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Here is the classic spin move....

The viral media concept is headlines that craft the message. People usually grab a headline and typically the first paragraph or two of the story. And then they run with that being the truth. This is most effective on social media. Most of the crap that gets repeated is based on spun headlines. Few people bother to read the rest and in context.

Headline of this article:

No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine – Hollande

The lead crafts the message that Hollande says there is no proof that Russian hardware is in this region. Russian trolls run with this. The Russian public sees a Western president declaring Russian equipment is NOT in Ukraine counter to the Western media claims. BUT let's look at context in the rest of the article....

“We cannot confirm that Russian tanks had entered Ukraine,” Hollande said.
Earlier on Friday, Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko claimed that some 20 Russian tanks, military hardware and ammunition were seen heading from Russia to the Ukrainian territory.
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Hollande's comments were in regard to a specific incident and NOT in general, across the board during the history of the conflict. In all of Russia's crying about spin and distortion of Western media they fail to admit they use this practice religiously. What they accuse the West of doing and what they claim is wrong is simply a norm for their media. It seems Russian media is no different than the American media they claim is so corrupt.

No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine
 
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Pacer92 said:
Are you that naive to think western Ukraine isn't an extension of the US controlled NATO now?!
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this does nothing, NOTHING. to answer my question. answer how did the US break this latest round of ceasefires? did we Tomahawk some civilian library? B2 Ukrainian troops in Debaltseve? Put a sabot round through a school bus?

and considering that we still have not given them arms, no i don't consider them part of NATO.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Here is the classic spin move....

The viral media concept is headlines that craft the message. People usually grab a headline and typically the first paragraph or two of the story. And then they run with that being the truth. This is most effective on social media. Most of the crap that gets repeated is based on spun headlines. Few people bother to read the rest and in context.

Headline of this article:

No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine – Hollande

The lead crafts the message that Hollande says there is no proof that Russian hardware is in this region. Russian trolls run with this. The Russian public sees a Western president declaring Russian equipment is NOT in Ukraine counter to the Western media claims. BUT let's look at context in the rest of the article....



Hollande's comments were in regard to a specific incident and NOT in general, across the board during the history of the conflict. In all of Russia's crying about spin and distortion of Western media they fail to admit they use this practice religiously. What they accuse the West of doing and what they claim is wrong is simply a norm for their media. It seems Russian media is no different than the American media they claim is so corrupt.

No Evidence of Russian Military Hardware Presence in Ukraine
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I've seen reports that claim as many as 11,000 Russian regulars and 250 tanks in e Ukraine.....you'd think it wouldn't be a task to prove?!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Same way the kremlin supposedly does!

All MSM is govt controlled..
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The Kremlin owns all the Russian sources you and Ras keep repeating. So if government control is bad why do you still insist on believing it and quoting it regardless if it is Russian or American government? Is Russian government trustworthy? Somehow Russian government does not lie?
 
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Prof, you might get your desire here pretty quick. We are catching up quickly to the heathens in the God thread.
 
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LouderVol said:
Prof, you might get your desire here pretty quick. We are catching up quickly to the heathens in the God thread.
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I'm all about force and power projection. There is no reason why this thread should not lead VolNation Politics Forum.

Call me a Ukraine Thread exceptionalist.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
The Kremlin owns all the Russian sources you and Ras keep repeating. So if government control is bad why do you still insist on believing it and quoting it regardless if it is Russian or American government? Is Russian government trustworthy? Somehow Russian government does not lie?
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Because of the "proof" that's out there, it points directly at the US! MSM fabrications without "proof" don't count..
 
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Pacer92 said:
I've seen reports that claim as many as 11,000 Russian regulars and 250 tanks in e Ukraine.....you'd think it wouldn't be a task to prove?!
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I think the Russian NGO's have proven some of those. POW videos you seem to ignore. Tank types unavailable to anyone but Russia. Beside taking a census of roaming combat units there is plenty of proof of large numbers out there. Two dozen Chechens on video screaming Allahu Akhbar during the Donetsk airport siege and others are good snapshots indicating this is the case. I know you guys just hate the photos of patches and markings but mass amounts of uniforms all with specialized/elite unit markings are not just at army/navy surplus stores. To date neither one of you have explained how all of these only available Russian goods are in the hands of so many in a neighboring nation. The DNR shows a picture of some semi-auto AR-15 and goes off with claims the US is arming Ukraine and Russian media repeats it. Meanwhile floods of videos and pictures of Russian goods shows up and we're still in denial.
 
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volprof said:
I'm all about force and power projection. There is no reason why this thread should not lead VolNation Politics Forum.

Call me a Ukraine Thread exceptionalist.
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whats more impressive is how few of us have carried the fight. of course when Dizzy joined, it was kicked up a notch.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Because of the "proof" that's out there, it points directly at the US! MSM fabrications without "proof" don't count..
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Your "proof" is either discredited conspiracy nutters or Putin's government owned media. Putin crafted media is gospel truth but anything from the West is false and all connected to Obama's spin. Um, sure. All these independent sources as well as all the world media, even media that hates Obama and America are all in collusion with Obama to forge facts and form a unified message. Credible theory. The Guardian which is on record for completely calling out American foreign policy as well as Obama is in on the act as well?

I guess I need to just give up on what I saw firsthand and trust Putin. Why should I bother? What I saw was not what I saw. Putin is right. I should trust him as well as the fascists of the world who collectively meet with the DNR/LNR leaders and back the same narrative. I need to deny my free and independent roots and just join the groupthink. Hail Putin and all the fascists that love and adore him.
 
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LouderVol said:
whats more impressive is how few of us have carried the fight. of course when Dizzy joined, it was kicked up a notch.
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How do you think me and Ras feel?!

We are outnumbered, but will keep on keeping on...

That's what makes this thread special...amirite?! :p
 
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LouderVol said:
whats more impressive is how few of us have carried the fight. of course when Dizzy joined, it was kicked up a notch.
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We're a small force, that's for sure, but our technological sophistication is top-notch and gives us unparalleled advantages on this forum.
 
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Pacer92 said:
How do you think me and Ras feel?!

We are outnumbered, but will keep on keeping on...

That's what makes this thread special...amirite?! :p
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until you're no longer useful to Putin, when that happens, it's off to Lefortovo for both of you
 
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