Trey Smith's prognosis?

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Remy said:
What is it about the declaratve statement, "He is done." that you do not understand as a conclusion?
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On a message board? It’s an opinion. Might as well be out in outer space as far as weight. But it’s going to be discussed.
 
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butchna said:
I had your take when this first occurred and all the fatalistic declarations were issued on here...mainly because I remembered Tommie Frazier’s situation with Nebraska and he’s still scoring TD’s on Florida. For them to reoccur so shortly after he was cleared doesn’t need arrogance to come up with the same conclusion as BOT. Maybe medical miracles happen but his body’s telling him to take a different path imo.
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When it was announced during season I posted here that I thought he was likely done. But was there not a report just in the last week or so that said something about he was going to try to play next year?

Either way, I disagree, I think its arrogant to say something like that , that you don't know for sure. If he thinks he's going to try, who is anyone here to say he's not?
 
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Remy said:
I hear and understand what you are saying. Most likely Trey's career is at serious risk, just like it was last year. Being a patient with clots sitting there on one end of the examination table does not qualify one to make medical determinations about a different person with clots. If you're claiming you're an MD with treating that specialty, that is a different thing. I just find it very distasteful andf disrespectful people writing Trey off just like they did last year, when HE has not decided his career is over yet. There may be something new or different out there making his outcome different from your own, respect that is all I'm asking everybody to do when it comes to this young man.
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I haven't seen anybody being disrespectful towards Trey and his situation, more people being realistic. I didn't mean for my post in reply to you to come off as I know more about the situation than you or anybody else, that's just what the odds are. I would love to see Trey take the field next year at 100% I just don't think it'll happen. I'll be rooting the guy on either way.


What I am saying though is I would imagine for this happen in such a short time frame from one another, I would imagine it's something genetically that makes him more prone to clotting than some. That's what my situation is and believe it or not, it is somewhat similar. I was 16 years old playing baseball and in darn good shape, that's the only thing that saved my life. I wouldn't wish the hand of genentics I was dealt on anybody and I pray that's not Trey's situation. But there's more to it than it just happening twice. JMO
 
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butchna said:
I give a **** about his career at this point. Ask CJ Spiller’s family what the risks are worth. Really trying not to flame you man, but RESPECT goes both ways. Neither of us have a say in his future, at least one of us has experience with the subject if not the exact same condition
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Doing what I can to offer restraint on my end as well, have yet to take the flame thrower out of it's container. That said, I totally understand you don't care about Trey's career. No one here yet has made the claim they have first hand knowledge of Trey's particular medical chart if they have I missed it. Yet conclusions are offered as if they have not only about his medical future but football future. That is direspectful when Trey has yet to comment. There seems to be very clear evidence TREY cares about his career, has yet to write it off, and people without first hand knowledge of HIS particular case should be respectful is my ask especially Vol fans. After all, the same things were pushed last year and he and his medical consultants found a way for him to play. i'm good with whatever Trey communicates about his future, all of it.
 
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Behr said:
When it was announced during season I posted here that I thought he was likely done. But was there not a report just in the last week or so that said something about he was going to try to play next year?

Either way, I disagree, I think its arrogant to say something like that , that you don't know for sure. If he thinks he's going to try, who is anyone here to say he's not?
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When did anyone act like they had a say? In any case I hope there’s a miracle and he retires an All-Pro.
 
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Remy said:
Doing what I can to offer restraint on my end as well, have yet to take the flame thrower out of it's container. That said, I totally understand you don't care about Trey's career. No one here yet has made the claim they have first hand knowledge of Trey's particular medical chart if they have I missed it. Yet conclusions are offered as if they have not only about his medical future but football future. That is direspectful when Trey has yet to comment. There seems to be very clear evidence TREY cares about his career, has yet to write it off, and people without first hand knowledge of HIS particular case should be respectful is my ask especially Vol fans. After all, the same things were pushed last year and he and his medical consultants found a way for him to play. i'm good with whatever Trey communicates about his future, all of it.
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I didn’t disregard Trey’s priorities towards his career. Just mine. I hope he has a long healthy life. After that, if he has a HOF career in the NFL? Boffo.
 
