Ukraine Protests

[Rasputin_Vol]

Here's the original article:

German, French leaders take Ukraine peace plan to Moscow | Reuters



Which doesn't bypass Obama, but forces his hand.

Again, why are we getting (more) involved in this? Let Germany and te rest of Europe handle this.

 

[Grand Vol]

Again, why are we getting (more) involved in this? Let Germany and te rest of Europe handle this.

I'm sure the same question could be asked of Russia and Putin.

 

[Pacer92]

US Government Loaded with Psychopathic Morons - English pravda.ru

 

[LouderVol]

Again, why are we getting (more) involved in this? Let Germany and te rest of Europe handle this.

step back and look at it from our side. call it a hypothetical situation if you must. Putin is Hitler 2.0, he IS taking back 'native Russian' lands, he is talking anti-everyone else and very Russian Imperialistic, he is oppressing his people (LGBT and cripples). Now the rest of the world sees this, and is being called to protect Ukraine and other near-Russian nations are calling for reassurance (Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Finland). how do you respond? do you sit back and wait for it to go from bad to worse like we did with Hitler, or do you do everything in your power to stop WWIII before it starts? (sans nukes) remember this is a hypothetical and you are placing yourself in the shoes of people who see Russia as the enemy. now what do you do? do you sit on the sidelines and let it go from bad to worse knowing what will likely happen?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm sure the same question could be asked of Russia and Putin.

Ethnic Russians in the area, Crimea and all of this destabilization is occuring right at their doorstep.

Now why is the US over there?

 

[volprof]

US Government Loaded with Psychopathic Morons - English pravda.ru

It's amusing how much the US gets under their skin.

The genocide in the Donbass, perpetrated by "stupid American filth." haha!

 

[Grand Vol]

Ethnic Russians in the area, Crimea and all of this destabilization is occuring right at their doorstep.

Now why is the US over there?

There are ethnic Russians in NYC. Should Putin occupy that to make sure it's safe?

 

[Velo Vol]

2015 National Security Strategy

NATO is stronger and more cohesive than at any point in
its history

OK.

 

[Burhead]

Again, why are we getting (more) involved in this? Let Germany and te rest of Europe handle this.

If we let Germany handle it they will partition Ukraine without Ukraine agreeing to it.

 

[volprof]

There are ethnic Russians in NYC. Should Putin occupy that to make sure it's safe?

And, by association, NYC is on Russia's doorstep as well, since Alaska shares a maritime border with the Russian Far East.

 

[volprof]

2015 National Security Strategy



OK.

I didn't see anything in there about blowing up Russia and taking its natural resources.

Doesn't get a like from me.

 

[Pacer92]

There are ethnic Russians in NYC. Should Putin occupy that to make sure it's safe?

If they were being treated like those of E Ukraine, by all means..

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There are ethnic Russians in NYC. Should Putin occupy that to make sure it's safe?

NYC doesn't border Russia.

Why is the US over there?

 

[Velo Vol]

If we let Germany handle it they will partition Ukraine without Ukraine agreeing to it.

Too soon.

 

[Burhead]

If they were being treated like those of E Ukraine, by all means..

lol

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If we let Germany handle it they will partition Ukraine without Ukraine agreeing to it.

What are you talking about? Kiev would have to be involved in the agreement.

 

[Grand Vol]

What are you talking about? Kiev would have to be involved in the agreement.

I keep telling you to study history more...

 

[Velo Vol]

Germany and Russia partitioning a third country in a secret "peace agreement"--what could go wrong?

 

[Grand Vol]

NYC doesn't border Russia.

Why is the US over there?

NYC doesn't border Russia, you are correct. But at the same time how far can Putin go before there are no more "ethnic Russians" on his doorstep?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I keep telling you to study history more...

Why is any of this our concern again? Why were we even over there in 2013?

I still can't get an answer to that question.

 

[lawgator1]

SIAP

Pentagon 2008 study claims Putin has Asperger's syndrome

Perhaps we need to merge this thread with the vaccine thread?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

NYC doesn't border Russia, you are correct. But at the same time how far can Putin go before there are no more "ethnic Russians" on his doorstep?

Again, you have no evidence, nor has Putin offered any indication that his goal is to march through Europe on some kind of neo-Red Empire campaign.

The only ones on this planet that have the ability to do that would be the United States.

 

[Velo Vol]

Why is any of this our concern again? Why were we even over there in 2013?

"We" weren't and aren't over there.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Germany and Russia partitioning a third country in a secret "peace agreement"--what could go wrong?

Why are you mocking a diplomatic solution to a problem that will include Ukraine?

Would you rather this situation be settled on the battlefield?

 

[Grand Vol]

"We" weren't and aren't over there.

Well, technically we are. And being that we fought two World Wars and had to keep the Soviets on their side of the wall for another 40 years afterwards, we do have a vested interest in the security of Europe.

It's pretty much what friends do for smaller and weaker friends. We help protect them.