Two Deep Depth Chart Released

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. Statements like this are gonna look so stupid in a few weeks. Our roster is more talented than every championship roster going back to the 2001 Hurricanes.

Just wait and see. We have almost too much talent. Especially on defense. If we're not top 5-10 nationally on defense this year I'll be shocked (and yes that assumes Colton Jumper being our starting MLB).
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Prepare to be shocked.
 
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BisonVol said:
Prepare to be shocked.
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he is just setting the stage for him to early in season start up the fire Jones bandwagon. No way anyone believes talent is close to the top of college football now let alone 2001 Canes..

Watch his posts come October.
 
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LWSVOL said:
this coaching staff (through the first 4 years) fails in the development of too large a percentage of the players they recruited. Talking of the one's that have stayed. The numbers are a little over average of players lost in the first three classes which should be the strength of current team.

2013 signed 23 and 11 left before completing.
2014 signed signed 32 and 15 have left
2015 signed 30 and 11 have left so far. on track to be another high percent
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Well this isn't good.
 
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LWSVOL said:
those 5 words right there show your analytical skills for college football talent / skills is sorely misguided. Your expressing "hope" that a defense which was as bad as this one last year will rise to the best one in the East? and passing that hope off as an evaluation.

No wonder so many question everything you say. You express the most off the wall observations...
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He's definitely off base... but you're also too dismissive. How did the defense look last year before we basically lost the entire starting lineup to injury? Say, the first 3 or 4 games?
 
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66volfan said:
Watch Fla game again once adjustments were made. Same with VT. The second year in Shoop's system should show a lot of improvement. He's succeeded everywhere else so I think he will here.
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2 quaters means very little in respect to fielding a good defense throughout a season
 
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LTVol said:
Robert Meachem never gained 500 receiving yards in F and Soph years, but had over 1200 his junior year. Sometimes players blossom late. Stars don't always demonstrate their greatness as freshmen
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This all day. Players can develop at different rates. Some come out of the gates on fire and some take a couple of seasons to heat up. It also depends on who is already on the team ahead of them at the position.
 
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volfannbama said:
2 quaters means very little in respect to fielding a good defense throughout a season
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The question was, first three games "before injuries" and your reply was, "not that good". I pointed out 2 of the first three games were won because the D adjusted and pretty much took over the game. You're moving the goal post now.
 
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66volfan said:
The question was, first three games "before injuries" and your reply was, "not that good". I pointed out 2 of the first three games were won because the D adjusted and pretty much took over the game. You're moving the goal post now.
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App St. ran all over us like we were Ga Southern. The defense was never really good, even before injuries. The games you list were shut down mainly due to Stoops' in-game adjustments, I think, than player development and skill.

In other words, I think Stoops was able to find something in the other O that they were worse at.

I believe (read: desperately hope) that we can have a great D this year.
 
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66volfan said:
The question was, first three games "before injuries" and your reply was, "not that good". I pointed out 2 of the first three games were won because the D adjusted and pretty much took over the game. You're moving the goal post now.
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The d did not take over any game.
They played okay against app st....whooptedo

VT had 5 turnovers and our offense got moving.

We held Ohio to 19...whooptedo

Defense was awful the first half against UF putting tons of pressure on the offense. Luckily the offense delivered and the defense finally played at an sec level for 2 quarters aided by some boneheaded plays by Florida.

It should also be noted that most of the injuries occured prior to the Florida game. So yeah...now lets move forward with much the same d without the best two players in Barnett and Vereen. And all the sudden we are supoosed to believe that a coaching staff that in large part has struggled to develop talent is going to field a top teir defense? ....lol yeah okay.

We better hope that Warren and Hoke are really good.
Hopefully im wrong. We will know all we need to know 30 days from now.
 
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volfannbama said:
The d did not take over any game.
They played okay against app st....whooptedo

VT had 5 turnovers and our offense got moving.

We held Ohio to 19...whooptedo

Defense was awful the first half against UF putting tons of pressure on the offense. Luckily the offense delivered and the defense finally played at an sec level for 2 quarters aided by some boneheaded plays by Florida.

It should also be noted that most of the injuries occured prior to the Florida game. So yeah...now lets move forward with much the same d without the best two players in Barnett and Vereen. And all the sudden we are supoosed to believe that a coaching staff that in large part has struggled to develop talent is going to field a top teir defense? ....lol yeah okay.

