Two Coaches Hired Terry Joseph and Eric Russell

[majic73]

Then it's obvious you did read Dooley's Bio. You know the one that said he was at some powerhouse school named..Southern Meth. Univ. before being hired by Saban to coach the TE and handle recruiting at LSU. And we kinda of know where that went.

Completely different situation ...

LSU has in-state talent . You step into the back yard and you have enough recruits to field a team . Plus it is Nick Saban . In his system the Recruiting coordinator makes contacts , sets appointments , big Nick is the Closer . If you note ...Nick is still top of the food chain ...and CDD is not there an has not been there .

Here it is a bit different . You have to sell playing time , you have to sell an NFL pipeline , you have to sell the facilities...you have maybe 1 or 2 recruits in your back yard ( and many years they want to go somewhere else ) There is no CNS to close for you . So if following the same model as CNS ...how is CDD and his inexperienced RC gonna close ? Is he gonna tell them about CPF success at sending kids to the NFL ...or about how he forged one extra win at la Tech in a 3 year period , maybe how many kids he intends to send to the NFL ? Is he gonna introduce them to his staff and say ...you may not know them but they are wonderfully smart and nice ?

Veeeerry different than at LSU , in LA , where you are probably the 3rd or 4th football talented state and you have a very successful closer in a closer system .

That is what the whole CLK scheme about preparing for the NFL and 'all star' staff was about . That is what has to be done in this state.

so where it went then ...is not where it will go now .
you are comparing apples to oranges.
Not a recruit rich state, no CNS as the closer . These guys have to sell something that they don't have .

 

[Volzilla]

No...your words as follows....

The recruiting coordinator from LA Tech ? Really . What makes you think he will be successful ?

If you took the same guy and he went to a home and said, "hello...I'm so-and-so, the recruiter from Alabama A&M"

And a few weeks later the same guy shows up, "hello again...I'm now the recruiter at Alabama".

You're going to ge a different response no matter what.

The issue is "some recruiter for LA Tech able to be successful" and should be " a former LA Tech now a Vol recruiter be successful". No different than a salesman selling a Yugo and then gets hires to sell a BMW. Same guy but selling a far better product with a better rep. Selling that Yugo is allot harder against the Big Giants but when you're one of them it's a level playing field.

 

[TENNaciousUTfan]

Thanks Bam15....

We need to look at it this way. Coaches like the Leeches and Sabans out there get paid the big bucks to be successful. No different than say a CEO with a billion dollar company. To stay that way they surround themselves with talented, positive people that will get them there. To them it doesn't matter where they come from. But for some of us if it's not some big time name, big time college and big time this & that then it's a bad choice, a lost cause, a bad hire and on, and on.

It's the same damn criteria in any hire, in any business. Let me spell it out for you...

1) You take all the resumes/applications and evaluate them
2) Determine who is the most qualified for the open position
3) Interview the leading/most qualified candidates
4) You hire the most qualified candidate for the position

I hope that didn't fry your circuits, but it's a time honored standard that's been around since the beginning of man. Some of you yahoo's got it bass-ackwards, though. Hire the least qualified guy and then form a cheerleading squad to root them on, appoint yourselves at forum police to try and scold anyone who dares criticizes the hire.

 

[TENNaciousUTfan]

Heres the link YouTube - La Tech Offense HIghlights vs LSU Football 09

I like the look of this O!

I may like the look of Brentwood Academy's offense, but that doesn't mean we need to hire their coach.

 

[majic73]

No...your words as follows....

The recruiting coordinator from LA Tech ? Really . What makes you think he will be successful ?

If you took the same guy and he went to a home and said, "hello...I'm so-and-so, the recruiter from Alabama A&M"

And a few weeks later the same guy shows up, "hello again...I'm now the recruiter at Alabama".

You're going to ge a different response no matter what.

The issue is "some recruiter for LA Tech able to be successful" and should be " a former LA Tech now a Vol recruiter be successful". No different than a salesman selling a Yugo and then gets hires to sell a BMW. Same guy but selling a far better product with a better rep. Selling that Yugo is allot harder against the Big Giants but when you're one of them it's a level playing field.

I couldn't disagree more ..

They can sell facilities , traditions , and estabilish relationship and I am certian they will have a fair degree of success based on that . There are certain kids that have always wanted to come to UT ...they will be successful there .

It is not a level playing field . Florida , Alabama , Louisiana, and Georgia are all hotbeds of football talent . Tennessee is not . What UT coaches have done for years , dating back to Johnny Majors they have sold NFL dreams . Fulmer did it . Kiffin turned it into a science with his NFL staff , Monte and the promise of coming to a minor league NFL program . It is obvious the dividends in recruiting were starting to pay off because of this specialized approach .

This staff cannot do that . They have nothing of that sort to sell . They do not have local kids to turn to . They do not have a proven closer like Saban to turn to . Despite popular opinion kids in Cali , Texas , Florida , are not dying to come play for the Vols. Most want to play for their local power house or find a place to showcase themselves to get to the big leagues. So Joe Schmow coming in , with no credentials , a closer with no credentials , offers them zero reason to come to UT .

