Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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ButchPlz said:
You're assuming life is like a bad 90s action movie. They're not going out and hiring a hitman.

They simply open the door for a crazy. It just so happens the 20 year old dweeb is who walked through. The government has been (provably) using these types for a while now.
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Yep, that seems to be part of the long game being played...the last several decades have been spent polarizing folks to the point where, in such a large sample group, there's bound to be moonbats of every type and perauasion and those who are pulling strings simply have to leave a door open, so to speak.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Opposite sentiment though. Buying the DJT puts is a bet that underlying DJT shares will drop in price. The Game Stop meme gang discovered that Game Stop had been shorted so heavily that there weren’t enough shares in the open market to cover the short positions. So the meme guys organized a short squeeze by banding together, buying shares, and therefore driving up the stock price which created margin calls on the GME shorters. Brokers stepped in to save those that were shorting by not allowing the small, retail traders to buy shares. The GME meme guys were done wrong. The big guys that shorted GME shouldn’t have been rescued by the brokers.
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Sounds like in this case it was a hedge against an existing position moreso than a bet that the stock was going down.
 
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ButchPlz said:
At some point, though, a series of relatively improbable incompetent events ceases to become the simplest explanation...
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It's really hard for me to believe the US Secret Service failed so many times in a row at the same event. . . failures that occured day after day and all pertaining to the same directive.

I might be convinced they failed once because of negligence. I can't believe they failed multiple times for days on end.
 
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StarRaider said:
TDS is real
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The funny thing is both the tweet and the retweet showcase TDS.

To be clear, you want to sue people for believing conspiracies simply because of the Alex Jones case? That's really what you want? AJ didn't lose his case because he believes a theory.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
It's really hard for me to believe the US Secret Service failed so many times in a row at the same event. . . failures that occured day after day and all pertaining to the same directive.

I might be convinced they failed once because of negligence. I can't believe they failed multiple times for days on end.
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That's understandable. I'll take a different approach with it, based on the explanations we are getting and the spotty reports of what happened, how could the usss not have multiple failures?

We are only exposed to their leadership when something goes wrong. But Mojo was right, the leadership is a cluster of incompetency.
 
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StarRaider said:
Fox has learned that Senators were told in the all-member briefing today that Thomas Crooks wrote on a gaming platform called ‘Steam’, July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds”

”When investigators reviewed the laptop, they found a few searches in July of: Trump, Biden, when is DNC convention, and July 13 Trump rally

Investigators have found no evidence of a particular ideology, which the FBI believes is notable, and nobody in interviews reported Crooks discussing politics.

Suspect has two cell phones, primary phone was recovered from the scene along with a remote transmitter (detonator). Secondary cell phone was found at the home, it had only 27 contacts and the FBI is in the process of tracking down and interviewing those people.

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there was a number to press if a senator wanted to ask a question during the briefing conference call.... guess how many repub senators were called on to ask their question?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There were plenty of misses in Dealey Plaza before they finally had to get the emergency kill shot from the front/Grassy Knoll.

Also, this nonsense about him being a poor shot needs to stop.
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From what I have been told it only had a red dot at 150m or so. Up on a roof without any type of rest, being harassed by police first. Its very hard to judge either way. This was not an ideal situation. Also, he did hit 4 people and one of them is gone, in a war he would have done more than his part.

Trump is still one very lucky Orange. I mean, of all colors to be that ain't it. 😂
 
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McDad said:
That's understandable. I'll take a different approach with it, based on the explanations we are getting and the spotty reports of what happened, how could the usss not have multiple failures?

We are only exposed to their leadership when something goes wrong. But Mojo was right, the leadership is a cluster of incompetency.
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If that's the case there should be glaring failures across the board. If they can fail so hard at their #1 objective, there must be failures everywhere. I don't believe they can fail at the #1 goal over and over for multiple days. Not to mention the reports of staff changes for this particular event and completely rearranging how they set-up a rally.

Do we have any idea of the # of failures that had to occur in order for Crooks to get to the point where he fired off up to 9 rounds at a US President? Literally, failures for days.

I just have a hard time believing the Secret Service can have such a complete collapse in regard to their #1 objective. I can think of 4 massive failures during the moments of the shooting alone. . . we could take all the posters in this thread and do a better job guarding the president than these people did that weekend.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
If that's the case there should be glaring failures across the board. If they can fail so hard at their #1 objective, there must be failures everywhere. I don't believe they can fail at the #1 goal over and over for multiple days. Not to mention the reports of staff changes for this particular event and completely rearranging how they set-up a rally.

