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#576
#576
BigAl said:
I have to wonder how many coaches would want a job where you're expected to take a losing program and turn it completely around in a year or two or else you're fired.
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How about a program where you aren't even close in three?
 
#578
#578
Titan&Volfan4life said:
You call me an idiot...You tell people to ignore me and you say this is not a rumor anymore, LOL.

You're an admitted Grudenite so please post a link that PROVES that Gruden is our next football Head Coach please.

The ONLY thing we've heard on this thread is that IF things go right then CDD will not be here next season and that calls are being made.

I've also seen several people say that SBV is a credible person so I believe he is but he was misled before by someone and that could be the case this time as well.

I tend to believe SBV when he says calls are being made and that the days of CDD may be numbered.

I can also believe that the loss Saturday night just might have pushed some of the big $$$ donors over the line and they're ready to make some big donations IF the right coach can be hired at the right price.

I also do NOT believe that Gruden will quit a BIG $$$ job that's fun, very easy and that he says he loves to come to Tennessee to work his butt off and try to beg 17 year old kids to come to Tennessee to play football for him especially since I heard a rumor that he recently just signed a new 5 year contract with his current employer.

Now it's time for YOU to pony up and PROVE with a solid link to any news story where Gruden just quit a very easy job and is considering coaching a college team.

It's also doubtful that many here on VN consider me to be a total idiot my friend and if anyone ignores me just because you demand that they do so then I'd have to wonder about their intelligence.

I'll be waiting for your link to PROVE that you actually know anything at all.

You ARE pretty good at starting or keeping rumors going though so I give you credit for that, LOL!

VFL...GBO!!!
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Didn't read it, i really don't care what you have to say.
 
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#580
#580
Titan&Volfan4life said:
I can also believe that the loss Saturday night just might have pushed some of the big $$$ donors over the line and they're ready to make some big donations IF the right coach can be hired at the right price.
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I can buy that part. JMO, but that may be where we're at right now. Again, JMO.
 
#581
#581
tnmarktx said:
Dooley rumored to be getting an extension. Sal and Chaney to be replaced. Rock already painted over.

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This guy's yankin' our chain right? :eek:lol:
 
#583
#583
YorkVol said:
The biggest problem I see with your scenario is that demoting CDD from HC to a position coach with duties as RC, would probably break his current contract and require UT to pay the buy out. So, we'd pay him his lower salary plus the buy out and pay Saban Texas money to move.
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An excellent reply my friend.

Saban might demand more $$$ and he might not since he's so filthy rich already.

IF, and a big IF, this Nick Saban thing were to happen then I think what CDD might want would depent on several things.

How badly he's hurt by the demotion/firing.

How CDD is approached by AD Hart and most importantly by Nick Saban since CDD worked with Saban for 7 years before.

What position CDD is offered.

How much $$$ per year CDD is offered.

If CDD wants to take a year or 2 off away from coaching to think things over.

How close CDD really is to alot of our current players and if he'd want to stay and see them through their college days.

How the players would feel and if they'd really want CDD to stay on.

You made some excellent points but I don't think any position would be offered to CDD at all if we had to pay his buyout plus his position coaches pay on top of it.

At this point most everything is rumor and speculation but this is lots more fun and a better coaching option than the Gruden rumors, LOL.

Except for what springbokvol has said and I tend to believe him since so many other people here said his news is mostly very reliable.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
#586
#586
Sheezy said:
Dooley is here to stay. get over it.
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Dooley might be here to stay, but not past this year, or next at the latest. Dave Hart is a greater idiot than I thought if he fires CDD mid-season rather than at the end of the year - for the team's sake. However, If the Vols do not win against BAMA or USC and have a tough time against Troy, Mizzou, and Vandy... I believe he will be gone at the end of this season. Remember, the so-called important donors, Peterson and Haslam, will not keep putting their money into losing coaches --- just ask Fulmer.
 
#587
#587
DaphneVol said:
Has Hart logged on to VN to see our list?
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Sorry DaphneVol, but Hart does not have the time to read what Vol fans have to say... he has his own agenda (like spying on UT athletics for his pals at BAMA).

Before CDD gets the axe... Hart needs to be transplanted to somewhere else.
 
#589
#589
865dude said:
This is scary! I'm far from sold that we will get a big name coach! This could put us down for 10 years!
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Not if the athletic director has enough sense (of course, this leaves out Dave Hart) puts in some realistic, and mutually agreed-upon performance clauses... Just a thought...
 
#590
#590
mpfvol said:
I like Dooley as a good man with goals and honesty but he can't coach why in the world would any SEC team thinking of making it to the NC hire him as a HC
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Beats me, bud...but I've heard chatter in Athens that they would take Dooley. (Scratching my head)
 
#592
#592
Titan&Volfan4life said:
Here's the real info so TIFWIW...

SBV said it's somebody that isn't currently coaching but that's a FALSE lead to keep us off track.

We all know that Nick Saban is a total ego maniac but he's also the best recruiter/Coach in college football and he does NOT want to coach in the NFL again.

What Saban really wants is to be the ONLY coach in NCAA history to win 3 National Championships at 3 different colleges and he wants to accomplish that in the SEC because the SEC is the toughest conference in the country and where he's won his other NC rings.

Saban also loves CDD and CSS so he wants to keep both of them on his new coaching staff when he comes to Tennessee after this season is over.

Keeping them both on his staff makes it easier for him to hire other coaches and it keeps Tennessee from such a huge buyout on both CDD and CSS and CSS will stay the DC since Saban runs the D himself anyway and CSS already knows everything about how Saban wants the D to run.

CDD will be the Recruiting Coordinator just like he was for Saban at LSU when they won the National Championship together.

