Tyson Helton talks about Guarantano's play

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johnrlansford said:
While he can Effect the blocking assignments on a blitz, not all QB get the ability to call an audible when the play doesn't look good to him. That is up to the coach and their decisions. JG and the entire offense is looking to the sidelines pre-snap, implying that the coaches are calling audibles not JG.

Sometimes the QB has no adjustments when there are too many blitzers due to play design, he just has to make a quick decision after the snap, He has done that fairly well with only 2 sacks and He made good decisions in both his starts this year.

I understand you don't like JG, you didn't like him last year and that has been made very clear! Don't put the bad OL Play on his shoulders too, it will only make you look silly when the OL improves and he plays even better, the same way you looked last year when Dormady looked horrible and you claimed he was a good QB!
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Just stop lying ok?
 
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When you're up to your ass in gators, it can be hard to remember your goal is to drain the swamp.

And you can quote me.
 
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Pruitt: Since I've been here, I think Jauan has done everything we've asked him to do. Unfortunately, he's been hurt, so that hurt his development. As a WR, he hasn't done it in really over a year. Conditioning-wise, he's still not where he'd like to be, but he's getting closer.
 
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sjt18 said:
The O did not produce against a WVU D that is likely not as good as UT made them look. He threw the ball well vs ETSU but his ability to throw has never been in question. It his reads and decisions remain questionable until HE proves they're not. UT out-athleted ETSU but there were still a lot of problems. UT's O really didn't look good early and it wasn't all on the OL like you and others have suggested.

If you want to talk stats then consider that UT has played a middling P5 D and an FCS D and are currently 12th in passing in the SEC. They're tied for last in TD passes. One of those was KC in only 3 attempts. Among SEC starters, JG is 11th in yardage, 9th in yds/attempt, last in TD passes, and 9th in passer rating.

The O has to start being effective behind him. He's much closer to being replaced than you imagine.
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Not very good stats
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
And JG cant be mentioned in the same breath with any of those QBs by sane footbal fans.

JG seems to lock in on who he is going to throw it to from the get go He can overcome this but at this point he hasnt . This is why his go to receiver can be easily taken away.
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So, those guys, all QBs, had a favorite WR....but JG, also a quarterback, can’t?

How about these comparisons then?

-Blake Sims had Amari Cooper
-Jake Coker, Jalen Hurts and Tua Tagovaoila had Calvin Ridley
-Out at Colorado State, their QB has Preston Williams
-Riley Ferguson had Anthony Miller at Memphis

Any of those work for you, or does JG just suck so bad that he’s not allowed to have a favorite receiver? No need to answer, rhetorical question, pretty sure we already know.
 
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KBVol said:
So, those guys, all QBs, had a favorite WR....but JG, also a quarterback, can’t?

How about these comparisons then?

-Blake Sims had Amari Cooper
-Jake Coker, Jalen Hurts and Tua Tagovaoila had Calvin Ridley
-Out at Colorado State, their QB has Preston Williams
-Riley Ferguson had Anthony Miller at Memphis

Any of those work for you, or does JG just suck so bad that he’s not allowed to have a favorite receiver? No need to answer, rhetorical question, pretty sure we already know.
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But JG doesnt suck


He does lock onto one receiver and hold the ball too long.

I apologize that I dont play ya'lls little games of Team Jarret or Team Keller. Neither of them inspire much confidence to be able to lead this team to competitive levels in the SEC.

Personally I hope either or both get better, along with the rest of the team.
 
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sjt18 said:
The O did not produce against a WVU D that is likely not as good as UT made them look. He threw the ball well vs ETSU but his ability to throw has never been in question. It his reads and decisions remain questionable until HE proves they're not. UT out-athleted ETSU but there were still a lot of problems. UT's O really didn't look good early and it wasn't all on the OL like you and others have suggested.

If you want to talk stats then consider that UT has played a middling P5 D and an FCS D and are currently 12th in passing in the SEC. They're tied for last in TD passes. One of those was KC in only 3 attempts. Among SEC starters, JG is 11th in yardage, 9th in yds/attempt, last in TD passes, and 9th in passer rating.

The O has to start being effective behind him. He's much closer to being replaced than you imagine.
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You're delirious. He's not even remotely close to being replaced at this point. If he struggles against Florida and we need a spark offensively, Chryst may (and should) get a shot seeing as that is a must win game. As long as JG is playing within himself and taking care of the ball like he has to this point, though, he isn't getting replaced. End of story.
 
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utvols83 said:
JG is far from a finished product but has certainly done well so far this season considering the circumstances. To anyone with a hint of good common sense, the o-line is clearly the major problem holding back the offense. That doesn't mean that JG shares no blame when it comes to reading the defense and not making sure the o-line identifies and picks up blitzes...but those problems are minor compared to watching o-linemen flat out whiff or get bowled over by what should be lesser talented players.

SJT and others believe JG is the major problem with this offense and think some of us are part of some JG cult because we are not as critical of JG as he is. I haven't seen anyone say JG is without fault, but somehow that is what SJT reads. Just like him seeing Helton say JG is holding onto the ball too long when that is CLEARLY not what Helton said. It's the reality he wants, no matter the circumstances...so there's really no point in trying to have this discussion with him.