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butchna said:
When did anyone act like they had a say? In any case I hope there’s a miracle and he retires an All-Pro.
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I don't know butchna, I didnt really say anyone "acted like they had a say ...BOT said "He is done" "Contact sports is over for Trey Smith". That's close, but he didn't actually say he had a say. So, I retract my opinion. BOT is correct.

I wish Trey the best!
 
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Behr said:
How do know? Wasn't it just a week or so ago we read that he is going to try to play next year? I mean, I would guess he's done too, but I'd never be so arrogant as to confirm it.
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I am not being arrogant just a realistic opinion. He has had a reoccurrence of clots in his lungs. That's serious. He should be or will be in blood thinners. There is no way he can play a physical sport like football while taking those.
 
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cardvolfan said:
It amazes me that this "medical God" has the certain answer.
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No one knows unless they actually know his case. However if he has to go on anticoagulants which is probably really likely IF his reported history is correct then he is done.
 
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DaddyChad said:
No one knows unless they actually know his case. However if he has to go on anticoagulants which is probably really likely IF his reported history is correct then he is done.
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And I would agree as well. Not knowing the facts was my point.
 
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D-rock said:
Coaching could be great or not so great. I had a coach tell me one time that instinct is something a player has or does not have. They have a hard time not understanding why others can't do what they do instinctually. Therefore, don't know how to teach it because they don't know how they do it, they just do.

We have all heard he has a "nose" for the ball. I was a Linebacker and heard that a lot. I was taught to "feel" the play and "flow"... trust my gut, pull the trigger and arrive with bad intentions.
...Agile, hostile, mobile on 3!!!
F!!!! Now I am dying to go run through someone (Terry Tate Style) without getting in trouble. :)
oh well, I guess I will read this memo about TPS Reports.

Indiana, not attacking your post at all. Just saying it could be a coin toss regarding effectiveness.
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Great point. It's what we call unconsciously competent at work. An unconsciously competent person sometimes has a hard time teaching down to the consciously competent or consciously incompetent...Thanks for raising the point my friend!!!
 
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These threads are stupid. Name one professional athlete that plays a contact sport that had recurrent PE/DVT problems that competed again/ is still competing. Instead of making this same thread, do a little research on the subject. Barring some break through in anticoagulant drugs. If I had to bet money hes on Eliquis for life.
 
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jordanthegimp said:
These threads are stupid. Name one professional athlete that plays a contact sport that had recurrent PE/DVT problems that competed again/ is still competing. Instead of making this same thread, do a little research on the subject. Barring some break through in anticoagulant drugs. If I had to bet money hes on Eliquis for life.
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Dear Jordan, Tomas Fleishman and Kimmo Timonen both NHL players on blood thinners as a result of DVT /clotting.
There's two, you're welcome for the research! Try harder next time in medical school.
 
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bag12day said:
Dear Jordan, Tomas Fleishman and Kimmo Timonen both NHL players on blood thinners as a result of DVT /clotting.
There's two, you're welcome for the research! Try harder next time in medical school.
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And any evidence they were actively(key word)taking the drugs I.e eliquis,xeralto while competing? Theres a reason Trey Smith wasn’t cleared for 6 months to play.- that’s the standard for treatment, then you can come off of them to play after testing. I don’t even think he made it 2 months after ending treatment and it happened again
 
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jordanthegimp said:
And any evidence they were actively(key word)taking the drugs I.e eliquis,xeralto while competing? Theres a reason Trey Smith wasn’t cleared for 6 months to play.- that’s the standard for treatment, then you can come off of them to play after testing. I don’t even think he made it 2 months after ending treatment and it happened again
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And it may continue to happen again but you asked for just one I gave you two and now a bonus couple. So do yourself a favor rethink your stupid thread comment until A) you get an MD or B) You aren't so lazy before making blanket statements of which you are obviously mistaken ;). There are drugs that clear in 8 hours or days or months.
Yes in both cases they were playing WHILE on blood thinners...
Tomas "He had suffered from clotting in his leg in 2010, as well. He was told that he might never play again, but managed to remain active by taking blood thinners after practices and games and by wearing a rubberized suit when flying"

Kimmo: "Timonen was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis after a blood clot was found on his leg in 2014. He was expected to retire, but decided to play one more season to go out on his own terms. In order to do so, he had to inject himself with blood thinners. "