The money saved from the big buyouts plus the big donors money will buyout Sabans contract at alaBubba and allow Saban to hire whoever else he wants on his coaching staff and pay them whatever it takes to hire them.

Saban likes the players CDD has already recruited and thinks he can win another National Championship at Tennessee in 3 years and by then Saban will be just under 70 years old and ready to retire in the hills of Tennessee near a lake with good fishing like he likes.

With a 3rd NC and at 3 different SEC schools Saban will be well satisfied that he'll go down in history as the greatest college football coach ever, even better than Bear Bryant, and that's what his ego demands.

This is too logical to overlook and it's all rumor and speculation so again...TIFWIW.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Saben doesn't have a buyout. He can leave for whatever reason with no penalty. Insiders probably know this.
 
#593
#593
GreyWolf1129 said:
No idea. But I think the media heat on Dooley goes through the roof starting this week. Speculation will be a part of that heat.

Hart has probably put out feelers.

I think, and this is just me, that Dooley lost his job last night. The UF game was the sign that nothing had changed; UGA was "close but not close enough"; and last night was the final straw. I don't think Hart feels like he needs to wait and see how we do against Bama and USCe. Dooley would need to win both of those, or go 5-1 down the stretch, to save his job, and Hart don't need Ms. Cleo to tell him how that's gonna play out.

The only way Dooley survives is a 5-1 stretch run, which isn't going to happen; or Hart cannot lock up his 1st or 2nd choice for a new HC. Hart knows the next guy has to be...absolutely has to be...a solid winner. So I think he has a very short list, of very good coaches. They're going to want the big money, and more big money so they can bring in a top-flight staff. That's the show-stopper right there: money. Truckloads of it.

If Hart can find the money, and his #1 or #2 guy says "yes", Dooley is gone. Plain and simple.

I think Hart can pull it off, and will.

Go Vols.
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If Hart pulls the plug, don't be surprised if he brings in a BAMA assistant (remember, Hart is a BAMA fan)... If he does, that should be the end of Hart, for sure...
 
#594
#594
INVolsITrust said:
Saben doesn't have a buyout. He can leave for whatever reason with no penalty. Insiders probably know this.
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That's excellent information but I'll never be a alaBubba insider, LOL.

That makes it even easier for Saban to come to Tennessee to win his 3rd National championship at his 3rd college.

At least my rumor is more fun and would mean winning lots faster than the Grudenites thinking he'll quit a easy job for more $$$ than what Tennessee would pay him.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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#595
#595
Titan&Volfan4life said:
That's excellent information but I'll never be a alaBubba insider, LOL.

That makes it even easier for Saban to come to Tennessee to win his 3rd National championship at his 3rd college.

At least my rumor is more fun and would mean winning lots faster than the Grudenites thinking he'll quit a easy job for more $$$ than what Tennessee would pay him.

VFL...GBO!!!
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If Tennessee can't pay him more than 4 million a year than they sure as heck can't pay Saban more than 6 million.

Not sure how your rumor is more fun when it contradicts what you're saying about fans holding out hope for Gruden.
 
#596
#596
crazyguy said:
I don't understand why you would let Dooley stay until the end of the season? Let him go now and start lining up guys for interviews. Make it known that we're doing it right this time.
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The only reason not to make it public right now is for the team's sake. Remember the fiasco of Hamilton's handling of Fulmer in '08? Unlike OSU's NCAA rules violations issues with Tressel, UT's problems with CDD is that his team is not only being outplayed, the team SOMETIMES shows signs of quitting when they get behind, and CDD is consistently out-coached. Let's face it, our problem with CDD is not ethics based, but ability based... so, make a private agreement with the next coach, and make it public after the KY game. To make it public now would not only hurt the team, but also potentially hurt recruiting efforts.
 
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#597
#597
I agree with you as well. Do-Little has had 3 years and his coaching ability is horrible. Tennessee has been one of the poorest coached teams in the country under Do-Little. I too wanted him to succeed but we are truly going in the wrong direction....the media see's how bad the situation is and a few comments made by the commentators calling the Miss State game showed! Dereck Dooley is not ever going to be a winner in the SEC....EVER! We need a coach that can motivate and coach up the players.
 
#598
#598
TOP said:
That's crazy.

Seems like an unfair advantage. lol
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However, "All's fair in love and war..." and football is war. I say we take advantage of any reasonable opportunity that comes our way... And, Sir, is it really crazy? If OSU can do it without breaking NCAA rules, why can't UT?

Although, since CDD has not shown any lack of ethics, and he has not embarrassed the program with NCAA violations... I hat to see the team hurt with a mid-season announcement...
 
#599
#599
WhiteRhino said:
What lesson I have learned over the years is that we are The University Of Tennessee, and we deserve better than what we are getting. We used to be feared, we used to beat opposing teams down, and we used to be relevant. Now we are becoming the question mark of the SEC. What happened to Tennessee? We must do something.....
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I agree Tennessee is now the doormat of the SEC and this simply can't continue
 
#600
#600
carpbc said:
The only reason not to make it public right now is for the team's sake. Remember the fiasco of Hamilton's handling of Fulmer in '08? Unlike OSU's NCAA rules violations issues with Tressel, UT's problems with CDD is that his team is not only being outplayed, the team SOMETIMES shows signs of quitting when they get behind, and CDD is consistently out-coached. Let's face it, our problem with CDD is not ethics based, but ability based... so, make a private agreement with the next coach, and make it public after the KY game. To make it public now would not only hurt the team, but also potentially hurt recruiting efforts.
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i don't think it really matters now the season is shot, recruits have to have a feeling that a move is gonna be made. it would actually give us an advantage because the coach if he isn't coaching can recruit while dooley or a interm finishes the season out.
 
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