TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

Collusion is the doorway to conspiracy.
Collusion is just proof that there is a crime.

Sort of like holding a bloody knife is not a crime, but if your standing over a dead body with stab wounds, it may be an indicator.

Sort of like using the same tired analogies does nothing to strengthen your argument.

If collusion is not a crime, then conspiring to collude is not a crime. Any criminal charges containing “conspiracy” carry a suffix, such as conspiracy to commit murder, etc., which then makes “conspiracy” a criminal offense.
 
Sort of like using the same tired analogies does nothing to strengthen your argument.

If collusion is not a crime, then conspiring to collude is not a crime. Any criminal charges containing “conspiracy” carry a suffix, such as conspiracy to commit murder, etc., which then makes “conspiracy” a criminal offense.

It truly is awe inspiring. By their logic, we could all be charged with the crime of conspiracy to talk about the Tennessee Vols. My wife and I conspired to have children. Luther and the libs are guilty of conspiracy to look desperate on a message board.
 
Let's just use facts and logic on you to see if it helps, because many of your ideas are entirely cult based honestly:

First, the only people still denying the election was changed as a result of a foreign power are, trump cultists. Even GoP senate and congress agree as much, to discuss that further is to teach a baby calculus. If you can't comprehend that you need to just stop reading because we are not going to do well. The main reason nothing has happened as a result is the GoP led Congress and Senate and the fact that that investigation (the one Mueller is doing) is going to result consequences we can't even fathom yet. Why? Because the Constitution has no information on what to do if a president uses a foreign power to aid his rise to power. The founding fathers never imagined ak 47's and spaceships, let alone cell phones and the internet.

Secondly, Trump has literally lost lawsuits on being racist. He has openly called minorities rapists, claim they have AIDS, HIV, come from **** holes, etc. He has tried to pass bills to deny muslims entry to the country. If you do not think he is racist you are part of his cult, and most likely racist yourself. And yes, a whole lot of people in the south and middle/low class America ARE racist and homophobic. Because they were raised that way, its literally an entire generation mostly based on education and economics, luckily one who is slowly dying out. To deny that exists is to deny an entire culture effectively.

Third. Yes, the media does lie. The channel that lies the most is Fox News, by far, and its not even close and has been proven so multiple times. It is such terrible "news" that most of western society bans it as state propaganda similar to North Korean channels. If you don't get your news from MULTIPLE different sources, you are already far behind. But to also think that "ratings" determines something's credibility or validity is ignorant. One Direction sells millions of albums, does that make them better musicians than anyone else they've outsold? No.

Lastly, and maybe most importantly.

Please, Dear god. Get over her damn e-mails. She is not the president. She is not even in the public eye. The investigation, which was literally helmed as it was because of Pro Trump FBI agents in NY, was found to have nothing in it whatsoever of note, otherwise there would be indictments, guilty pleas, and the investigation would STILL be ongoing. You know, like the current investigation of trump. If the GoP was half as concerned with any of Trumps sexual assault claims, his tax returns, his cabinet's illegal activities, his refusal to apply sanctions or other laws passed, his unmonitered private phone calls, the tax dollars he wastes at his golf courses, or any of his other current crimes, as they are with imaginary emails we would have had a new President about three months in.

Let me say this last one again, because it is the oldest and dumbest argument cultists still try. The investigation FINISHED and found NO REASON TO CONTINUE. If you truly believe, the FBI and CIA, top to bottom, as well as the justice department and most of the people in charge before, are part of a deep state conspiracy to protect Hillary you are unreachable and impossible to help. The closest "deep state" and high end government theories that are plausible are Jeb Bush helped his brother win against Al Gore and.... The GoP is protecting Trump because Russia pays them as well. (and with recent NRA funding being found, that one is looking pretty real)

Hopefully, these facts help answer your issues and see why people see so many as cultists and crazy, because most of them are as verified as global warming and evolution:
1. Russia helped cheat in the election, it is confirmed by multiple sources, countries, and the entirety of Congress and Senate, and the investigation as to how much Trump was involved is still ongoing.
2. Trump is racist (and sexist), both by the definition. He has lost lawsuits proving it and his constant claims degrading minorities and women (and his literal recorded comments on both) prove this over and over. He is the source of the Birther movement for god's sake.
3. News medias are not entirely truthful. The worst is Fox news, to the point they are banned in many far more educated countries than ours. Popularity does not equal validity or ability.
4. Hillary Clinton's E-mails have absolutely nothing to do with anything in America in the year 2018. They were investigated, longer than the current Trump investigation, and found to be not only baseless, but the man who conducted them claimed he wished he never did because he was duped by pro trump agents who sat on the information and he beleives he swung an election on the basis alone.
5. Trump is a criminal, his twitter account alone proves it. His legal history proves it. Trump takes advantage of the uninformed masses and uses race and religion to rile them up by making it a "us vs them" argument. Its Fascism 101, and he doesn't even do it that well compared to history. He doesn't even do it as well as former Americans in history.

It is anyone's personal right to deny facts presented to them. But it does not change them from being facts, and it will absolutely result in people being called crazy, cultists, stupid, etc.

Not because you don't know them, but because even when presented to you you deny or refute them with no actual evidence or proof.

THAT is why we call trump supporters who deny cleanly obvious things cultists. Because only a cult believes implicitly regardless of the facts placed in front of them.
James Comey had a bigger impact on the election than the Russians did.

Additional the documents in the last round of BS Mueller indictments even state there’s no evidence any Russian activity affected the election outcome.
 
It truly is awe inspiring. By their logic, we could all be charged with the crime of conspiracy to talk about the Tennessee Vols. My wife and I conspired to have children. Luther and the libs are guilty of conspiracy to look desperate on a message board.

It’s like they’re taking DA pills, choking down anything they believe will finally get Dotard Donald removed from office.

(Pardon my illegal language, pastor)
 
Wait, so is collusion bad or nah? On one hand, he say's "not a crime" but then goes on to '''bbbuuutt Hillary".

Or he was referring to Hills and the DNC “colluding” to rig the primary against Bernie. In fact I really thought that was kind of obvious.

Also the DNC defense in court agrees with his statement.
 
Or he was referring to Hills and the DNC “colluding” to rig the primary against Bernie. In fact I really thought that was kind of obvious.

Also the DNC defense in court agrees with his statement.

Irrelevant. That doesn't address that he doesn't believe colluding isn't a crime. I'm just trying to ascertain whether he believes collusion is a bad thing or not - on one hand, he doesn't appear to believe so and on the other he does.
 
Irrelevant. That doesn't address that he doesn't believe colluding isn't a crime. I'm just trying to ascertain whether he believes collusion is a bad thing or not - on one hand, he doesn't appear to believe so and on the other he does.

No it isn’t irrelevant. My statement directly addresses your interpretation of his tweet. I think you had to reach to come to that conclusion and I don’t think it was the most obvious interpretation.

And my last statement supports what I think is the most obvious interpretation.
 
Because it's technically not a crime. However if proven I think he should resign.
Fair enough, although Id imagine congress would have a pretty liberal interpretation of the articles of impeachment if collusion with a foreign power is proven.
 
No it isn’t irrelevant. My statement directly addresses your interpretation of his tweet. I think you had to reach to come to that conclusion and I don’t think it was the most obvious interpretation.

And my last statement supports what I think is the most obvious interpretation.

It's not a reach to come to the conclusion that he believes 'collusion between hillary and the DNC was wrong' and coming to terms with collusion between trump and Russia "isn't a crime"

Collusion is either bad or it's not. He's planting the seed that it's no big deal while throwing red meat to people like you want to pile on Hillary. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 

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