We better hope that Warren and Hoke are really good.
Hopefully im wrong. We will know all we need to know 30 days from now.
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Do you really believe any of that? You're just not using blue and I'm missing the sarcasm, right. Sorry, I thought you were being serious. My bad. You had me going there for a minute.
 
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volfannbama said:
The d did not take over any game.
They played okay against app st....whooptedo

VT had 5 turnovers and our offense got moving.

We held Ohio to 19...whooptedo

Defense was awful the first half against UF putting tons of pressure on the offense. Luckily the offense delivered and the defense finally played at an sec level for 2 quarters aided by some boneheaded plays by Florida.

It should also be noted that most of the injuries occured prior to the Florida game. So yeah...now lets move forward with much the same d without the best two players in Barnett and Vereen. And all the sudden we are supoosed to believe that a coaching staff that in large part has struggled to develop talent is going to field a top teir defense? ....lol yeah okay.

We better hope that Warren and Hoke are really good.
Hopefully im wrong. We will know all we need to know 30 days from now.
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by most all measure, this staff is completely different than the last.

the point you're making isn't lost though.

the only thing i would say in response is that we don't know how healthy this group will stay....for the entirety of the season...and we have no idea what effect s&c and Warren and Hoke will have/has already had.

it's a question mark. it can go one way, or the other.

but i do not expect this defense to be as bad or worse than last year's. that much i say with confidence. the bar is set pretty low in that regard.
 
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66volfan said:
Do you really believe any of that? You're just not using blue and I'm missing the sarcasm, right. Sorry, I thought you were being serious. My bad. You had me going there for a minute.
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Its tough to face facts we dont like sometimes, i understand.
 
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OHvol40 said:
He's definitely off base... but you're also too dismissive. How did the defense look last year before we basically lost the entire starting lineup to injury? Say, the first 3 or 4 games?
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Not particularly good.

-App State had a 100 rusher against us
-VaTech had 21 first downs and 400 yards of total offense, and a 100 yard rusher. Thank goodness they imploded with all the turnovers
-Ohio had a receiver go for 150+ yds
-Florida jumped out 21-0, defense looked horrific in the first half. Tightened up for a quarter and a half while our our offense took over the game. Defense allowed another 100+ yard receiver
-Allowec 24 first downs, right at 400 yards and 31 points to an average Ga team with a true freshman qb
-TAM put 45 points and right at 600 yards on us


And stop with the "we lost the entire starting lineup" on defense. We lost JRM and DKJr (who came back the last 6 games, played 8 games overall), Sutton for 5 games and Danny OBrien after the 6th game. We lost two backup DTs after the midpoint of the season and a 3rd string linebacker in Sapp.

Barnett played 13 games, Gaulden played 13 games, Vereen played 13 games, Moseley 13, Abernathy 12, TKJr 11, Vickers played 11 games....that's 7 of your 11 starters playing 86 of a possible 91 games between them.

Did injuries hurt? Of course they did. But it's beyond lazy and short sighted to blame the failings of last year's defense on just the injuries. Florida was missing 7 starters when they went to LSU late in the year to close out the SECe division title, didn't seem to bother them, they found a way, while having to play an extra road game. Conversely, well, we know what happened with our guys.....
 
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LWSVOL said:
this coaching staff (through the first 4 years) fails in the development of too large a percentage of the players they recruited. Talking of the one's that have stayed. The numbers are a little over average of players lost in the first three classes which should be the strength of current team.

2013 signed 23 and 11 left before completing.
2014 signed signed 32 and 15 have left
2015 signed 30 and 11 have left so far. on track to be another high percent
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Exactly.
 
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KBVol said:
Not particularly good.

-App State had a 100 rusher against us
-VaTech had 21 first downs and 400 yards of total offense, and a 100 yard rusher. Thank goodness they imploded with all the turnovers
-Ohio had a receiver go for 150+ yds
-Florida jumped out 21-0, defense looked horrific in the first half. Tightened up for a quarter and a half while our our offense took over the game. Defense allowed yet another 100+ yard receiver
-Allowec 24 first downs, right at 400 yards and 31 points to an average Ga team with a true freshman qb
-TAM put 45 points and right at 600 yards on us


And stop with the "we lost the entire starting lineup" on defense. We lost JRM and DKJr (who came back the last 6 games, played 8 games overall), Sutton for 5 games and Danny OBrien after the 6th game. We lost two backup DTs after the midpoint of the season and a 3rd string linebacker in Sapp.