Johnny , Phil , and Lane all had this intrastate , we'll get you to the NFL thing figured out ...but these guys won't have anything to base that on .

The analogy to cars does not hold up . In Florida ...UT is not a BMW . In CA , UT is not a BMW. IN TN UT may be a BMW ...but there are just not than many buyers in TN. By selling the NFL pipeline concept ..UT was made into a BMW to many potential recruits regardless of location . That is done , considering the guys we have brought in have nothing to hang their hats on. .

I predict he will hold alot of the recruits ...he may add some lower tier talent . Next season , it will be hard for any coach to win given the schedule . Then watch for a sharp fall off in recruiting . Without the NFL pitch that has been ongoing since Majors ...we are little more than UK or USCe.

 

[volger]

I could not disagree more.

Did you lose a bet Bam, or are you just that loud and proud? Sig wise, Just askin. :hi:

 

[ksgovols]

Considering the timing, how many ethical coaches can we expect to attract this close to signing day? The Vols are going to take a hit this recruiting season. Other than NFL assistants that are taking a paycut for the most part and assistant coaches at places where the head coach left, who are we going to get to come this late in the game?

Even if you throw money at them, what's the chances that a coach will leave a job and bring his recruits with him or get on somebody that wasn't considering UT to begin with? We've been lambasting Orgeron for doing the same thing that we now want the new staff to do? I don't see that happening. We are going to get the guys that wanted to go to UT in the first place regardless of coaching staff and guys that wanted to go to UT that were never offered in the first place or the few that are willing to follow a coach wherever he goes.

Personally, I'd try to re-recruit those that found UT appealing when Kiffin et al was here and go after the guys in a 200-300 mile radius that want to be here. We're not going to get a Bryce Brown type kid that wasn't on the radar before now.

Get what we can get and hit it hard next year. The staff will likely be completed after signing day. Unfortunately.

 

[Ashevolle]

I couldn't disagree more ..

They can sell facilities , traditions , and estabilish relationship and I am certian they will have a fair degree of success based on that . There are certain kids that have always wanted to come to UT ...they will be successful there .

It is not a level playing field . Florida , Alabama , Louisiana, and Georgia are all hotbeds of football talent . Tennessee is not . What UT coaches have done for years , dating back to Johnny Majors they have sold NFL dreams . Fulmer did it . Kiffin turned it into a science with his NFL staff , Monte and the promise of coming to a minor league NFL program . It is obvious the dividends in recruiting were starting to pay off because of this specialized approach .

This staff cannot do that . They have nothing of that sort to sell . They do not have local kids to turn to . They do not have a proven closer like Saban to turn to . Despite popular opinion kids in Cali , Texas , Florida , are not dying to come play for the Vols. Most want to play for their local power house or find a place to showcase themselves to get to the big leagues. So Joe Schmow coming in , with no credentials , a closer with no credentials , offers them zero reason to come to UT .

Johnny , Phil , and Lane all had this intrastate , we'll get you to the NFL thing figured out ...but these guys won't have anything to base that on .

The analogy to cars does not hold up . In Florida ...UT is not a BMW . In CA , UT is not a BMW. IN TN UT may be a BMW ...but there are just not than many buyers in TN. By selling the NFL pipeline concept ..UT was made into a BMW to many potential recruits regardless of location . That is done , considering the guys we have brought in have nothing to hang their hats on. .

I predict he will hold alot of the recruits ...he may add some lower tier talent . Next season , it will be hard for any coach to win given the schedule . Then watch for a sharp fall off in recruiting . Without the NFL pitch that has been ongoing since Majors ...we are little more than UK or USCe.

You act like Fulmer came from some great NFL background ...........Contrarily, he was a UT guy who worked his way up the ranks and got the head coaching gig. He was able to offer the "NFL pipeline" speech pretty convincingly throughout the nineties and recruits weren't asking themselves, "Who is this guy?"

To say that Dooley cannot offer these recruits NFL preparation at UT is ludacris. Majors and Fulmer's NFL ties were insignificant or nonexistent and CLK's were peripheral at best. Dooley coached two years in the league, so he can lay a better claims to "NFL preparation" than a lot of SEC coaches.

 

[SpringBokVol]

From Football Scoop:

Tennessee: Our sources tell us LA Tech grad assistant Ben Larson is on the way to Knoxville. Larson will be helping Dooley over the next few weeks and will likely fill one of the intern positions. We are hearing that LA Tech defensive coordinator Tommy Spangler will not be joining the staff at Tennessee.

 

[Burhead]

From Football Scoop:

Tennessee: Our sources tell us LA Tech grad assistant Ben Larson is on the way to Knoxville. Larson will be helping Dooley over the next few weeks and will likely fill one of the intern positions. We are hearing that LA Tech defensive coordinator Tommy Spangler will not be joining the staff at Tennessee.

Crap I really want Spangler, more so then Joseph.

 

[iuvol2012]

Crap I really want Spangler, more so then Joseph.

Not as big of a loss if we can pull Garner.

