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Burhead said:
Yeah I'm done talking to you. If I want to be shoved Kremlin propaganda I'd engage in a Twitter debate with the pro-Russian twitter idiots.
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Go to the 8:55 mark of the video and answer the question the narrator asked. That's the least you could do.

Don't blame me for pointing out the truth... or as you would call it "propaganda".
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Russia and China just signed their energy trade treaty, moving away from the US dollar. In the grand scheme of things, what does this do to the US economy and the US global standing?
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It will be one step closer to moving the US dollar from world reserve currency status. Once economic trade is carried out in other currencies or gold, there will no longer be a need to have to keep US treasuries. Once those US treasuries come back home, watch out for (more) inflation and a much weaker dollar. That has been the scheme all along... protect the dollar. The only way to do that is to maintain it's world reserve status. Anyone that tries to go away from using the dollar is put on a hit list. Libya worked with the US for close to 10 years after 9/11 and found themselves on the hit list after Gaddafi and other African leaders wanted to create a gold back dinar, for example.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Go to the 8:55 mark of the video and answer the question the narrator asked. That's the least you could do.

Don't blame me for pointing out the truth... or as you would call it "propaganda".
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The new Kiev government is not controlled by the ultra-nationalists nor neo-nazis. Dating back to the last election in 2012, Svoboda is the only radical right-wing party in parliament and controls only 37 seats. Second the reason no one is accepting the Crimean "referendum" is because it was conducted under the supervision of a foreign military and was not free nor fair. If you can not see the Crimea vote was rigged you're dumber than I thought.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It will be one step closer to moving the US dollar from world reserve currency status. Once economic trade is carried out in other currencies or gold, there will no longer be a need to have to keep US treasuries. Once those US treasuries come back home, watch out for (more) inflation and a much weaker dollar. That has been the scheme all along... protect the dollar. The only way to do that is to maintain it's world reserve status. Anyone that tries to go away from using the dollar is put on a hit list. Libya worked with the US for close to 10 years after 9/11 and found themselves on the hit list after Gaddafi and other African leaders wanted to create a gold back dinar, for example.
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That was my thought too. But China and Russia are too big for our hit list, so the charade is up. Combine that with our debt-built economy and likely no more low interest loans, and, well... The recent economic woes will look like the 80s in comparison to what may be coming down the pipe.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That was my thought too. But China and Russia are too big for our hit list, so the charade is up. Combine that with our debt-built economy and likely no more low interest loans, and, well... The recent economic woes will look like the 80s in comparison to what may be coming down the pipe.
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But Ukraine and Syria are not, with the help of some subversion in their countries. Al Qaeda was the tool used in Syria. Svoboda was the subversive tool in The Ukraine. Ukraine is important because they can install NATO defense in Russia's backdoor and also shut down or limit Russia's naval supremacy in the Black Sea. Russia also has a naval port in Tartus, Syria. You take away Tartus and Sevastopol, then you have diminished Russia's naval ability.
 
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Burhead said:
The new Kiev government is not controlled by the ultra-nationalists nor neo-nazis. Dating back to the last election in 2012, Svoboda is the only radical right-wing party in parliament and controls only 37 seats. Second the reason no one is accepting the Crimean "referendum" is because it was conducted under the supervision of a foreign military and was not free nor fair. If you can not see the Crimea vote was rigged you're dumber than I thought.
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If you are going to claim that the Crimea vote was conducted under the supervision of a foreign military, how can you not admit that the present coalition govt, put in power by non-democratic means, is not under the thumb of the US and EU?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If you are going to claim that the Crimea vote was conducted under the supervision of a foreign military, how can you not admit that the present coalition govt, put in power by non-democratic means, is not under the thumb of the US and EU?
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You realize Ukraine is holding a presidential election on Sunday right?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If you are going to claim that the Crimea vote was conducted under the supervision of a foreign military, how can you not admit that the present coalition govt, put in power by non-democratic means, is not under the thumb of the US and EU?
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The Yanukovych regime surrendered it's legitimacy when it brutalized and murdered the people in the streets on Maidan. As such, I don't view the people's revolution and toppling of a tyrant as non-democratic. Also to further add, elections are being held on Sunday. The government didn't intent to keep power and will surrender it's leadership peacefully to the new President unlike the old regime.
 
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Burhead said:
The Yanukovych regime surrendered it's legitimacy when it brutalized and murdered the people in the streets on Maidan. As such, I don't view the people's revolution and toppling of a tyrant as non-democratic. Also to further add, elections are being held on Sunday. The government didn't intent to keep power and will surrender it's leadership peacefully to the new President unlike the old regime.
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What are you talking about? I posted the proof in the video where the representatives from Estonia and the EU stated that the opposition forces were the snipers, not Yanukovych.
 
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Burhead said:
I can quote his next talking point; it will be rigged by the US and European Union/NATO.
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I have video and audio proof from Victoria Nuland and other pieces of information to defend my position.

What evidence do you have of the Crimea election being rigged by the Russians?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What are you talking about? I posted the proof in the video where the representatives from Estonia and the EU stated that the opposition forces were the snipers, not Yanukovych.
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Playing your game here; let's just agree that the snipers were not Russian/Pro-Russian for a moment. You still have Ukrainian police violating human rights of the protesters by savagely beating them, with the now disbanded Berkut being the worst. If if the (government) sniper attacks did not happen Yanukovych's Presidency would still have been illegitimate the moment he used his thugs to try and beat EuroMaidan into submission. If I had my way Yanukovych would be in the Hague on trial for violations of human rights and civil liberties.

Rasputin_Vol said:
I have video and audio proof from Victoria Nuland and other pieces of information to defend my position.

What evidence do you have of the Crimea election being rigged by the Russians?
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Yes. A free and fair vote could be undertaken while Crimea was being policed/occupied by Russian combat troops, anyone with any sort of unbiased view can tell the vote was rigged.
 
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vol4eva said:
The Ukrainian people were fed up with a man who stole billions from the state and opted for a brighter and more prosperous future with the EU. When that option was taken away from them, they took matters into their own hands, as evidenced by the thousands that protested peacefully throughout the winter. The US aren't the ones who instigated this crisis. Putin is simply scared he'll be next, since Russia is essentially a mafia state.
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I guess UKIP & Nigel Farage are turning against "a brighter and more prosperous future with the EU".

Send in the jackals... they're being influenced by Putin!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess UKIP & Nigel Farage are turning against "a brighter and more prosperous future with the EU".

Send in the jackals... they're being influenced by Putin!
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No one is saying the EU is the best thing since sliced bread, they are far better than being under the Russian boot however. Regardless of rather or not Kiev wants the EU, they should have the right to decide if they want to be in EU and NATO for themselves, without worrying about an aged Bear growling at them for their decision.
 
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