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CSpindizzy said:
Oh it means quite a bit when your alleged warmongering nations are shrinking their budgets and military sizes while Putin goes the exact opposite direction. Not to mention Putin has stated his intent to increase in the nuclear arena. As we've seen and you and Ras have pointed out, this "28" is not unified. This puts a damper on your own argument. Hardly a posture of an aggressive group. Aggressors do not shrink military sizes, budgets, and nuclear arsenals. The West goes one way, Russia goes the other.

Russia faces an economic crisis and rather than address that issue Putin goes all in on defense. Sad to see people missing out on needed services and grocery stores seeing such high inflation but Putin would rather stack up on armaments.

Russian Defense Budget to Hit Record $81 Billion in 2015 | Business | The Moscow Times
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10 Facts: Sizing Up NATO's Defense Spending - The Globalist


8. Non US NATO members have defense expenditures that are more than three times Russia's total..
 
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Pacer92 said:
10 Facts: Sizing Up NATO's Defense Spending - The Globalist


8. Non US NATO members have defense expenditures that are more than three times Russia's total..
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You like hearing yourself speak? Again, your faction has emphasized these nations are not very unified. Add to the fact that with the exception of the tiny Baltics, these nations are dropping their spending. Again, Russia is going the other direction and with nuclear arms - which that alone is an equalizer in anyone's scenario. Why would aggressors cut their military size as well as their spending? Why would a peaceful nation going through a financial crisis exponentially up their defense budget to include nuclear weapons? Their percentage of defense spending on GDP rivals the US and in some analysts' totals surpasses the US.
 
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from pacers article

10.Meanwhile, the rest of NATO is reaping a peace dividend of sorts — with aggregate defense spending for these 27 nations 3.4% below the 1992 level.

now what happened around 1992 that might have lead to decreased military spending? and what could be causing some nations to spend ridiculous amounts of money for defense?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I hate to tell you but these are some antiquated stats just based on current events alone. Many of these numbers are based on all the GWOT nonsense going on. Please show me some charts going on from Putin's return to now.
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Antiquated?! Lol

Article was composed last year and most every stat is from 2012.
 
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LouderVol said:
from pacers article

10.Meanwhile, the rest of NATO is reaping a peace dividend of sorts — with aggregate defense spending for these 27 nations 3.4% below the 1992 level.

now what happened around 1992 that might have lead to decreased military spending? and what could be causing some nations to spend ridiculous amounts of money for defense?
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Because there are many more members now!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Antiquated?! Lol

Article was composed last year and most every stat is from 2012.
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Again, do you not realize what has happened since then? Show the past three years. Graph the past 5 years and show me the trends. Compose an article for me now and show me data through 2015. We've already seen graphs you can use to start with. Show me trends in spending, military size, per GDP, etc. Let's not dwell on how things were three years ago. Let's take this up to the present.
 
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Seeing AP and other sources post pictures of Ukrainian POW's being forced to remove debris, unexploded shells, mines as well as their dead from the Donetsk airport. Apparently the DNR just cares less about the Geneva Convention and treatment of prisoners. If they don't shoot them, they force them to do manual labor in a deadly environment.

https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/ART/375-590066?OpenDocument
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Some reading material for you:

Think Tank: Some NATO Countries Cutting Defense Spending - ABC News

US, UK, France and Germany (the powers and pretty much driving forces of NATO) are dropping their spending:
Only US and Estonia meeting NATO budget goal - Business Insider

And to make sure you don't rant about sources:

http://rt.com/uk/235863-defense-spending-nato-cameron/
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germany in particular needs to look at how it is spending its money, whatever that amount might be.
 
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LouderVol said:
germany in particular needs to look at how it is spending its money, whatever that amount might be.
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The German "military" it pitiful. During the Cold War it was the main piece to NATO European strategy but now I don't think it could fight its way out of a paper bag.
 
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LouderVol said:
10.Meanwhile, the rest of NATO is reaping a peace dividend of sorts — with aggregate defense spending for these 27 nations 3.4% below the 1992 level.
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I'm surprised the discount isn't even larger than 3.4%, unless that's not factoring in inflation.
 
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Burhead said:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ej3Quki2qs[/youtube]

Hmm.
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Whoa, whoa, wait! I thought this WAS a local fight and the people were all standing against the Kyiv fascists. According to this Russian citizen and member of the Russian army, he says he has to beg the locals to join the fight and most are fleeing to....wait for it....other parts of Ukraine?? And out of Ukraine to other nations not Russia? I am really confused when Ras and Pacer are telling me the people are loyal to the cause and are all locals standing up for independence and freedom. The leader of the biggest, most well known unit (not a local FYI) seems to be dispelling VN Russian apologist arguments here. I'm SHOCKED!
 
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Velo Vol said:
Trying to figure out why Russia hasn't succeeded where Greece, Rome, and America have failed--establishing a global empire.
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Regain lost Soviet republics who despise them and bribe everyone else with gas and oil they lose ability to get out of the ground. Then appeal to various socialist/Marxist regimes for weapons buys and access to a port to rattle cages. All while watching their single resource based economy tank.

Good plan...
 
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#9,025
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President of Russia

Translation: "Thanks Naz for not setting up a decent government for your succession. Hope you die soon. Another republic will soon return to the fold. Ukraine is proving difficult. Kazakhstan is ripe for the taking."

I am sure the blueprint for Chechnya will be used....create some fringe nut Islamic group trying to overthrow the government and let them commit some violent acts. Swoop in to save not only ethnic Russian population but the people as a whole especially since Kazakhstan has no military and Baikonur needs protecting.
 
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