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Velo Vol said:
Sure. The "good guy."

Russian military provided MH17 missile launcher, says report

[Everyone put on your surprised face over this]
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London: There is strong evidence that the missile launcher that shot down flight MH17 was provided by the Russian military, a long, crowd-sourced investigation into the tragedy has concluded.
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Really... a crowd-sourced investigation? Why can't we get the official investigation findings from the Ukraine, Australia, Denmark and Belgium? Oh, I know why... :unsure:

The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement” | Global Research

In the framework of the 4-country agreement signed on 8 August between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster will remain classified.

This was confirmed at a briefing in Kiev under the auspices of the office of the Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko. In his words, the results of the investigation will be published once completed only if a consensus agreement of all parties that have signed the agreement prevails.
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johndoevol said:
College is a place where your indoctrinatiion gets completed.


The real info will not be found in college.
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but the interwebs will set you free. with so much peer supported reviews and where actual documents, evidence and citations don't matter. It's all one form or another of control, you just pick your poison and hope it isn't the most lethal.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Really... a crowd-sourced investigation? Why can't we get the official investigation findings from the Ukraine, Australia, Denmark and Belgium? Oh, I know why... :unsure:

The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement” | Global Research
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just curious to see your response, but with if those four countries, and their 'American Masters' are classifying it in order to 'cover up' Russia's involvement just so it doesn't lead to war?
 
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LouderVol said:
just curious to see your response, but with if those four countries, and their 'American Masters' are classifying it in order to 'cover up' Russia's involvement just so it doesn't lead to war?
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If these clownns really had a smoking gun and bread crumb trails that lead to Russia, you and I know full well that they would have been waving that evidence out here in the streets and through the media. They`ve already gone as far as to blame Russia/Russian rebels for shooting down the plane, yet the only evidence that they offered were some posts on Twitter/social media and some fuzzy black & white photos from the 1970`s.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If these clownns really had a smoking gun and bread crumb trails that lead to Russia, you and I know full well that they would have been waving that evidence out here in the streets and through the media. They`ve already gone as far as to blame Russia/Russian rebels for shooting down the plane, yet the only evidence that they offered were some posts on Twitter/social media and some fuzzy black & white photos from the 1970`s.
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whatever this administrations problems are, i think they are one of the first to act on the truth that America can't afford another war. They have gone out of their way, or in my books finally doing their job, to get other nations involved to help, or at least getting other nations to say they will help in the region, all the nations 'helping' vs ISIS, and the firming up alliances with a lot of the Baltic/eastern European nations, so that don't do all of it; listened to other nations, Russia saying Syria didn't do the chemicals, to minimize the American tendency to jump all over an over reaction and start blowing someone else up. There are still the other interests in this nation pushing for that all out war, but some calmer heads still hold the reigns.

and those fuzzy b&w photos were enough in the cold war to determine nukes were heading to cuba, just because there is better technology doesn't mean the old tech can't get it done.

me personally, I don't think we should be involved, and that we aren't. Mostly because this nation can not afford another war.
 
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The world just became a better place.

Russia launches foreign news service to fight West's 'propaganda'

Russia launched a new state-funded foreign news service Monday to challenge the "aggressive propaganda" of the West and provide an "alternative interpretation" of global events.

The new media brand, Sputnik, is the reworked foreign language service of the state-owned RIA Novosti news agency and Voice of Russia radio, which underwent a major rehaul last December under the leadership of notorious anchorman Dmitry Kiselyov.

Launching Sputnik before an audience including diplomats and government officials, Kiselyov said the new outlet will propagate a "multi-coloured" world where "Russia is Russian."

"We are against aggressive propaganda that is now being fed to the world and which forces a unipolar construction of the world," he said.
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Dave1967 said:
It would probably be more trustworthy than NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN or MSNBC
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Anything would be more trustworthy than these outlets. Do not believe for a second that these aren't "state controlled" as well. This is the biggest weapon the US/EU have in their ongoing attempt to destabilize Russia.

Whoever controls the media, controls the mind..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Anything would be more trustworthy than these outlets. Do not believe for a second that these aren't "state controlled" as well. This is the biggest weapon the US/EU have in their ongoing attempt to destabilize Russia.

Whoever controls the media, controls the mind..
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You're correct:good!: I could add the CBC(Canadian Broadcasting Company) and the BBC to that list.
 
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Dave1967 said:
You're correct:good!: I could add the CBC(Canadian Broadcasting Company) and the BBC to that list.
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Indeed! There's a reason ALL of these media outlets jump the gun and immediately point the finger at Russia before any REAL evidence comes out....in every situation!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Anything would be more trustworthy than these outlets. Do not believe for a second that these aren't "state controlled" as well. This is the biggest weapon the US/EU have in their ongoing attempt to destabilize Russia.