Steven Stamkos: came back in Stanley cup finals to play WHILE on blood thinners
"Steven Stamkos is now taking an injectable form of blood-thinning medication that could (AND DID) expedite his return to game action." bold is my addition

Pascal Dupuis: he missed a season then came back several times. "Dupuis, 36, had played 18 games this season while taking blood thinners but experienced several recent medical incidents possibly related to his condition, the team said.
Edit to add I gave all NHL examples because I am much more familiar with Hockey than NFL but Im sure if you did you can find some similar. I would say that the risk of being cut by a skate stick etc are probably greater in hockey than blood injury in football.
 
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butchna said:
On a message board? It’s an opinion. Might as well be out in outer space as far as weight. But it’s going to be discussed.
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I agree despite the evidence I have given that it is possible, each case is unique and fear of medical lawsuits might nudge UT docs in a particular direction. Ultimately trey and his family must make the decision assuming he can be cleared in the same vein that although you clear concussion protocol is it a good idea to risk it.
 
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bag12day said:
And it may continue to happen again but you asked for just one I gave you two and now a bonus couple. So do yourself a favor rethink your stupid thread comment until A) you get an MD or B) You aren't so lazy before making blanket statements of which you are obviously mistaken ;). There are drugs that clear in 8 hours or days or months.
Yes in both cases they were playing WHILE on blood thinners...
Tomas "He had suffered from clotting in his leg in 2010, as well. He was told that he might never play again, but managed to remain active by taking blood thinners after practices and games and by wearing a rubberized suit when flying"

Kimmo: "Timonen was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis after a blood clot was found on his leg in 2014. He was expected to retire, but decided to play one more season to go out on his own terms. In order to do so, he had to inject himself with blood thinners. "

Steven Stamkos: came back in Stanley cup finals to play WHILE on blood thinners
"Steven Stamkos is now taking an injectable form of blood-thinning medication that could (AND DID) expedite his return to game action." bold is my addition

Pascal Dupuis: he missed a season then came back several times. "Dupuis, 36, had played 18 games this season while taking blood thinners but experienced several recent medical incidents possibly related to his condition, the team said.
Edit to add I gave all NHL examples because I am much more familiar with Hockey than NFL but Im sure if you did you can find some similar. I would say that the risk of being cut by a skate stick etc are probably greater in hockey than blood injury in football.
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- aspirin is considered a blood thinner too, I’m talking real drugs and I doubt any hematologists would let a patient inject themselves w/ lovenox at will regardless.
-You can’t even take NSAIDs and be on anticoagulants.


While I applaud your enthusiasm for Tennessee football, I don’t really think you understand the mechanism of the drugs to keep recurring clots from happening and keeping people alive and the impact of being on said drugs has
 
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jordanthegimp said:
- aspirin is considered a blood thinner too, I’m talking real drugs and I doubt any hematologists would let a patient inject themselves w/ lovenox at will regardless.
-You can’t even take NSAIDs and be on anticoagulants.


While I applaud your enthusiasm for Tennessee football, I don’t really think you understand the mechanism of the drugs to keep recurring clots from happening and keeping people alive and the impact of being on said drugs has
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Correct. The huy you are debating with here is overlooking the biggest points. DVTs are different than pulmonary embolisms. Also, Trey has already had a reoccurance in the lungs in a year. There is no way that he isnt taking blood thinners. While hockey is a physical sport, its not the same as football.
 
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bag12day said:
I agree despite the evidence I have given that it is possible, each case is unique and fear of medical lawsuits might nudge UT docs in a particular direction. Ultimately trey and his family must make the decision assuming he can be cleared in the same vein that although you clear concussion protocol is it a good idea to risk it.
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I would love for him to be able to play. But it’s not worth his life. Football isn’t that important.
 
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Vol_Fan4Life said:
Chris Bosh, who played for the Miami Heat, got blood clots in his lungs in 2016 and hasn't played since. So it is pretty serious. IMO, I think he gives it one more go to decide if he can play or retires.
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Bosh wants to play but the NBA won’t clear him because of the risks.
If Trey plays on medication, and he gets hit on the head, he could die on the field, in front of 100K people...
He is done unfortunately but it’s whats best for him
 
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