TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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OuterBanksVol said:
Some people get confused because their official name includes the word socialist. In fact they were on the exact oppisite end of the spectrum.

"...The assertions or accusations listed above appear to stem from the official name of the party that Hitler led to take over Germany in the early 1930s. It was called the National Socialist German Workers’ Party—later shortened to Nazi party—and gained power by promising voters to alleviate a German economy mired in depression while also restoring “German cultural values, reverse the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles, turn back the perceived threat of a Communist uprising, put the German people back to work, and restore Germany to its 'rightful position' as a world power," according to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The party represented an extreme side of German’s right wing, and the key word in its title was not necessarily "socialism," but rather "national." During Hitler’s ascension, nationalism was preached and took hold, and excluded anyone who wasn’t fully German or considered superior.


"The Nazis opposed all traditional socialism, wanting to substitute something they called ‘German socialism’ or ‘Aryan socialism,’” Bryn Mawr College professor Barbara Miller Lane told PolitiFact in October 2015. “This meant citizenship and privileges only for ‘Aryans’ (meaning non-Jews), concentration camps for others."
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You should really check your work.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | Mises Institute

Hitler and the socialist dream | The Independent
 
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ajvol01 said:
No one has disputed the fact that the dossier was used to justify a FISA warrant.

The dossier was a phony political opposition research piece designed to make Trump look bad.

What false conclusion are we supposed to reach?

They illegally spied on the Trump campaign/transition team before and after he was president-elect.
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Democrats don't know what the word "ILLEGAL" means so they just totally ignore it's meaning. "Illegal immigrants" or "illegally spied" on an innocent American citizen. Democrats are so un-American in their actions & in their deeds it's really sad for them to act like the big crybaby losers that they have shown to be.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You should really check your work.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | Mises Institute

Hitler and the socialist dream | The Independent
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Dude. You do know that Greenland is very icy, while Iceland is very green, right? "Socialists" party of Nazis falls into the same vein of misleading nomenclature.

It's common knowledge that naziism is extreme right wing. Hitler hated Stalin and the Communists.

Wikipedia:

"Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.[3]

The term is often associated with Nazism,neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views. These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions."

"...Far-right politics includes but is not limited to aspects of authoritarianism, anti-communism and nativism. Claims that superior people should have greater rights than inferior people are sometimes associated with the far-right. The far-right has historically favored an elitist society based on its belief in the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses."
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Dude. You do know that Greenland is very icy, while Iceland is very green, right? "Socialists" party of Nazis falls into the same vein of misleading nomenclature.

It's common knowledge that naziism is extreme right wing. Hitler hated Stalin and the Communists.

Wikipedia:

"Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.[3]

The term is often associated with Nazism,neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views. These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions."

"...Far-right politics includes but is not limited to aspects of authoritarianism, anti-communism and nativism. Claims that superior people should have greater rights than inferior people are sometimes associated with the far-right. The far-right has historically favored an elitist society based on its belief in the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses."
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It would have been much easier on everyone involved if you'd just written, "I didn't bother reading your links."

His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.
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Now that the age of individualism had ended, [Hitler] told Wagener, the task was to "find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution". Marx and Lenin had seen the right goal, but chosen the wrong route - a long and needlessly painful route - and, in destroying the bourgeois and the kulak, Lenin had turned Russia into a grey mass of undifferentiated humanity, a vast anonymous horde of the dispossessed; they had "averaged downwards"; whereas the National Socialist state would raise living standards higher than capitalism had ever known. It is plain that Hitler and his associates meant their claim to socialism to be taken seriously; they took it seriously themselves.
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What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.
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Hitler was socialist in ideal and practice. As proof, he socialized industry, the economy, individual property rights. It's not even a question. It's just a matter of revisionist history propaganda since the modern left doesn't like the obvious connection. Just like they paint conservatives as racist while being the historical racist party.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Hitler was socialist in ideal and practice. As proof, he socialized industry, the economy, individual property rights. It's not even a question. It's just a matter of revisionist history propaganda since the modern left doesn't like the obvious connection. Just like they paint conservatives as racist while being the historical racist party.
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There's no fixing stupid.

If you want to say that you, as a Nazi, are a left winger, knock yourself out, Comrade.
 
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CNN:

An Illinois Democrat who was seriously wounded in Iraq derisively referred to President Donald Trump's draft deferments after Trump called Democrats "treasonous" for not clapping during his State of the Union speech.

"We don't live in a dictatorship or a monarchy. I swore an oath—in the military and in the Senate—to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not to mindlessly cater to the whims of Cadet Bone Spurs and clap when he demands I clap," Sen. Tammy Duckworth tweeted Monday evening.

