troubling issue in the Pac-12.

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No one ever questions racial quotas when blacks far outnumber whites in a team or league player makeup. Soooooo sick of race being constantly brought up in every fricken aspect of our society. Unfortunately it will never end.
Nor should it. It should never end until there’s no longer a reason to bring it up.
 
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No one ever questions racial quotas when blacks far outnumber whites in a team or league player makeup. Soooooo sick of race being constantly brought up in every fricken aspect of our society. Unfortunately it will never end.

Of course not because the majority profiting off of those people are white people. That’s just a fact. So why would anyone complain about players when they are providing entertainment or making them money?

But unless you walk a mile in someone else’s shoes try being understanding rather than sick of a problem and hoping it goes away.

Muffett Mcgraw just brought up an issue about equality for women it goes along the same lines. If there are qualified candidates out there and they are not getting a shake for whatever reason is should be addressed. And yes I would feel the same way if the NBA or any other league wasn’t giving a fair shake to anyone of a certain ethnicity.
 
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It should always be an issue, as long as the hiring numbers r skewed and there is an adequate pool of qualified minority candidates....

I agree not only the Pac 12 Felisha Legette-Jack and to me one of the most troubling issue for me with her story is she said I was a coach that got fired. I`m pretty sure there are many coaches that got fired and received a phone call, She put out 50 resumes and took UConn down to wire was the best team in there conference i guess it was not enough.
 
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Racism and gender bias is a very real thing. To say it's not is just a lie you tell yourself or you have never been exposed to it (virtually impossible). There are no women college basketball coaches that coach men's teams...and yet...there are many male coaches, coaching women's teams. The same problem lies with the color barrier. I am a white male and I know all too well how people of color and women are discussed when no one is around. It would make you sick you if you are a normal human being to hear some of those discussions. The only thing you know about other people..or they know about you...is what you are comfortable about telling others. I had a guy tell me.."I am not racist, I have many black friends." To which I replied..."It's how you judge people of color who are not your friends that define you." If you have a negative blanket sense of people of color that you don't know personally as a friend...then you are a racist in spite of the fact you have friends of color. Stop sugar coating facts ! It won't change because there is a factor called "tribalism". It's inherent and it's hard to overcome. It's the very thing that make Tennessee fans hate Alabama fans...it's nothing more than tribalism at it's worse.
 
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Of course not because the majority profiting off of those people are white people. That’s just a fact. So why would anyone complain about players when they are providing entertainment or making them money?

But unless you walk a mile in someone else’s shoes try being understanding rather than sick of a problem and hoping it goes away.

Muffett Mcgraw just bought up an issue about equality for women it goes along the same lines. If there are qualified candidates out there and they are not getting a shake for whatever reason is should be addressed. And yes I would feel the same way if the NBA or any other league wasn’t giving a fair shake to anyone of a certain ethnicity.

but but but ....the libs keep telling us that there is no difference in men and women...so why the conflict?
 
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but but but ....the libs keep telling us that there is no difference in men and women...so why the conflict?

Comments such as this one that demonstrate why message boards are not a place for any kind of reasoned consideration conversation on complex social issues. And no, Mr. but, but, but, "libs" don't say there are no differences between men and women.

Rather, the key concern is fairness and equity. Women won the right to vote in the US in 1920 and their argument was that women had a right to political enfranchisment. The quest for fair treatment and to not to be denied opportunities simply because of one's gender has been the primary theme of the women's movement for over 100 years.

but, but, but I know Rush Limbaugh says different. Guess what, he preys on the ignorance and prejudices of his audience.

[I just don't get why people who are so threatened by the idea of gender equality participate in a women's basketball board.]
 
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Comments such as this one that demonstrate why message boards are not a place for any kind of reasoned consideration conversation on complex social issues. And no, Mr. but, but, but, "libs" don't say there are no differences between men and women.

Rather, the key concern is fairness and equity. Women won the right to vote in the US in 1920 and their argument was that women had a right to political enfranchisment. The quest for fair treatment and to not to be denied opportunities simply because of one's gender has been the primary theme of the women's movement for over 100 years.

but, but, but I know Rush Limbaugh says different. Guess what, he preys on the ignorance and prejudices of his audience.

[I just don't get why people who are so threatened by the idea of gender equality participate in a women's basketball board.]

How are you any better by saying a group of people are all prejudiced and stupid? Seriously, paint with a broad brush much?

I don't get why people are so threatened by a man being involved in the women's game? You run around saying don't hire a man, don't hire a man but scream for equality for all. No one is threatened by gender equality but people don't like is someone being treated differently because of their skin or gender. For example, why should I have to hire or interview someone just based on their skin color alone even though they're not qualified for the job? See the Rooney rule, it's stupid and insulting to everyone involved.