We will find out soon enough if JG is ready to lead the offense against the SEC. This bickering over his capabilities/ successes/struggles after playing ETSU seems like a big waste of time.
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We have ourselves a winner!
 
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MiramarVol said:
The Pre Read you speak of is the entire offense looking for the play from the sidelines. Its not JGs wherewithall to make the call. Dobbs did it, Worley disbit, so what's the problem now? I'll hang up and listen.
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So you think that Dobb's never checked out of the play called or moved his protection? Give me a break.
 
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To all you anti JG guys who blame him from everything to missed OL blocks, play calls, route running, etc, etc.......can you, will give him ANY credit for this, since he has none and handles the ball every offensive play?? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

Just three teams in the nation have played two or more games this season and committed zero turnovers: @Vol_Football, Clemson and LSU.
 
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sjt18 said:
Just stop lying ok?
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lying? OK, you have been nothing but critical of JG, when he has obviously improved from last year. You can make up whatever bullcrap you want but it doesn't change the fact that the OL is playing horrible and you just want to find a way to blame it on JG, even when it is obvious to everyone else that he is getting his audibles from the sidelines not his own decisions!
 
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johnrlansford said:
lying? OK, you have been nothing but critical of JG, when he has obviously improved from last year. You can make up whatever bullcrap you want but it doesn't change the fact that the OL is playing horrible and you just want to find a way to blame it on JG, even when it is obvious to everyone else that he is getting his audibles from the sidelines not his own decisions!
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No need arguing with him. He's so hung up on getting his boy Keller in the game that he has become oblivious to the truth which is that JG has improved. Yes, he still has room to grow with pre snap reads, but he gives us the best chance to win and is only going to get better with more experience.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Anytime somebody criticizes or pokes fun at sjt, they are a liar. It’s his schtick.

That and pretending like he knows all about our offensive system and the players’ responsibilities.
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That second part x1000. So true. He makes assumptions and then bases arguments on them as if they are proven fact. He also likes to make up your argument for you and debates that made-up argument. You can't have a rational discussion with someone like that.

And I'm sure his reply to that will be along the lines of, "No, you're the reason we can't have a rational discussion because you JG cult members can't admit that JG has any faults!"
 
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sjt18 said:
The OL hasn't been horrible in pass protection and we can't know for sure how much of that pressure is because of JG holding the ball rather than making a good pre snap read and hitting a quick pattern. He has to get better quickly. If he doesn't, don't be surprised if he's replaced.
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UT fans would have enough of wormburner Chryst after a couple quarters. JG is only getting replaced if he gets hurt
 
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utvols83 said:
That second part x1000. So true. He makes assumptions and then bases arguments on them as if they are proven fact. He also likes to make up your argument for you and debates that made-up argument. You can't have a rational discussion with someone like that.

And I'm sure his reply to that will be along the lines of, "No, you're the reason we can't have a rational discussion because you JG cult members can't admit that JG has any faults!"
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He is a master of the moving goal posts tactic, and strawman fallacy.
 
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butchna said:
Never might be a stretch, but I always felt he mostly stuck with the play that was called and improvised afterwards as needed.
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Right but he was able to improvise. There have been 3-4 times that I felt like JG could have helped that major negative play just keeping the ball and getting what he could. There have been some times where he also got pressure from the side he could have shifted his back or TE to at least chip someone. I get it the entire team is a work in progress. Helton even stated in the interview he had 4-5 runs called that he didn't. Biggest thing he has to do is limit the negative plays.
 
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#173
Look for some scheme changes this week. They have to put in something that helps JG find open receivers quickly because the O-line didn't give him a pocket to throw from to keep his eyes downfield rather than running for his life or getting eaten alive by a noseguard or defensive tackle. I think we will see more underneath routes, quick outs, drags, and screens. Those passes get the ball out and gives our athletic receivers a chance to make playes in space.
 
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johnrlansford said:
lying? OK, you have been nothing but critical of JG, when he has obviously improved from last year.
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That is a lie. I have said he's improved. I have raved over his arm talent. Why do you keep lying? You've quoted and responded to posts where I've done both of these things.
You can make up whatever bullcrap you want but it doesn't change the fact that the OL is playing horrible and you just want to find a way to blame it on JG, even when it is obvious to everyone else that he is getting his audibles from the sidelines not his own decisions!
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That's a lie also. I have said that the OL has issues and needs to improve. But unlike you apparently, I realize that the job of the QB in managing the O impacts OL play. I also recognize that the QB's reads and especially the pre-snap ones can either make the OL look "horrible" or result in burning a D for a playcall. I've given examples of what I'm talking about. Possibly the most impressive example is the difference between UT's OL with Simms as QB and Bray as QB. One guy was indecisive and weak at pre-snap reads. The other guy was as brash as they come and great at pre-snap reads. One guy got sacked and made the OL look like "hot garbage". The other guy almost never got sacked. IIRC in the following year UT's OL with Bray at QB had one of the lowest sacks allowed in all of college football.

Why deny stuff like this?
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Anytime somebody criticizes or pokes fun at sjt, they are a liar. It’s his schtick.

That and pretending like he knows all about our offensive system and the players’ responsibilities.
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Ummm, proof would be impressive for that claim. I seldom call anyone a "liar"... but you qualify here. I would much rather think that we disagree or lack information.

But by all means... point out all those examples proving my "schtick" is calling people liars.
 
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