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Rasputin_Vol said:
I read bits and pieces of it... how this guy Timothy Snyder tried to (clumsily) contort and force some narrative that connects dots between the Bolsheviks, Nazis and Poland to what is happening 75 years later in Ukraine.

BTW, there is little doubt in my mind why this guy would want to make the Russians the losers and agitators in this fiasco. I did a bio search on this Timothy Snyder guy and I would have bet you $100 after read portions of that piece that he was somehow connected or had a bias in this. Sure enough, what do you know...

Timothy D. Snyder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I had just spent five to ten minutes posting a response and then accidentally did something to erase my post. Dear god. I don't feel like typing out this crap again. Maybe I'll feel like it later on.

Anyhow, one thing I did want to mention in my earlier post (that I somehow deleted) is that the historical Rasputin at least had a big penis. Putin is trying hard, but I don't know that he will measure up. In fact, I highly doubt it.
 
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What was the point in that? I don't think you could vote with your face covered in the US either as most areas require a photo Id.
 
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There seems to be a massive attack on an airport in Donetsk involving jets/attack helicopters and Ukrainian paratroopers.
 
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Burhead said:
There seems to be a massive attack on an airport in Donetsk involving jets/attack helicopters and Ukrainian paratroopers.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3PosNUw2wc[/youtube]

Is this for real? [Don't read Russian too well]

Citing a 1941 #WWII #Stalin decree, #Russian terrorists issue death warrants for 2 deserters/looters
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CNN/BBC reporting somewhere around 40 dead (including a few civilians) at the Donestk Airport, while RT reporting possibly as many as 100. I just don't think there's any going back. Whether or not Russia gets involved will be a question that continues to persist, but I see no immediate end to the insurgency. No matter what Kiev does, I think the pro-Russian side probably believes that too much blood has been spilled now. If you spill enough though, I suppose it's possible to come to your senses.
 
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Those protesters in Donetsk have been sopping up the Russian propaganda big time.

Kind of scary, actually.
 
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volprof said:
Chechens.

https://news.vice.com/video/bullets-not-ballots-in-donetsk-russian-roulette-dispatch-42

Perhaps they just like blowing **** up, which is the only reason I can think of for them being there. But, then again, there are more things in heaven and earth....
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False flag... send in "Chechens" and "al Qaeda" radicals and stir up as much trouble as possible to make Putin have to make a decision that he doesn't want to do. Why in the world would the Chechens have a interest in helping either side of this conflict?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
False flag... send in "Chechens" and "al Qaeda" radicals and stir up as much trouble as possible to make Putin have to make a decision that he doesn't want to do. Why in the world would the Chechens have a interest in helping either side of this conflict?
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Except Vostok and Zapad were ethnic Chechen battalions under the direction of Russian GRU. Basically everything bad on the Russian flag is false flags or paid for by the West it seems. They can do no wrong in your crazy little world.
 
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Didn't think it was thread worthy, so I just figured I'd post here. I'm watching a special series on the World Wars on History (yeah, they still do actual historical programs on occasion). I knew Lenin had returned to Russia from Germany during the First World War. I did not know, however, that the German government had basically sent him back with what would be 10 million US dollars today in order to support his campaign, fund him, Stalin, and the gang with weapons, and subvert the Russian war effort in the East.

Talk about decisions that would come back to bite you in the ass. Jeez. That's worse than us and the mujihadeen in Afghanistan.
 
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vol4eva said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO6p0eZV17Y#t=18

Russian thugs terrorizing a polling station and attacking a peaceful Pro-Ukrainian lady. Who are the fascists again?
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Thugs the lot of them. It is scary how pro-Russian propaganda has truly taken root there. They truly believe they are fighting fascists in some great struggle. This is also why any sort of nationalism is dangerous.
 
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Burhead said:
Thugs the lot of them. It is scary how pro-Russian propaganda has truly taken root there. They truly believe they are fighting fascists in some great struggle. This is also why any sort of nationalism is dangerous.
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And Russians are the best at it. I mentioned a couple weeks ago about a new camp to house/feed migrant workers and immigrants in eastern Ukraine. Through the aid of Russian media, the local ethnic Russian population and Russians across the border honest to god believe that it's being built as a concentration camp (Nazi style) to commit genocide against them. The OSCE (or some similar international group) went there and said everything was normal according to European standards for such camps.

It's hard to imagine being that brain dead, but you also have to consider who you're dealing with. If it wasn't the Mongol or the Tatar, it was the Tsar. If it wasn't the Tsar, it was the Bolsheviks and the communists. If it wasn't the Bolsheviks and the communists, it was the Nazis, and if it wasn't the Nazis or the Bolsheviks, it was Yeltsin and Putin (emphasis on the latter). This is a part of the world that has always been ruled by the lash, whether Oriental-style despotism or European-style autocracy. Russians are often fiercely independent in nature regarding their national sentiments (a remnant of the Cossack, I suppose), but as far as I can tell, self-autonomy in the individual sense of that term (and not applied to a mass) has never gained much ground there. May never do so.
 
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Velo Vol said:
The Kremlin’s Crazy Shock Troops
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If Rifleman is rather a tragic character, his ally Alexander “Babay” Mozhayev is more comic. Babay is the Russian equivalent of “bogeyman,” and when you see this robust 37-year-old man with a beard as thick as ZZ Top and a big fur hat, you’ll know why. Babay is a poorly educated bumpkin from the Russian provinces. When Moscow started Crimea annexation he came to the peninsula, because, as he said, he was wanted by the Russian police for attempted murder. “I did not have enough money to bribe the judge, so I decided to become a mercenary,” Mozhayev told a local reporter.
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Good god. That's the same clown that Ostrovsky interviewed right before he was kidnapped for an entire week.

And a Chuck Connors this Rifleman is not.
 
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Burhead said:
Thugs the lot of them. It is scary how pro-Russian propaganda has truly taken root there. They truly believe they are fighting fascists in some great struggle. This is also why any sort of nationalism is dangerous.
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In the Vice video above there's a clip of a woman almost in tears as she talks about how these masked gunmen are protecting their land against the fascists (i.e., her government).

What does she think these mercenaries (or whatever they are) are going to do for her?
 
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Velo Vol said:
In the Vice video above there's a clip of a woman almost in tears as she talks about how these masked gunmen are protecting their land against the fascists (i.e., her government).

What does she think these mercenaries (or whatever they are) are going to do for her?
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This crisis has brought back conversations concerning whether or not this means a new Cold War, or even if it ever ended. Honestly, after seeing how things have gone in East Ukraine, I think the better question is whether or not we ever stopped fighting World War II.
 
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Russia toughens up punishment for separatist ideas

New legislation introduced by Andrei Klishas, head of the Federation Council's committee on constitutional legislation, seeks to increase the maximum punishment from three to four years imprisonment for "public calls for actions violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation." The bill also adds lesser punishments including arrest for up to six months and compulsory work for up to three years.
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You can't make this up.
 
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volprof said:
This crisis has brought back conversations concerning whether or not this means a new Cold War, or even if it ever ended. Honestly, after seeing how things have gone in East Ukraine, I think the better question is whether or not we ever stopped fighting World War II.
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The hostility shown now isn't something that could have popped up in the last six months.

Frankly, I wasn't paying attention before Maidan, so I'm wondering how the country seemingly held together so well for the last 20 years.
 
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