Please share an example or 2 that prove women are being short changed in sports today and the examples can not be due to lack of interest in the sport from the public.
 
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Where's the fake rage that Tennessee didn't hire her. Is Tennessee racist, I mean she does have a better win% than Kellie right?
 
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I said Ignorance (i.e. lack of knowledge or understanding ) not stupidity.

On ignorance:
History of the Rooney rule:
The rule is named after Dan Rooney, the former owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and former chairman of the league's diversity committee.

It was created as a reaction to the 2002 firings of head coaches Tony Dungy of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dennis Green of the Minnesota Vikings, at a time when Dungy had a winning record and Green had just had his first losing season in ten years. Shortly afterwards, U.S. civil rights attorneys Cyrus Mehri and Johnnie Cochran released a study showing that black head coaches, despite winning a higher percentage of games, were less likely to be hired and more likely to be fired than their white counterparts. Former NFL players Kellen Winslow and John Wooten then put together a self-described "affinity group" of minority scouts, coaches, and front-office personnel, to advocate for the rule's creation.[6]

Its purpose was to ensure that minority coaches, especially African Americans, would be considered for high-level coaching positions. Until 1979, when Tom Flores was hired by the Raiders, Fritz Pollard was the only minority head coach in NFL history (which was during the league's early years in the 1920s)[7] and by the time the rule was implemented, only Tom Flores, Art Shell, Dennis Green, Ray Rhodes, Tony Dungy, and Herman Edwards had ever held head coaching jobs (only Dungy and Edwards were actively head coaching at the time of the rule's implementation, though Shell and Green would later return to head coaching).[8] Dungy in particular had struggled for years before getting a head coaching job; he was often promoted as a head coaching candidate by Chuck Noll when Dungy was an assistant under Noll in the 1980s with the Steelers, but he would not become a head coach until 1996 when he took over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Another former Steelers assistant, Marvin Lewis, also struggled to find a head coaching position despite immense success as the Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator and would not find a head coaching position until being hired by the Cincinnati Bengals in 2003, the year the Rooney Rule went into effect.[9]

So, basically, the Rooney rule was to correct systemic discrimination which kept QUALIFIED A-A coaches from ever being considered for coaching positions.

The rule does not require anyone to interview unqualified candidates.

Personally, I don't go around screaming "don't hire a man."

The issue that has been frequently discussed on this board is the inequity of men being considered for women's DI coaching but high caliber women's coaching not having the same consideration on the men's side.

So, the call is don't hire men but let me women also compete on both sides.

Get informed before you get angry.
 
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No one ever questions racial quotas when blacks far outnumber whites in a team or league player makeup. Soooooo sick of race being constantly brought up in every fricken aspect of our society. Unfortunately it will never end.
100% Agree and the answer to me is that if the best 12 or whatever players or coaches are black or white then and you are paid to win then you play the best hand!!
 
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I agree not only the Pac 12 Felisha Legette-Jack and to me one of the most troubling issue for me with her story is she said I was a coach that got fired. I`m pretty sure there are many coaches that got fired and received a phone call, She put out 50 resumes and took UConn down to wire was the best team in there conference i guess it was not enough.

Felisha Legette-jack is a horrible example..... she absolutely ran Indiana basketball into the ground to a tune of 6 wins overall and 1-15 in conference..... she was rightfully fired and their was such racial inequality that she was immediately hired at Buffalo.... is the 50 resumes thing real.... are there that many better jobs than buffalo available this year? Bottom line an AD gets fired if he makes the wrong choice and will hire who he/she is comfortable with.
 
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I said Ignorance (i.e. lack of knowledge or understanding ) not stupidity.

On ignorance:
History of the Rooney rule:
The rule is named after Dan Rooney, the former owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and former chairman of the league's diversity committee.