Barnett played 13 games, Gaulden played 13 games, Vereen played 13 games, Moseley 13, Abernathy 12, TKJr 11, Vickers played 11 games....that's 7 of your 11 starters playing 86 of a possible 91 games between them.

Did injuries hurt? Of course they did. But it's beyond lazy and short sighted to blame the failings of last year's defense on just the injuries. Florida was missing 7 starters when they went to LSU late in the year to close out the SECe division title, didn't seem to bother them, they found a way, while having to play an extra road game. Conversely, well, we know what happened with our guys.....
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Go on the record and say the defense will be bad this year. Go on the record.

I'm saying we'll be top 10 nationally. And we'll be praying we can hold onto Bob Shoop after the season.
 
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jakez4ut said:
by most all measure, this staff is completely different than the last.

the point you're making isn't lost though.

the only thing i would say in response is that we don't know how healthy this group will stay....for the entirety of the season...and we have no idea what effect s&c and Warren and Hoke will have/has already had.

it's a question mark. it can go one way, or the other.

but i do not expect this defense to be as bad or worse than last year's. that much i say with confidence. the bar is set pretty low in that regard.
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Yeah, i dont think it will be as bad as last year, but like you say, thats a low bar.
The coaching staff is much the same. Just a few position coaching changes.

As for the injuries this season, it doesnt matter. A team is more than the starting 22. Its backups, 3rd string coaches etc. If we lose a close game to Alabama and have a couple injuries that could have made a difference, noone is complaining about that. If we start losing to sec bottom feeders, injuries are not an excuse. Lack of player development is the excuse that my friend is a direct responsiblity of the coaching staff.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Go on the record and say the defense will be bad this year. Go on the record.

I'm saying we'll be top 10 nationally. And we'll be praying we can hold onto Bob Shoop after the season.
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Im already on record saying it can't possibly be as bad as it was last year, it's damn near physically impossible.....sorry to disappoint you. And if it somehow is tracking to be as bad after 5-6 games, Shoop needs to be fired and replaced midseason.

I have no earthly how good or bad it will be this year, and neither do you. But I will go on record saying there's no way on God's green earth that it'll be top 10 nationally......no freaking way, since we're thin at DE and bad at LB. Once again, you're out of your mind.
 
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KBVol said:
Im already on record saying it can't possibly be as bad as it was last year, it's damn near physically impossible.....sorry to disappoint you. And if it somehow is tracking to be as bad after 5-6 games, Shoop needs to be fired and replaced midseason.

I have no earthly how good or bad it will be this year, and neither do you. But I will go on record saying there's no way on God's green earth that it'll be top 10 nationally......no freaking way, since we're thin at DE and bad at LB. Once again, you're out of your mind.
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KB, by go in record i think he mean start a new thread with everything you think it going to happen. Luckily with him, you can be all over the place that way at least you are right about something
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Go on the record and say the defense will be bad this year. Go on the record.

I'm saying we'll be top 10 nationally. And we'll be praying we can hold onto Bob Shoop after the season.
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I dont get you. In one thread you are bashing coaches for "wasting talent" and not playing the players they should be (most of which players we have never seen play) and then in another thread you say we have top 10 defense and are going to win a natty. How can you believe both of those things to be true?
 
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volfannbama said:
Yeah, i dont think it will be as bad as last year, but like you say, thats a low bar.
The coaching staff is much the same. Just a few position coaching changes.

As for the injuries this season, it doesnt matter. A team is more than the starting 22. Its backups, 3rd string coaches etc. If we lose a close game to Alabama and have a couple injuries that could have made a difference, noone is complaining about that. If we start losing to sec bottom feeders, injuries are not an excuse. Lack of player development is the excuse that my friend is a direct responsiblity of the coaching staff.
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oh, i'm speaking of the whole depth chart when it comes to staying healthy, not just the 1 or 2 deep.

and i don't disagree on who's responsibility it is. and all we know right now is that as a result of last year, there were wholesale changes made on this staff to alleviate those issues.

we'll see if it is indeed the fix.
 
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