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volinbham said:
Is this your definition of espionage or have you seen somewhere this is the case?

In doing some research on Economic Espionage (since this isn't government data we are talking about) it appears it only applies to "Trade Secrets" which have a specific definition and requirements to meet (which internal polling data likely does not meet). Further, the owner of the "trade secrets" has to be the one claiming the offense. So even if this polling data met "trade secret" standards, Team Trump would have to press charges to make this a Economic Espionage claim.

I'd say theft, embezzlement or unauthorized distribution is the more accurate description but those don't sound a serious as "espionage".

Team Trump was the victim of unauthorized distribution by Manafort since it was their information
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The Democrats didn't have it so it would definitely qualify as trade secrets and since it's political in nature it is by definition espionage. What you say would be easier to prove though. The campaign may well be the victim.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Also do you consider the public release of political polls to be an act of espionage?
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Most polls are for public consumption from Pew, CNN or what have you. Plus they are not the same type in depth information that might make a campaign better target individuals and not just demographics.
 
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Mick said:
The Democrats didn't have it so it would definitely qualify as trade secrets and since it's political in nature it is by definition espionage. What you say would be easier to prove though. The campaign may well be the victim.
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Trade Secret is a specific legal term that has requirements to be considered a TS. The formula for Coca Cola is a trade secret; some market research they did is almost certainly not a trade secret unless the company itself to certain steps to qualify it as one.

The fact it's "political" doesn't make it espionage.

The campaign is a non-governmental, private entity and it is the one that would need to allege the employee misdeeds.
 
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volinbham said:
Trade Secret is a specific legal term that has requirements to be considered a TS. The formula for Coca Cola is a trade secret; some market research they did is almost certainly not a trade secret unless the company itself to certain steps to qualify it as one.

The fact it's "political" doesn't make it espionage.

The campaign is a non-governmental, private entity and it is the one that would need to allege the employee misdeeds.
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Whatever makes you feel better about Manafort.
 
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volinbham said:
Has nothing to do with how I feel about him or his actions and has everything to do with what he can be charged with.
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I think espionage is a possibility you don't. You think everything that the espionage charge would encompass is a possibility but not the big one. Like I said whatever makes you feel better.
 
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Mick said:
Collusion isn't a crime. See the Trump campaign is in a pickle right now with the Manafort troubles of giving polling data from the Trump Campaign to a Russia Intelligence operative. The Trump campaign might or might not have known about it. I'm sure they are already prepared to deny any knowledge of such a thing and leave Manafort holding the bag. Manafort is dangerously close to espionage charges among other possible charges related to his "work". There is also the Gates connection between the campaign and Manafort and he is cooperating with Mueller.
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I hear Trump team this Trump staff that .. guess what we haven’t heard not once .. lol
 
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volinbham said:
No, I think you don't know what you're talking about.
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You have proven yourself ignorant on most things.

Espionage or spying, is the act of obtaining secret or confidential information without the permission of the holder of the information. Any individual or spy ring (a cooperating group of spies), in the service of a government, company or independent operation, can commit espionage. The practice is clandestine, as it is by definition unwelcome and in many cases illegal and punishable by law. Espionage is a method of "intelligence" gathering which includes information gathering from public sources.

Trying to rationalize why it's not espinoges is sad really.
 
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Mick said:
Collusion isn't a crime. See the Trump campaign is in a pickle right now with the Manafort troubles of giving polling data from the Trump Campaign to a Russia Intelligence operative. The Trump campaign might or might not have known about it. I'm sure they are already prepared to deny any knowledge of such a thing and leave Manafort holding the bag. Manafort is dangerously close to espionage charges among other possible charges related to his "work". There is also the Gates connection between the campaign and Manafort and he is cooperating with Mueller.
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Amazing how the man at the top who brags about knowing more than anyone about everything never knows anything about what's been going on around him
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Amazing how the man at the top who brags about knowing more than anyone about everything never knows anything about what's been going on around him
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Good point. Trump expends so much mental energy maintaining his world class expertise on major issues that one can't expect him to be concerned with the trivial things surrounding him. After all, he's not one motivated by self interest and is acutely aware that his personal power, wealth, and image are all comparatively meaningless.
 
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Mick said:
You have proven yourself ignorant on most things.

Espionage or spying, is the act of obtaining secret or confidential information without the permission of the holder of the information. Any individual or spy ring (a cooperating group of spies), in the service of a government, company or independent operation, can commit espionage. The practice is clandestine, as it is by definition unwelcome and in many cases illegal and punishable by law. Espionage is a method of "intelligence" gathering which includes information gathering from public sources.

Trying to rationalize why it's not espinoges is sad really.
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check out the legal part of this and how charges originate and get back to me.
 
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Mick said:
Wrong. If Trump says it was OK to give the information it's collusion, If not it's espionage. Don't tie yourself in knots to justify everything is on the up and up and perfectly fine. That would be a stretch.
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From a to z mick, your dog doesn't hunt. Polling data does not qualify as espionage material. Nuclear data, military ability, that qualifies. Polling data from a campaign does not. I'm pretty sure you are tied in knots over this.
 
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$10,000 for makeup. LOL

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