Whoever controls the media, controls the mind..
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I think what you mistake for "state-controlled" media is largely the corporate sensationalization of the news. "If it bleeds, it leads" sort of thing. I don't know that it's nearly as politically-minded as, say, a RT (with the exceptions of Fox and MsNBC). And only the most biased of people take MsNBC and Fox seriously. You can't look at RT's selection of news coverage and its infamous "Op-Edge" and tell me with a straight face that it is not a politically-motivated source.
 
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volprof said:
I think what you mistake for "state-controlled" media is largely the corporate sensationalization of the news. "If it bleeds, it leads" sort of thing. I don't know that it's nearly as politically-minded as, say, a RT (with the exceptions of Fox and MsNBC). And only the most biased of people take MsNBC and Fox seriously. You can't look at RT's selection of news coverage and its infamous "Op-Edge" and tell me with a straight face that it is not a politically-motivated source.
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There is no doubt in my mind that RT is politically motivated. I'll give you that. Fox and MsNBC are definitely politically motivated. I'm saying all of the WM sources are in cahoots....maybe not promoting the US/EU agenda as much, rather falsely accusing or exaggerating Russia's agenda.
 
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Pacer92 said:
There is no doubt in my mind that RT is politically motivated. I'll give you that. Fox and MsNBC are definitely politically motivated. I'm saying all of the WM sources are in cahoots....maybe not promoting the US/EU agenda as much, rather falsely accusing or exaggerating Russia's agenda.
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Probably so, but I think that's largely a sensationalism for ratings and not necessarily a state-influenced agenda.
 
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volprof said:
Probably so, but I think that's largely a sensationalism for ratings and not necessarily a state-influenced agenda.
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this, they run too many hours of cute internet videos to run a true state influenced agenda. of course we could argue the definition of influence for days, but in this case direct intervention.
 
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volprof said:
I thought this was the function of English-language RT anyhow.
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Must not be hardcore enough.

Pacer92 said:
I'm saying all of the WM sources are in cahoots....maybe not promoting the US/EU agenda as much, rather falsely accusing or exaggerating Russia's agenda.
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How are they in cahoots? Do they have planning sessions where they decide what everyone will report?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Must not be hardcore enough.



How are they in cahoots? Do they have planning sessions where they decide what everyone will report?
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You're not far off! These media moguls all push US agenda or they're not in business for long. I do believe there is a sharing and editing of all media that the US people get that pushes the agenda..

Don't they all demonize and isolate Russia by the usual falsely reporting of Russian wrongdoings and motives without evidence?

And don't the majority of these supposed reports of Russian "aggression" usually just disappear like a fart in the wind because of the LACK of evidence?

They don't care if you are I are skeptical if no evidence is brought forward later on, because of the amount of seeds that have been sown..
 
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Pacer92 said:
You're not far off! These media moguls all push US agenda or they're not in business for long. I do believe there is a sharing and editing of all media that the US people get that pushes the agenda..

Don't they all demonize and isolate Russia by the usual falsely reporting of Russian wrongdoings and motives without evidence?

And don't the majority of these supposed reports of Russian "aggression" usually just disappear like a fart in the wind because of the LACK of evidence?

They don't care if you are I are skeptical if no evidence is brought forward later on, because of the amount of seeds that have been sown..
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Again, I think is is more a matter of media sensationalism than actual state control.
 
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volprof said:
Again, I think is is more a matter of media sensationalism than actual state control.
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You have to admit that it's odd when every media outlet comes out with the same talking point at the same time. Like the phrase "vast right wing conspiracy" became a phrase every news outlet used on the same day. It gives the appearance that someone is coordinating it.
 
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volprof said:
Again, I think is is more a matter of media sensationalism than actual state control.
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I'll agree that us defending the world against Russia's aggressive agenda gains greater tv ratings and sells more USATodays rather than promoting our own contradictory one..
 
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red butler said:
You have to admit that it's odd when every media outlet comes out with the same talking point at the same time. Like the phrase "vast right wing conspiracy" became a phrase every news outlet used on the same day. It gives the appearance that someone is coordinating it.
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probably because most of them are owned/funded by the same people.
 
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red butler said:
You have to admit that it's odd when every media outlet comes out with the same talking point at the same time. Like the phrase "vast right wing conspiracy" became a phrase every news outlet used on the same day. It gives the appearance that someone is coordinating it.
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LouderVol said:
probably because most of them are owned/funded by the same people.
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Taking into account that almost all news outlets probably monitor every other news outlet in real timeso as not to be scooped, it isn't surprising at all that they all seem to be in lockstep.
 
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