TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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evillawyer said:
Pray tell, have any of the lies, hypocrisy, insults, obvious mismanagement, etc. done anything to erode your support of him? If not, what would?
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Do you honestly believe this behavior is only indicative of Trump? Honestly, imo, you just described every politician of my lifetime. Yet you've clearly supported some of those as long as they had that ever important "D" next to their name. So please spare me your faux moral outrage.
 
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Weezer said:
Do you honestly believe this behavior is only indicative of Trump? Honestly, imo, you just described every politician of my lifetime. Yet you've clearly supported some of those as long as they had that ever important "D" next to their name. So please spare me your faux moral outrage.
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The volume is unique to Trump. Surely you don't want to argue that if a politician has told one lie there's no difference between him and Trump, do you?
 
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evillawyer said:
As a Democrat, I look beyond my own selfish self-interests, so that's not really the right question for me.
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Sincerely hope you side-stepped fast enough to avoid the lightning strike.

Assuming you said that with a straight face, you're excellently qualified to be in politics yourself.
 
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evillawyer said:
We've actually drifted more into the impeachment territory than I wanted to go. That gets people too fired up. I'm more interested in "support," since it seems that for many on here whatever Trump does has no effect on your support for him. Although I'm a Dem, I'm pretty quick to withdraw support from them when I think it's warranted. Like I thought Menendez should have resigned (but not Al Franken). I was and am not a Hillary fan (who I think was two-faced and dishonest), but I voted for her as the lesser of two evils.

So I just want to know something really basic--when is it too much and you just say no more? I could care less about who he banged (assuming he/she is of age)--and I've said that before--but I do think it's serious if he knowingly conspired to violate campaign finance laws. I also think it's serious if, for example, he's been laundering money (NY Times story this weekend on lots of all cash transactions where he had previously relied largely on debt, which is very unusual) or engaged in other felonies in his business dealings or colluded with Russia or obstructed justice.

I know as a Dem, my threshold will be different than yours (the anti-immigrant stuff is what initially got him on my bad side), but I really do want to know when you will say the lies, incompetency, misogyny, xenophobia, etc. is too much.
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So you’re still leaning on the morals stuff in the last paragraph. That won’t fly with judging Trump and everybody knew who they were getting. He has if anything been consistent on his behavior. And yeah it drives you guys nucking futts we know. You guys tell us aaaaaaallllll about it.

Sadly for you guys being a ****ty human being isn’t a crime. For me that’s the line. He’s got to break the law in a way that gets him impeached by both houses. And if he passes that I can accept it.
 
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Weezer said:
Sincerely hope you side-stepped fast enough to avoid the lightning strike.

Assuming you said that with a straight face, you're excellently qualified to be in politics yourself.
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If I voted my self-interest I would definitely be a Republican. But that's not what I vote on. My response was given to a question as to how any of the bad things I thought Trump did affected me individually.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So you’re still leaning on the morals stuff in the last paragraph. That won’t fly with judging Trump and everybody knew who they were getting. He has if anything been consistent on his behavior. And yeah it drives you guys nucking futts we know. You guys tell us aaaaaaallllll about it.

Sadly for you guys being a ****ty human being isn’t a crime. For me that’s the line. He’s got to break the law in a way that gets him impeached by both houses. And if he passes that I can accept it.
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So as long as the behavior is legal (or maybe even illegal, but not sufficient to get him actually impeached), he can do it and he won't lose your support?
 
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evillawyer said:
We've actually drifted more into the impeachment territory than I wanted to go. That gets people too fired up. I'm more interested in "support," since it seems that for many on here whatever Trump does has no effect on your support for him. Although I'm a Dem, I'm pretty quick to withdraw support from them when I think it's warranted. Like I thought Menendez should have resigned (but not Al Franken). I was and am not a Hillary fan (who I think was two-faced and dishonest), but I voted for her as the lesser of two evils.