It was created as a reaction to the 2002 firings of head coaches Tony Dungy of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dennis Green of the Minnesota Vikings, at a time when Dungy had a winning record and Green had just had his first losing season in ten years. Shortly afterwards, U.S. civil rights attorneys Cyrus Mehri and Johnnie Cochran released a study showing that black head coaches, despite winning a higher percentage of games, were less likely to be hired and more likely to be fired than their white counterparts. Former NFL players Kellen Winslow and John Wooten then put together a self-described "affinity group" of minority scouts, coaches, and front-office personnel, to advocate for the rule's creation.[6]

Its purpose was to ensure that minority coaches, especially African Americans, would be considered for high-level coaching positions. Until 1979, when Tom Flores was hired by the Raiders, Fritz Pollard was the only minority head coach in NFL history (which was during the league's early years in the 1920s)[7] and by the time the rule was implemented, only Tom Flores, Art Shell, Dennis Green, Ray Rhodes, Tony Dungy, and Herman Edwards had ever held head coaching jobs (only Dungy and Edwards were actively head coaching at the time of the rule's implementation, though Shell and Green would later return to head coaching).[8] Dungy in particular had struggled for years before getting a head coaching job; he was often promoted as a head coaching candidate by Chuck Noll when Dungy was an assistant under Noll in the 1980s with the Steelers, but he would not become a head coach until 1996 when he took over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Another former Steelers assistant, Marvin Lewis, also struggled to find a head coaching position despite immense success as the Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator and would not find a head coaching position until being hired by the Cincinnati Bengals in 2003, the year the Rooney Rule went into effect.[9]

So, basically, the Rooney rule was to correct systemic discrimination which kept QUALIFIED A-A coaches from ever being considered for coaching positions.

The rule does not require anyone to interview unqualified candidates.

Personally, I don't go around screaming "don't hire a man" (maybe you should back off the bad moonshine if these hallucinations persist).

The issue that has been frequently discussed on this board is the inequity of men being considered for women's DI coaching but high caliber women's coaching not having the same consideration on the men's side.

So, the call is don't hire men but let me women also compete on both sides.

Get informed before you get angry.

The Rooney rule is a joke, Tee Martin interviewed for the Raiders opening a few years ago. It forces teams who already have a candidate in mind to interview someone based on the color of their skin. So you should be informed about what a joke the rule is before sounding off on it.

And you know damn well what you meant by the rush comment, don't be a wuss and try to walk it back now.

And I'll ask again since you're such a great warrior for social equality. Why aren't you mad the Buffalo coach didn't get hired here? Are you a racist?

Do you think the ND would want to be considered for a men's job after her recent comments? Do you think the women's style of game would mesh well with the men's? I don't, so give me another example of inequality in sports
 
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Women’s college basketball needs more Racial and Gender controversies in order to drum up fan support for the game.

These issues will surely not drive away the very small number of fans that women’s college basketball schools now enjoy.
Why would equality make anyone upset or push them away from watching the game?
 
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The Rooney rule is a joke, Tee Martin interviewed for the Raiders opening a few years ago. It forces teams who already have a candidate in mind to interview someone based on the color of their skin. So you should be informed about what a joke the rule is before sounding off on it.

And you know damn well what you meant by the rush comment, don't be a wuss and try to walk it back now.

And I'll ask again since you're such a great warrior for social equality. Why aren't you mad the Buffalo coach didn't get hired here? Are you a racist?

Just because a rule can be abused does not discredit its purpose and aims.

I can tell there is no point in engaging with you. I don't know anything about the "Buffalo coach" per se but the point is that qualified candidates are not systematically excluded from consideration based on their race or gender. That does not mean that every hire candidate needs to be a minority or a women.

I fully stand by what I said about Rush Limbaugh, he preys on the ignorance and prejudices of his audience.

Fact checking Rush Limbaugh

And sorry amigo, you don't get demand people give you examples.

If you are too lazy to become an informed citizen, well, you have a lot of company
 
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No one ever questions racial quotas when blacks far outnumber whites in a team or league player makeup. Soooooo sick of race being constantly brought up in every fricken aspect of our society. Unfortunately it will never end.
Pick the best coach no matter his/her race or gender. As a coach of color, I would never accept a job based upon the color of my skin, however, if I am the best qualified, I have earned the job.
 
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Just because a rule can be abused does not discredit its purpose and aims.

I can tell there is no point in engaging with you. I don't know anything about the "Buffalo coach" per se but the point is that qualified candidates are not systematically excluded from consideration based on their race or gender. That does not mean that every hire candidate needs to be a minority or a women.

I fully stand by what I said about Rush Limbaugh, he preys on the ignorance and prejudices of his audience.

Fact checking Rush Limbaugh

Rush Limbaugh, CNN, MSNBC, fox news they're all full of sh!t so what? Does that make the people who watch or listen prejudice? Ignorant?

Why can't you engage with me on the topic of the Buffalo coach? It is the topic of this thread? Equality for all right? So where is the fake rage that she didn't get an interview here? Maybe because she was barely qualified for the Buffalo job after being canned at Indiana? Maybe her less than 60% win percentage speaks louder than her vagina or skin color?

I'll ask this again, give me examples of where women aren't given equal opportunities in sports outside of lack of interest from the public?
 

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