Do we have any idea of the # of failures that had to occur in order for Crooks to get to the point where he fired off up to 9 rounds at a US President? Literally, failures for days.

I just have a hard time believing the Secret Service can have such a complete collapse in regard to their #1 objective. I can think of 4 massive failures during the moments of the shooting alone. . . we could take all the posters in this thread and do a better job guarding the president than these people did that weekend.
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Maybe they weren't failure, but successes? Maybe the ultimate goal was not achieved but primarily ones were achieved to provide an opportunity for a crack at the ultimate goal?

You see "failures" because you don't believe anything else is possible.

we could take all the posters in this thread and do a better job guarding the president than these people did that weekend
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Okay, what does that start to look like at that point, especially since that time nothing makes sense?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not sure what this means. We definitely have democracy, democracy just isn't as good as advertised.
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The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system — i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

I guess the Pledge of Allegiance did have a purpose…”and in the Republic for which it stands.”. Civics really needs to be required in schools; I see things like “why doesn’t President put in a new Supreme Court to support his agenda”; “why doesn’t the President pass a law”.

Executive, Legislative, Judicial. Congress makes the laws - legislates. The President sees to implementation of the laws Congress passes - executes them (and NOT in the definition of killing them🙂‍). The Supreme Court verifies the laws are constitutional when questioned - adjudicates. No the Supreme Court does NOT make law - the times I have seen that claimed, anymore than Congress or the President, gets to make the ultimate decision of a law’s constitutionality.

Somehow, I may be wrong, but I think you already know all of the above. May be wrong, maybe you don’t. I’ve been surprised and disappointed before now.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
That's more likely than the SS failing in such a prolific way, imo.
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Plausible deniability. It doesn't actually take a ton. So what if someone gets fired?

Once people realize their own government manufactured a story and evidence, and conspired against a candidate elect and a sitting President - is it so hard to believe?

The coordination with Russia Gate at the highest levels of government foreign and domestic took way more than this attempt would take.

All the pieces of the pie to with what the Bush Family was doing with illegal drug and arms trading involving 100s if not 1000s of people was on a whole other scale. Basically it was a whole giant enterprise. Basically, nobody went to jail, Papa Bush stayed an arms length away as VP.

I was more or less defending the SS on many levels on Monday, well, that went out the window.... looks like a ton more than incompetence to me.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Plausible deniability. It doesn't actually take a ton. So what if someone gets fired?

Once people realize their own government manufactured a story and evidence, and conspired against a candidate elect and a sitting President - is it so hard to believe?

The coordination with Russia Gate at the highest levels of government foreign and domestic took way more than this attempt would take.

All the pieces of the pie to with what the Bush Family was doing with illegal drug and arms trading involving 100s if not 1000s of people was on a whole other scale. Basically it was a whole giant enterprise. Basically, nobody went to jail, Papa Bush stayed an arms length away as VP.

I was more or less defending the SS on many levels on Monday, well, that went out the window.... looks like a ton more than incompetence to me.
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I just don't understand why people dismiss government malice so easily now, especially after the last few years.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
If that's the case there should be glaring failures across the board. If they can fail so hard at their #1 objective, there must be failures everywhere. I don't believe they can fail at the #1 goal over and over for multiple days. Not to mention the reports of staff changes for this particular event and completely rearranging how they set-up a rally.

Do we have any idea of the # of failures that had to occur in order for Crooks to get to the point where he fired off up to 9 rounds at a US President? Literally, failures for days.

I just have a hard time believing the Secret Service can have such a complete collapse in regard to their #1 objective. I can think of 4 massive failures during the moments of the shooting alone. . . we could take all the posters in this thread and do a better job guarding the president than these people did that weekend.
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If I understand you correctly, I think there are glaring failures across the board. Perimeter, communication, number of personnel available, no contingency for sloped roof (apparently), Trump allowed to go on stage with a known active threat, Crpoks walking around evaluating the best opportunity, nobody stationed on a known advantageous point. And those are just the ones I can recall off the top of my head.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I just don't understand why people dismiss government malice so easily now, especially after the last few years.
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The government that publicly murdered Americans is afraid to do it again? DOJ said they didn't do anything wrong with murdering Americans.

(not really a question for you)

I have not made a final determination, but its very much possible.
 
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