So I just want to know something really basic--when is it too much and you just say no more? I could care less about who he banged (assuming he/she is of age)--and I've said that before--but I do think it's serious if he knowingly conspired to violate campaign finance laws. I also think it's serious if, for example, he's been laundering money (NY Times story this weekend on lots of all cash transactions where he had previously relied largely on debt, which is very unusual) or engaged in other felonies in his business dealings or colluded with Russia or obstructed justice.

I know as a Dem, my threshold will be different than yours (the anti-immigrant stuff is what initially got him on my bad side), but I really do want to know when you will say the lies, incompetency, misogyny, xenophobia, etc. is too much.
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You misspelled anti-illegal immigrant.
 
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evillawyer said:
The volume is unique to Trump. Surely you don't want to argue that if a politician has told one lie there's no difference between him and Trump, do you?
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I disagree with the volume comment. Both Clintons were notorious liars, yet you admitted you voted for Hillary, even though you said you didn't like her. Hello hypocrisy? The difference is every time Trump lies, misstates, gets confused, or whatever else, the MSM cuts into regularly scheduled programs to whine about it. When a Dem does it, they cover it up or make excuses as quickly as possible.
 
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evillawyer said:
If I voted my self-interest I would definitely be a Republican. But that's not what I vote on. My response was given to a question as to how any of the bad things I thought Trump did affected me individually.
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That’s definitely not true either.... I think many in the democrat party believe they care about other people but their party heads only care about winning votes whether it hurts America or not.
 
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evillawyer said:
So as long as the behavior is legal (or maybe even illegal, but not sufficient to get him actually impeached), he can do it and he won't lose your support?
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That’s a very broad statement and no I won’t agree to that. As I’ve just tried to communicate I don’t really view Trump’s behavior as I do previous presidents. Again I’ve used the term “consistent” many times. He has been consistent in his behavior. And people didn’t care enough to not elect him. That’s a pretty damn powerful statement. Unless he radically doubles down in that most aren’t going to care. And I honestly don’t pay that much attention to it. I would submit your sanity would be better if you didn’t either.
 
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Prove Trump colluded with Russia to win the election and I'll support impeaching him. All I've seen so far is wishful thinking. Prove he committed a violent crime and I'll support impeaching him. Hell, if he lies under oath, impeach him in the House but keep with the Clinton precedent and leave him in office.
 
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evillawyer said:
If I voted my self-interest I would definitely be a Republican. But that's not what I vote on. My response was given to a question as to how any of the bad things I thought Trump did affected me individually.
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I am not a Republican, nor am I a Democrat. There are issues a lean right on and others I lean left. What gets me about the Democratic party though is the Messiah complex they tend to practice. I believe in helping those who truly need help. The Democrats are not very discerning in who they aid. You complain about laws being broken, but do you, like most Democrats look the other way on illegal immigration? The Dems love to scream about laws while not practicing themselves. And I'm not saying the Republicans are better, but they do tend to be less whiny about it imo.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Every statement in your post is false
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No it isn’t LG and I’ll say that because I feel the same way. I didn’t vote for Barry Hussein but our electoral process chose him. Twice. Thus he was my president. And I wanted him to succeed. Just like 72.

You on the other hand have absolutely zero objectivity left. None. Nada. You are totally blinded in your outrage over Hills being robbed and your hatred that Trump did it.

Don’t throw Hills in our faces it’s YOU guys that won’t move on and accept it. He’s your president. You didn’t vote for him but why not hope he does right by the country and put your worn out petty bull**** aside huh?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Every statement in your post is false
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Why do you say that? I lived through Nixon resigning, and saw what it did to the country. I saw the divide over Clinton. As much as I didn't like him, I didn't think it warranted removing him from Office.

I think removal is a last resort. I prefer waiting them out, and making a change at the ballot box. I have never said on this forum that Obama should be removed from office. I hated him, but not enough to take him down. I waited him out, as I waited out many, many others.
 
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The vexxing problem of the Stormy situation for trump...

On the one hand, he claims he "had no knowledge" of the payment made to her when it happened and, ergo, did not directly approve of that payment. Further, he did not sign the NDA.