 

[vol_fan89]

From Football Scoop:

Tennessee: Our sources tell us LA Tech grad assistant Ben Larson is on the way to Knoxville. Larson will be helping Dooley over the next few weeks and will likely fill one of the intern positions. We are hearing that LA Tech defensive coordinator Tommy Spangler will not be joining the staff at Tennessee.

Figured as much. We don't have the space for him. What i wonder is if this means Garner is coming.

 

[Burhead]

Not as big of a loss if we can pull Garner.

Garner doesn't have any experience as a defensive coordinator though, Spangler really seemed to have turned around Tech's D. He seems to be a good up and coming coach and wish he would come here.

Also anyone want to explain to me what a graduate assistant does?

 

[vol_fan89]

Garner doesn't have any experience as a defensive coordinator though, Spangler really seemed to have turned around Tech's D. He seems to be a good up and coming coach and wish he would come here.

Also anyone want to explain to me what a graduate assistant does?

Garner would be the D-Line coach. Still think Thompson would be a good choice for DC

 

[iuvol2012]

Garner doesn't have any experience as a defensive coordinator though, Spangler really seemed to have turned around Tech's D. He seems to be a good up and coming coach and wish he would come here.

Also anyone want to explain to me what a graduate assistant does?

I agree and I wanted Spangler to come, too. But Garner is a brilliant recruiter.

 

[Burhead]

I know he is an awesome recruiter and I want him to come here, but I have seen people questioning his coaching abilities...

 

[jlovevols]

Looking at this staff, it appears we need coaches for the D-Line, QBs, RBs, WRs, & OL. This is assuming that Chaney is the TE coach again. I am not sure what will happen with Joseph & Garza. Perhaps one can coach the DL or move to the offense & coach WRs (where experience as a DB coach would be useful). Russell has experience on Defense and with TEs. It's possible Chaney could coach the O-Line and Russell TEs.

Position Needs:
Regardless, we have 4 more spots left. If we hire a DC that can also coach the DL or hire a DL coach and have Lance be the DC & LB coach (remember Monte was just the DC), then we can have a full time ST coach. If that's the case, we need coaches for the DL, OL, QBs, & RBs (assuming Garza or Joseph takes the WRs).

Recruiting Needs:
As of right now, we have the following states covered: LA (Joseph, Dooley), TX (Garza, Russell), GA (Lance, Dooley), and Chaney is good with the Midwest with ties to MO & IN. We don't really have anyone to recruit FL other than Lance who did coach a couple years at UCF, but we need him to spend a lot of time in GA and perhaps some in AL. Our primary needs in recruiting are coaches who can recruit FL, NC/SC/VA, & West TN/Memphis/MS. We could use another recruiter for GA (like Garner) b/c of the # of recruits there and have Lance spend more time in Florida. Getting recruits from FL is huge, but will be more difficult now with Gran at FSU.

While UT is not blessed with the instate talent as other states like GA, FL, LA, AL, we do have a couple of advantages: 1) Our only instate competition is Vandy and 2) We have closer proximity to the Midwest (OH, IL, IN) and Middle Atlantic States (NC, VA, MD) than almost all other SEC schools and can sell the opportunity to play in the SEC. We just need coaches who can take advantage

 

[The Sentinel]

How many times am I going to have to say this?

If teams don't give lesser known coaches a shot at a big time programs how else will they show there skills? Everyone has to start some where, this is their shot. What if no one gave a shot to Vince Lombardis of the world?

Lomardi was associated with winning and winning championships at every level he coached. He even had a winning record as a basketball coach!

This is getting worse by the minute!

 

[tpix]

Russell will reinforce Dooley's special team details. The DFW Metroplex is his recruiting specialty.
Joseph will be your sweet pipeline to New Orleans.

 

[majic73]

You act like Fulmer came from some great NFL background ...........Contrarily, he was a UT guy who worked his way up the ranks and got the head coaching gig. He was able to offer the "NFL pipeline" speech pretty convincingly throughout the nineties and recruits weren't asking themselves, "Who is this guy?"

To say that Dooley cannot offer these recruits NFL preparation at UT is ludacris. Majors and Fulmer's NFL ties were insignificant or nonexistent and CLK's were peripheral at best. Dooley coached two years in the league, so he can lay a better claims to "NFL preparation" than a lot of SEC coaches.

Fulmer and Majors populated the NFL with players . I think at some point UT was 2nd or 3rd as far as contributions to the league . They sold it ...like they owned it. Not that that makes them great coaches , that is a matter of opinion .

Kiffin , brought in Paw Kiffin and assembled a bunch of guys associated with the NFL and regions of the country to take advantage of their ties in their region . For better or worse ...right or wrong ...he positioned himself to sell his and his Paws NFL background .

Lance is a profficient recruiter . The SL coach may help ...glad they are paying service to this tried and true method at UT . Otherwise , these guys have to sell playing time and NFL prep out of state. First question I would have ' what have you done lately? ' Phil could answer that with his body of work ..Lane when pressed could say 'My Paw' Wonder what these guys are gonna say ....