TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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Perhaps Mueller should be looking at all facets of this investigation. It seems like he's already gone above and beyond his calling. Might as well make it a non-partisan affair and look into everyone involved.

Documents suggest possible coordination between CIA, FBI, Obama WH and Dem officials early in Trump-Russia probe: investigators | Fox News

Newly uncovered text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page suggest a possible coordination between high-ranking officials at the Obama White House, CIA, FBI, Justice Department and former Senate Democratic leadership in the early stages of the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to GOP congressional investigators on Wednesday.

The investigators say the information provided to Fox News “strongly” suggests coordination between former President Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, and CIA Director John Brennan — which they say would “contradict” the Obama administration’s public stance about its hand in the process.

“We are not making conclusions. What we are saying is that the timeline is concerning enough to warrant the appointment of an independent investigator to look at whether or not the Obama White House was involved [in the Trump-Russia investigation],” a GOP congressional source told Fox News.

An FBI spokesman did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.

The congressional investigators pointed out to Fox News that the CIA and FBI are supposed to be “independent agencies,” and noted that “coordination between political actors at the White House and investigators would be inappropriate,” raising questions about the level of involvement of Obama White House officials.
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps Mueller should be looking at all facets of this investigation. It seems like he's already gone above and beyond his calling. Might as well make it a non-partisan affair and look into everyone involved.
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I think Muller is doing exactly what he was tasked to do.
 
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Perhaps Mueller should be looking at all facets of this investigation. It seems like he's already gone above and beyond his calling. Might as well make it a non-partisan affair and look into everyone involved.

Documents suggest possible coordination between CIA, FBI, Obama WH and Dem officials early in Trump-Russia probe: investigators | Fox News
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I had no idea that the President, CIA, FBI, DOJ, can not coordinate efforts and share information and it has been proven that a President can declassify whatever to whoever whenever he want. What is the crime you hope to find? Remember Nunes coming from the WH with classified information and running back to the WH with the smoking gun to tell the media that Trump Tower was wiretapped through microwaves and smart TV's.

The supposed bipartisan notion of the HIC that has release a memo from none other than Nunes, and Jeff Sessions also being investigated for his role of contacts with Russians that it has gotten to this point. Seems like a fair amount of coordination going on to attack the FBI and CIA.
 
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RuRowww!!

Another bombshell revelation about White House coordination in the spying operation on the Trump team.

COLLUSION DELUSION: New Documents Show OBAMA Officials, FBI COORDINATED in Anti-Trump Probe | Sara A. Carter


“This sequence of events strongly suggests the FBI encouraged Reid to write this letter to legitimize its surveillance of Carter Page,” congressional investigators stated.

Congressional Findings:

What began as an investigation into allegations of Russian cyber hacking of the DNC was eventually broadened into an investigation of the Trump campaign.

By sending high-ranking officials and led to brief members of Congress on the possibility of Russian interference in the 2016 election, the DNC hack, and the possibility Trump campaign associates were in contact with Russia, the FBI was given cover for the investigation they had recently opened on Trump with questionable legal justification.

The intelligence community has admitted Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election were only the most “recent expression” of their longstanding desire to undermine US elections.

It appears based on the information “insurance policy” in case Trump won, these briefings by the intelligence community to Congress, which led to several members calling for investigations into Russian interference and Trump, were perfectly timed to plant seeds of doubt in the outcome of the 2016 election.

By utilizing the FBI’s cyber division to look into the DNC hack, the agents exhibiting improper political biases from the FBI’s counterintelligence division, Lisa Page, and Peter Strzok, were offered cover.
 
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I had no idea that the President, CIA, FBI, DOJ, can not coordinate efforts and share information and it has been proven that a President can declassify whatever to whoever whenever he want. What is the crime you hope to find? Remember Nunes coming from the WH with classified information and running back to the WH with the smoking gun to tell the media that Trump Tower was wiretapped through microwaves and smart TV's.

The supposed bipartisan notion of the HIC that has release a memo from none other than Nunes, and Jeff Sessions also being investigated for his role of contacts with Russians that it has gotten to this point. Seems like a fair amount of coordination going on to attack the FBI and CIA.
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There's 10X more circumstantial evidence and coincidences to support these possibilities, than the ridiculous Trump-Russia collusion fantasy.

The Obama team, spied on the Trump team. It's a fact. End of story. Is it illegal? I'm not too too sure.

HRC/DNC funnelled money through Perkins Coie, to insulate collusion and arms-length with FusionGPS to collude with multiple foreign agents, as well as other Obamanites and Clintinites...that, there my friend, is 10X more circumstantial evidence any day of the week.

Now it's time to focus on the real 'potential' criminal conspiracies.
 
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I read Gowdy’s statement but I submit they need to let the OIG do some digging before engaging in another special prosecutor. You already have the Congressional review which meets the test of bipartisan. You can argue all you want that it was bipartisanship in its findings but both parties participated and got their written statements and sound bites.

Now they engage the OIG whom by their very charter are supposed to be apolitical (I know... so is DOJ and FBI supposed to be...) and I think that’s correct.

I just hope the OIG has the resources to get a move on. And if OIG comes back with “we cannot compel party X to respond however we believe their response to be material to our investigation” that might get sticky. And I would expect them to get there pretty quickly.
 
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I read Gowdy’s statement but I submit they need to let the OIG do some digging before engaging in another special prosecutor. You already have the Congressional review which meets the test of bipartisan. You can argue all you want that it was bipartisanship in its findings but both parties participated and got their written statements and sound bites.