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OuterBanksVol said:
CNN:

An Illinois Democrat who was seriously wounded in Iraq derisively referred to President Donald Trump's draft deferments after Trump called Democrats "treasonous" for not clapping during his State of the Union speech.

"We don't live in a dictatorship or a monarchy. I swore an oath—in the military and in the Senate—to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not to mindlessly cater to the whims of Cadet Bone Spurs and clap when he demands I clap," Sen. Tammy Duckworth tweeted Monday evening.

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Ahhh good ole CNN

The ratings results show that CNN not only came in last place, but that the left-wing network’s primetime viewership eroded by double digits

Wonder why?

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ajvol01 said:
No one has disputed the fact that the dossier was used to justify a FISA warrant.

The dossier was a phony political opposition research piece designed to make Trump look bad.

What false conclusion are we supposed to reach?

They illegally spied on the Trump campaign/transition team before and after he was president-elect.
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All three of your statements are wrong which in turn answers your question
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It would have been much easier on everyone involved if you'd just written, "I didn't bother reading your links."







Hitler was socialist in ideal and practice. As proof, he socialized industry, the economy, individual property rights. It's not even a question. It's just a matter of revisionist history propaganda since the modern left doesn't like the obvious connection. Just like they paint conservatives as racist while being the historical racist party.
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he also fails to recognize what Europe was pulling itself from. Coming from monarchies anything was going to be socialist and those movements were strong across all of Europe.

as you pointed out the only real distinctions between any of them was the how of what they were hoping to achieve.

its also why you saw them as allies for a while. they were closer aligned ideologically than the other nations were. UK and France at least. eventually the fight came down to who was the biggest dog on the block not cats vs dogs.
 
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LouderVol said:
if the only thing Mueller has is trying to catch Trump in a lie his investigation is sunk.
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Then Trump should have nothing to worry about, unless telling the truth is worse optically.

Lots of politicians roll the dice and lie, it's often better looking than the truth.
 
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Septic said:
Then Trump should have nothing to worry about, unless telling the truth is worse optically.

Lots of politicians roll the dice and lie, it's often better looking than the truth.
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Donald Trump Should Refuse a Mueller Interview


Only if Mueller has reasonable cause to believe the president is complicit in a serious criminal offense, and that he has evidence or knowledge that would be admissible and probative. Only in those circumstances should a president be subject to subpoena, and only then should he submit to questioning.

Just so we are clear...The burden should be on Mueller to demonstrate the necessity of questioning the president in any form, not on the president to provide reasons for not submitting to questioning.

Therefore, what's the crime(s)?
 
#2,795
#2,795
Does anybody remember that time back in June 2016 when Trump's family and Manafort meet with Russian agents in Trump Tower? That lone fact should be enough to make you question where your loyalties truly are. Are you Americans looking for truth or Trumpkins looking to bury it?
 
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Mick said:
Does anybody remember that time back in June 2016 when Trump's family and Manafort meet with Russian agents in Trump Tower? That lone fact should be enough to make you question where your loyalties truly are. Are you Americans looking for truth or Trumpkins looking to bury it?
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lol
 
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LouderVol said:
if the only thing Mueller has is trying to catch Trump in a lie his investigation is sunk.
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It was good enough for the GOP when it came to Clinton.

Regardless, I maintain that there is going to be quite a bit of material to show corruption of Trump, either through finance matters, collusion, or the like, and that the purpose of this exercise is to add as much grounds for impeachment as possible so that the 36 % does not lose their collective mind when it comes time to act on it all.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It was good enough for the GOP when it came to Clinton.

Regardless, I maintain that there is going to be quite a bit of material to show corruption of Trump, either through finance matters, collusion, or the like, and that the purpose of this exercise is to add as much grounds for impeachment as possible so that the 36 % does not lose their collective mind when it comes time to act on it all.
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They've got him now?
 
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Gregg Jarrett: Method of Obtaining FISA Warrant 'The Definition of Government Corruption'

Access Denied

So now it's coming to light that the middle-men were Clinton associate Cody Shearer and former State Department official Jonathan Winer (a friend of Steele's).

Winer (longtime Senate aide to John Kerry)was deputy assistant secretary of state for international law enforcement, and the U.S. Special Envoy for Libya.

Shearer is a longtime Clinton family operative whose brother was a Bill Clinton-era ambassador and whose late sister married Clinton State Department official Strobe Talbott.

He was tied closely to Hillary Clinton-whisperer Sidney Blumenthal (nickname: Sid Vicious) during Clinton's tenure as secretary of State, collecting intelligence in Libya that Blumenthal would pass on to the future Democratic presidential nominee.

Ahhy yay yay!
 
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