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Oh dear.

Thousands also demonstrated in St. Petersburg and other Russian cities on September 21 against what they say is a covert Russian war in eastern Ukraine.

According to SONAR, an independent monitoring group that counted protesters passing through security checkpoints, more than 26,000 gathered for the Moscow march.
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in a completely unrelated event 26,000 Russians were detained and never heard from again.

in before false flag, CIA, etc etc.
 
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Pacer92 said:
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Serious question......do you really believe thàt Russia is supplying arms to Donetsk and Lugansk, behind this unrest??
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Where else do you think these "rebels" (reality is they are Russian soldiers) are getting these advanced weapon systems?
 
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Burhead said:
Where else do you think these "rebels" (reality is they are Russian soldiers) are getting these advanced weapon systems?
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I'm sorry but your vision and mine aren't one in the same. Reality probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Are you referring to the Buk missle system that "supposedly" shot down MH117?
 
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Pacer92 said:
I'm sorry but your vision and mine aren't one in the same. Reality probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Are you referring to the Buk missle system that "supposedly" shot down MH117?
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Not just that; where are they getting T-62s, T-72s, BTRs, BMPs, Grad MLRS, artillery pieces, etc etc? If you can explain how they are legitimately getting such weapon systems from a source other than Russia than I might be willing to believe you.
 
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Burhead said:
Not just that; where are they getting T-62s, T-72s, BTRs, BMPs, Grad MLRS, artillery pieces, etc etc? If you can explain how they are legitimately getting such weapon systems from a source other than Russia than I might be willing to believe you.
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This stuff is all over Ukraine since it was a part of the USSR. Sevastopol has never ceased in being a base/port for the Russian Federation.

Long story short....I'm just not a believer in what US media puts out. We (USA) are more responsible for the unrest in Ukraine than the Russians. Jmo
 
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Pacer92 said:
This stuff is all over Ukraine since it was a part of the USSR. Sevastopol has never ceased in being a base/port for the Russian Federation.

Long story short....I'm just not a believer in what US media puts out. We (USA) are more responsible for the unrest in Ukraine than the Russians. Jmo
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So how are we to blame for the Russian war against the Ukrainian state when we, and our allies, have not shipped a single weapon system to the Ukrainian government?
 
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Burhead said:
So how are we to blame for the Russian war against the Ukrainian state when we, and our allies, have not shipped a single weapon system to the Ukrainian government?
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Show me a single proof that the Russian govt has sent one piece of equipment to the rebels in E Ukraine besides a made up 10 sec clip of a Buk middle launcher or something on twitter??? They haven't!

The biggest weapon the US uses against it's enemy and it's own people is that of propaganda thru mass media..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Show me a single proof that the Russian govt has sent one piece of equipment to the rebels in E Ukraine besides a made up 10 sec clip of a Buk middle launcher or something on twitter??? They haven't!

The biggest weapon the US uses against it's enemy and it's own people is that of propaganda thru mass media..
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There's about 500-1,000 or so mothers/wives of dead Russian servicemen from the Southern and Western military districts that would probably disagree with you.
 
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volprof said:
There's about 500-1,000 or so mothers/wives of dead Russian servicemen from the Southern and Western military districts that would probably disagree with you.
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Undoubtedly you got this from CNN, BBC or Rueters.

This is my point exactly! And it's a downright lie!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Undoubtedly you got this from CNN, BBC or Rueters.

This is my point exactly! And it's a downright lie!
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How did I know you would type this? Yes let's just use the Russian media, which is a strong bastion of freedom of speech, just go hang out with Ras and save us all the trouble.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Undoubtedly you got this from CNN, BBC or Rueters.

This is my point exactly! And it's a downright lie!
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No, I got it from watching videos across the Internet of Russian women crying and storming local military stations, wondering where in the heck their sons/husbands are.
 
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Burhead said:
How did I know you would type this? Yes let's just use the Russian media, which is a strong bastion of freedom of speech, just go hang out with Ras and save us all the trouble.
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Because my mind isn't controlled by the propaganda and lying of the US and western media like most.

Keep reading and watching it! You guys will find those WMD's that Sadaam had and the chemical weapons that Asaad used on his own people. They only exist in your mind so our govt can exploit and victimize any country it likes.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Because my mind isn't controlled by the propaganda and lying of the US and western media like most.

Keep reading and watching it! You guys will find those WMD's that Sadaam had and the chemical weapons that Asaad used on his own people. They only exist in your mind so our govt can exploit and victimize any country it likes.
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First off I was against the Iraq war but since you brought up Saddam didn't have WMDs, do you deny that Iraq used chemical warfare during the Iran-Iraq War and against the Kurds?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Because my mind isn't controlled by the propaganda and lying of the US and western media like most.

Keep reading and watching it! You guys will find those WMD's that Sadaam had and the chemical weapons that Asaad used on his own people. They only exist in your mind so our govt can exploit and victimize any country it likes.
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The only country victimizing anyone in this conflict is one that illegally annexed sovereign territory of it's neighbor, destabilized it's neighbor by arming, training, and funding terrorists, and than basically gave the finger to the world and invaded it's peaceful neighbor to ensure it's dominance over the East of Ukraine. That country is not the United States, nor the West, but the tin-pot wannabe dictator in the Kremlin.
 
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Burhead said:
The only country victimizing anyone in this conflict is one that illegally annexed sovereign territory of it's neighbor, destabilized it's neighbor by arming, training, and funding terrorists, and than basically gave the finger to the world and invaded it's peaceful neighbor to ensure it's dominance over the East of Ukraine. That country is not the United States, nor the West, but the tin-pot wannabe dictator in the Kremlin.
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For a minute there I thought you were talking about Syria, but then you mentioned the Ukraine. I thought I was in the wrong thread.
 
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UN inspectors went into Iraq and found no evidence of WMDs but we went in anyway without the consent of most of the world. We had an agenda to remove Sadaam just like we do with Asaad in Syria. We will stop at nothing to accomplish these things, including continuously lying to the American people.

For the record....I don't think Sadaam gassed the Kurds or the Iranians. Jmo
 
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