Now they engage the OIG whom by their very charter are supposed to be apolitical (I know... so is DOJ and FBI supposed to be...) and I think that’s correct.

I just hope the OIG has the resources to get a move on. And if OIG comes back with “we cannot compel party X to respond however we believe their response to be material to our investigation” that might get sticky. And I would expect them to get there pretty quickly.
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The OIG has been digging for over a year.

OIG report should be released in the next month or so.
 
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The OIG has been digging for over a year.

OIG report should be released in the next month or so.
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Different topic. New investigation here. The fact they’ve been digging on the old one for ovet a year was the basis for my “get a move on” comment.

Another possible outcome is the existing OIG investigation could yield fruit alone to commit a second prosecutor tho.
 
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Different topic. New investigation here. The fact they’ve been digging on the old one for ovet a year was the basis for my “get a move on” comment.

Another possible outcome is the existing OIG investigation could yield fruit alone to commit a second prosecutor tho.
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Not a new topic in my opinion.

Widespread corruption in all government agencies is fair game. OIG doesn't have to limit scope of investigation to one agency or "topic".
 
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Not a new topic in my opinion.

Widespread corruption in all government agencies is fair game. OIG doesn't have to limit scope of investigation to one agency or "topic".
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I don’t disagree with your statement. I’m just pointing out it’s another investigation related to the email server, Steele, and the whole FISC fiasco.

Call it two separate or one big one with increased scope.
 
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I don't think anyone minds if there is a review of the FISA court and warrant application process.

But the effort by the Trump nuthuggers to make it look like the entire national security apparatus and the FBI and DOJ all conspired out of politics (most of them Republicans) to manufacture a justification to go after Trump is just ludicrous. And that is if for no other reason than that we know for a fact there was the June meeting to try to get dirt on her and Trump's own actions then and later demonstrate a reasonable grounds to suggest a problem and potential compromise of Trump that is at a minimum certainly worthy of investigation.
 
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I don't think anyone minds if there is a review of the FISA court and warrant application process.

But the effort by the Trump nuthuggers to make it look like the entire national security apparatus and the FBI and DOJ all conspired out of politics (most of them Republicans) to manufacture a justification to go after Trump is just ludicrous. And that is if for no other reason than that we know for a fact there was the June meeting to try to get dirt on her and Trump's own actions then and later demonstrate a reasonable grounds to suggest a problem and potential compromise of Trump that is at a minimum certainly worthy of investigation.
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Bull****. If anything the entire national security apparatus is obviously questionable and anybody related to running it is suspect. Including Muller. The FBI and DOJ are absolutely laughable compared to their performance and integrity pre 2000 days.

Edit: and before you start up on appointee party affiliations that fact you bring it up alone should draw scrutiny. They are apolitical. Their party or who appointed them isn’t supposed to matter! If it suddenly did then they’ve compromised their own integrity!
 
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I don't think anyone minds if there is a review of the FISA court and warrant application process.

But the effort by the Trump nuthuggers to make it look like the entire national security apparatus and the FBI and DOJ all conspired out of politics (most of them Republicans) to manufacture a justification to go after Trump is just ludicrous. And that is if for no other reason than that we know for a fact there was the June meeting to try to get dirt on her and Trump's own actions then and later demonstrate a reasonable grounds to suggest a problem and potential compromise of Trump that is at a minimum certainly worthy of investigation.
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Answer one question truthfully, non-partisan and objectively please.

With everything that's come out of the FBI as of late, would you not consider it an agency mired in troubles?

Two questions if you dare...

Do you believe the FBI is in need of a serious top down review and a bunch of career bureaucrats needing to be kicked to the curb?
 
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Answer one question truthfully, non-partisan and objectively please.

With everything that's come out of the FBI as of late, would you not consider it an agency mired in troubles?

Two questions if you dare...

Do you believe the FBI is in need of a serious top down review and a bunch of career bureaucrats needing to be kicked to the curb?
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I think that no matter what I say you and the like-minded folks on here are not interested in anything that does not give you ammo to at least downplay, if not dismiss, the results of the investigation.

That is what is so disingenuous about the whole side show over it. It's just to undermine whatever facts are established by the investigation.

So let's see what those turn out to be. And whether at that point you still insist on collateral attacks on the institutions involved.
 
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I think that no matter what I say you and the like-minded folks on here are not interested in anything that does not give you ammo to at least downplay, if not dismiss, the results of the investigation.

That is what is so disingenuous about the whole side show over it. It's just to undermine whatever facts are established by the investigation.

So let's see what those turn out to be. And whether at that point you still insist on collateral attacks on the institutions involved.
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So...

You can't answer without either being a partisan hack or lying through your fingers.

Got it.
 
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I think that no matter what I say you and the like-minded folks on here are not interested in anything that does not give you ammo to at least downplay, if not dismiss, the results of the investigation.

That is what is so disingenuous about the whole side show over it. It's just to undermine whatever facts are established by the investigation.

So let's see what those turn out to be. And whether at that point you still insist on collateral attacks on the institutions involved.
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I’ll give you some ammo then. I don’t care who appointed who at this point. I don’t care if it’s career officials back to Bush 43. ( Holder was actually an acting AG for 43 btw).

Any career professional in the NSA, CIA, DOJ, or FBI should welcome a top down review. Because right now they’re all a damn cesspool from what I see!!

But instead you just cop out? What a wuss. At least Luther nuts up and takes the abuse for his stance instead of your chicken **** cop out.
 
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