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volprof said:
The Armata apparently stalled out at the White House as well.

http://rt.com/news/256753-russian-tanks-white-house/
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thats actually pretty awesome.
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hmm, seems to support that the US isn't involved. and also why would NATO care about Ukraine? are they part of it? seems like everything is as it should.
 
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Burhead said:
The article mentioned the 27 million Russian dead. What about the 95,000 French, 383,800 British, and 407,000 Americans that died? Heck I'm not even including other Allied powers and those who fought against the Germans at the start of the war. Why are Russian dead so much more special and deserving?
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Because without the soviets, they'd be celebrating Hitlers birthday in most of Europe every spring.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Because without the soviets, they'd be celebrating Hitlers birthday in most of Europe every spring.
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Even without the Russians the Allied Powers would have beaten the Germans. It would have just taken longer to achieve.
 
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Burhead said:
Even without the Russians the Allied Powers would have beaten the Germans. It would have just taken longer to achieve.
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No way, no how, sans using A bombs, which would've been developed by Germany eventually as well.

Had Germany concentrated all of it's manpower and resources on the west and Russia never got involved....no way IMO.
 
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Pacer92 said:
No way, no how, sans using A bombs, which would've been developed by Germany eventually as well.

Had Germany concentrated all of it's manpower and resources on the west and Russia never got involved....no way IMO.
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Air power. Germans didn't have enough of it to stop us. Would have cost a lot more but air power won that war un The European theater at least, for both fronts.
 
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Pacer92 said:
No way, no how, sans using A bombs, which would've been developed by Germany eventually as well.

Had Germany concentrated all of it's manpower and resources on the west and Russia never got involved....no way IMO.
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Germany couldn't even beat Great Britain when they had absolutely no allies (aside from the Commonwealth) and when the Nazis were at their highest point. They held off the Germans for about year prior to them even starting Barbarossa. The Germans were never going to win the Second World War because they simply didn't posses the necessary manpower to do so. Over the entire war the Germans enrolled 18.2 million soldiers. Without even factoring in partisans, the British Empire alone fielded 17.843 personnel and the US 16,353,639. There was no way the Wehrmacht would have been able to sustain itself even against a war between just the United States and the British Empire. Now add in partisan activity in the occupied zones and German manpower became even more stretched thin while facing off against the Arsenal of Democracy.
 
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LouderVol said:
Air power. Germans didn't have enough of it to stop us. Would have cost a lot more but air power won that war un The European theater at least, for both fronts.
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Both the war in Europe and the Pacific would have went on longer than the real timeline but eventually the Allied (see American) industrial capacity and manpower advantages would have eventually won the day.
 
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Pacer92 said:
No way, no how, sans using A bombs, which would've been developed by Germany eventually as well.

Had Germany concentrated all of it's manpower and resources on the west and Russia never got involved....no way IMO.
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All I know is when I'm playing Axis & Allies as Germany, I know within the first 5 rounds how it's going to go. If I take the first few Russian cities with enough combat power left over to pressure Moscow, I'm good to go. If I get held up in the east on the first few turns, it's going to be a long game.
 
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Burhead said:
Germany couldn't even beat Great Britain when they had absolutely no allies (aside from the Commonwealth) and when the Nazis were at their highest point. They held off the Germans for about year prior to them even starting Barbarossa. The Germans were never going to win the Second World War because they simply didn't posses the necessary manpower to do so. Over the entire war the Germans enrolled 18.2 million soldiers. Without even factoring in partisans, the British Empire alone fielded 17.843 personnel and the US 16,353,639. There was no way the Wehrmacht would have been able to sustain itself even against a war between just the United States and the British Empire. Now add in partisan activity in the occupied zones and German manpower became even more stretched thin while facing off against the Arsenal of Democracy.
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Air power alone would not defeat the Germans fighting on one front, just as the German air power couldn't defeat the Brits. Without a land invasion of mainland Europe, the destruction of the German empire would've been impossible.

Had Germany and it's allies concentrated only on defending their territory prior to Barbarossa, then I see no way the Brits and Americans alone could've achieved this outside an atomic bomb.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Air power alone would not defeat the Germans fighting on one front, just as the German air power couldn't defeat the Brits. Without a land invasion of mainland Europe, the destruction of the German empire would've been impossible.

Had Germany and it's allies concentrated only on defending their territory prior to Barbarossa, then I see no way the Brits and Americans alone could've achieved this outside an atomic bomb.
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Funny.

Because history tells me the British, standing alone for a year against both the Italians and the Germans were kicking @ss up and down North Africa and in the Mediterranean as a whole.

Or, have you already forgotten that your Soviets signed a deal that put them as tenuous allies with the Germans to split Poland up... which they then took over and summarily slaughtered the entire intelligentsia of.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Air power alone would not defeat the Germans fighting on one front, just as the German air power couldn't defeat the Brits. Without a land invasion of mainland Europe, the destruction of the German empire would've been impossible.

Had Germany and it's allies concentrated only on defending their territory prior to Barbarossa, then I see no way the Brits and Americans alone could've achieved this outside an atomic bomb.
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D-Day would still have happened as would the Italian landings. Again the Allies would have landed on continental Europe eventually no matter the defensive plans of the Germans. It would have been a much slower and bloodier pace than the RL timeline but like in RL the Germans couldn't sustain the constant combat losses.

agent|orange said:
Funny.

Because history tells me the British, standing alone for a year against both the Italians and the Germans were kicking @ss up and down North Africa and in the Mediterranean as a whole.

Or, have you already forgotten that your Soviets signed a deal that put them as tenuous allies with the Germans to split Poland up... which they then took over and summarily slaughtered the entire intelligentsia of.
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Or the forceful annexations of the Baltic's or the attempted annexation of Finland. I mean I could go on and on about how bad the Soviets were. I didn't even mention the Ukrainian genocide.
 
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Burhead said:
Or the forceful annexations of the Baltic's or the attempted annexation of Finland. I mean I could go on and on about how bad the Soviets were. I didn't even mention the Ukrainian genocide.
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"All Ukrainians are Russians" ....

because you committed a massive ethnic cleansing and genocide on all of the actual Ukrainians in the 30s.
 
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You guys have no clue!!! 80% of German manpower and weaponry was on the eastern front when DDay and the Italian landing occurred.
 
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