Central Bank" is throwing everything and the kitchen sink at their economic problems. They have few tools left in the tool box. And now this assassination of an opposition leader. Russians have backed Putin in his move against Ukrain, but I wonder if this confluence of events will start to change their opinion of how smart his moves really were. The U.S. and it's allies should continue to apply even more pressure and watch these Ruskies turn on him like a pack of wild dogs. Although is could get bloody....it is Russia after all.
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When Putin controls the media and scripts the response and there is no vocal opposition left it becomes difficult to try and change minds. It would take defeats and mass casualties in Ukraine at this point. He's got the mindset back to Soviet days with the older crowd willing to tighten their belt for the love of the motherland. It will take his fringe nationalist friends or one of the few oligarchs behind the scenes to make any changes from within.
 
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red butler said:
I'm not saying there weren't any war crimes committed. I'm just not sure they happened on the scale we were led to believe. I haven't see any evidence of mass genocide where hundreds of thousands of people were killed.
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Srebrenica???
 
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LouderVol said:
ok i must be missing them, while i understand the point you are making if you want to make a comparison to other nations you need to make sure they are on the list (assuming i missed them) even if it is Russia #79 @ 20%.
but i would still say even then i would want to see the comparison to pre-sanctions to post sanctions as the real 'is it working' barometer
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What happenes to a fraction when you put a zero in the numerator?
 
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red butler said:
Here are two MIT reports that prove that the intel couldn't be true.
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Regardless of what a report may have said, people were gassed and died. To add to the tens of thousands of innocent people Assad's government has barrel bombed, shot, starved, tortured, and the like.

Other than that, an all-around decent guy.
 
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Velo Vol said:
So ask yourself this: How is it that ~220,000 people have been killed in, and approaching 4 million people have fled, a nation ruled by a "decent guy"?

Report your findings.
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Estimates are 1/2 million Iraqi's have been killed since we invaded. I would argue that we are a nation of decent people. Wars are ugly, it doesn't matter how decent the leaders are, a lot of people are going to die and be displaced.

Also, we've been providing support to the FSA. Are we not somewhat responsible for those numbers by fueling that war?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Regardless of what a report may have said, people were gassed and died. To add to the tens of thousands of innocent people Assad's government has barrel bombed, shot, starved, tortured, and the like.

Other than that, an all-around decent guy.
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To red's credit, Assad really does sound like a decent guy. I heard him in that BBC interview. I was thinking the whole time: "Wait, this guy doesn't sound like a mass murderer."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What happenes to a fraction when you put a zero in the numerator?
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what?

like 1/4 becoming 10/4? or 01/4? it becomes logically imbalanced and you simplify. or are you saying that you are trying to take a fraction of zero? that will always be zero. if you put it in the denominator then stuff gets serious.

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either way not sure what you are implying. Russia's GDP=0?
 
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red butler said:
Also, we've been providing support to the FSA. Are we not somewhat responsible for those numbers by fueling that war?
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Have we? Too late to change the war.

volprof said:
To red's credit, Assad really does sound like a decent guy. I heard him in that BBC interview. I was thinking the whole time: "Wait, this guy doesn't sound like a mass murderer."
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George Orwell on Hitler: "The fact is there is something deeply appealing about him."
 
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Poroshenko introduced a bill in the Verkhovna Rada to increase the size of the Armed Forces to 240,000.
 
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