On the other hand, Trump's attorneys say the NDA is in full force.

Couple obvious questions:

(1) Can an attorney make a payment on behalf of his client and enter the client into such a contract without his knowledge or consent? Did Cohen's retainer grant him the implied authority to do so? There seems to be an issue here given client rights. If an attorney binds a third party to a contract, doesn't that smack of lack of due process? What if, to use an extreme, Cohen entered Trump into a contract to pay Russian trolls to aid his campaign. If made public, Trump would obviously deny the ability of a third party to enter a contract on his behalf without his knowledge or consent. Thus, Cohen's payment and NDA implicitly suggests Trump was at least made aware of the intent of Cohen's actions.

(2) What is the upshot of Trumps effort to enforce the NDA? Does Daniels have additional damning evidence? It seems this is the only logical rationale to quash her efforts given the obvious political and legal ramifications of saying or doing anything regarding her.

I think it's safe to say that we still don't know the full story here. Most people presume Trump had the affair and paid her off. So why fight? Is it Trump's ego? Is he falling for the bait dangled by Daniels attorney?
 
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#6,845
Why isn’t Mueller investigating the real Russian collusion??

Check out Finding #38...Christopher Steele claims to have obtained his dossier information second- and third-hand from purported high-placed Russian sources, such as government officials with links to the Kremlin and intelligence services.

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/russia_report_findings_and_recommendations.pdf


Good breakdown of findings:

Clapper Provided “Inconsistent Testimony” – House Intelligence Final Findings
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
The vexxing problem of the Stormy situation for trump...

On the one hand, he claims he "had no knowledge" of the payment made to her when it happened and, ergo, did not directly approve of that payment. Further, he did not sign the NDA.

On the other hand, Trump's attorneys say the NDA is in full force.

Couple obvious questions:

(1) Can an attorney make a payment on behalf of his client and enter the client into such a contract without his knowledge or consent? Did Cohen's retainer grant him the implied authority to do so? There seems to be an issue here given client rights. If an attorney binds a third party to a contract, doesn't that smack of lack of due process? What if, to use an extreme, Cohen entered Trump into a contract to pay Russian trolls to aid his campaign. If made public, Trump would obviously deny the ability of a third party to enter a contract on his behalf without his knowledge or consent.

(2) What is the upshot of Trumps effort to enforce the NDA? Does Daniels have additional damning evidence? It seems this is the only logical rationale to quash her efforts given the obvious political and legal ramifications of saying or doing anything regarding her.

I think it's safe to say that we still don't know the full story here. Most people presume Trump had the affair and paid her off. So why fight? Is it Trump's ego? Is he falling for the bait dangled by Daniels attorney?
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I had no clue Stormy D was Russian.
 
#6,847
#6,847
OuterBanksVol said:
The vexxing problem of the Stormy situation for trump...

On the one hand, he claims he "had no knowledge" of the payment made to her when it happened and, ergo, did not directly approve of that payment. Further, he did not sign the NDA.

On the other hand, Trump's attorneys say the NDA is in full force.

Couple obvious questions:

(1) Can an attorney make a payment on behalf of his client and enter the client into such a contract without his knowledge or consent? Did Cohen's retainer grant him the implied authority to do so? There seems to be an issue here given client rights. If an attorney binds a third party to a contract, doesn't that smack of lack of due process? What if, to use an extreme, Cohen entered Trump into a contract to pay Russian trolls to aid his campaign. If made public, Trump would obviously deny the ability of a third party to enter a contract on his behalf without his knowledge or consent.

(2) What is the upshot of Trumps effort to enforce the NDA? Does Daniels have additional damning evidence? It seems this is the only logical rationale to quash her efforts given the obvious political and legal ramifications of saying or doing anything regarding her.

I think it's safe to say that we still don't know the full story here. Most people presume Trump had the affair and paid her off. So why fight? Is it Trump's ego? Is he falling for the bait dangled by Daniels attorney?
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I think that the number one answer is WGAF?
 
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