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[1CHATTVOL]

Oh, she said no such thing. She is frustrated with the things we fans say about her players on social media, and she said they didn't deserve that. She has a right to say that. In no way did she blame her coaching failures on the fans. The fans ARE dissing the players and the fans ARE staying home. Fans who want to help the team can stop the negativity and show up at the games. Message boards won't persuade the AD to make coaching changes - that comes from the fans with money. Dissing the players does not help our team and does not help recruiting. Holly has never complained about what is said about her, just the players.

Could not have said it better. Thanks, VP. Truly.

 

[Volfan2012]

Coaches could certainly coach better and players could be held accountable more than they are right now. No reason for coaches or fans to accept the consistent bad play that continued through the second half of the season. Most were the same type mistakes that were never corrected. That would be turnovers in the upper 20's in almost half of the games in the last part of the season.
I don't remember a lot of player bashing on this site certainly a lot of pointing out their mistakes while playing the game. Nothing personal was ever relayed other than their performance on the court.
Holly was bashed that is true because she has the ability to get under people's skin with her consistent excuses and failures to improve the play of a team as the season progresses. If she wants fans to come back to games put a better team on the floor. Other coaches in the SEC are doing it with a lot less talent than she has on her roster.

 

[madtownvol]

Oh, she said no such thing. She is frustrated with the things we fans say about her players on social media, and she said they didn't deserve that. She has a right to say that. In no way did she blame her coaching failures on the fans. The fans ARE dissing the players and the fans ARE staying home. Fans who want to help the team can stop the negativity and show up at the games. Message boards won't persuade the AD to make coaching changes - that comes from the fans with money. Dissing the players does not help our team and does not help recruiting. Holly has never complained about what is said about her, just the players.

1000%. What I have realized is that this constant haranguing from fans reflects a misplaced belief that such actions led to the firing of just hired Greg Schiano. However, it was not the message board posts that drove the process. Rich donors were upset with how Currie ran the process and the critical opportunity (or failing depending on how you look at it) came from Schiano's guilt by association to the PSU sex abuse scandal. Suddenly, you had state legislators tweeting about how bad this hire made the University look. So, we had the perfect storm - unhappy powerful people who had a clear rationale of protecting UT's reputation.

What we have with the LVs is an entirely different scenario. Fulmer's job hinges on the success of the FB program, not the LVs. I am sure he wants to have his focus on football and not create a disruption by firing Holly and having to open the hornet's nest of a coaching search (and the man versus female candidate debate).

As it stands, the LVs are a stable program, winning 25 games with another strong recruiting class coming in. I do believe that Holly is on a short leash. I don't think she could survive not making it to the sweet 16 next season and the LVs will need to be in the hunt for an SEC title (no disaster losses to the likes of Bama).

While all the fan hostility won't have an impact on the coaching, it sure has made this board toxic and sadly, pitted some jerk-face against players (and their families) and having people trying to discourage recruits. When fans like these, who needs enemies?

 

[cwbytruckers]

Coaches could certainly coach better and players could be held accountable more than they are right now. No reason for coaches or fans to accept the consistent bad play that continued through the second half of the season. Most were the same type mistakes that were never corrected. That would be turnovers in the upper 20's in almost half of the games in the last part of the season.
I don't remember a lot of player bashing on this site certainly a lot of pointing out their mistakes while playing the game. Nothing personal was ever relayed other than their performance on the court.
Holly was bashed that is true because she has the ability to get under people's skin with her consistent excuses and failures to improve the play of a team as the season progresses. If she wants fans to come back to games put a better team on the floor. Other coaches in the SEC are doing it with a lot less talent than she has on her roster.

That last line is what gets me. How some fans except that is baffling.

 

[xanamanax]

Coaches could certainly coach better and players could be held accountable more than they are right now. No reason for coaches or fans to accept the consistent bad play that continued through the second half of the season. Most were the same type mistakes that were never corrected. That would be turnovers in the upper 20's in almost half of the games in the last part of the season.
I don't remember a lot of player bashing on this site certainly a lot of pointing out their mistakes while playing the game. Nothing personal was ever relayed other than their performance on the court.
Holly was bashed that is true because she has the ability to get under people's skin with her consistent excuses and failures to improve the play of a team as the season progresses. If she wants fans to come back to games put a better team on the floor. Other coaches in the SEC are doing it with a lot less talent than she has on her roster.

In our last 18 games (starting with our loss to A&M), we had 3 games of more than 20 turnovers. THREE. Against Notre Dame (18th game - 28), Georgia (25th game - 27), and Auburn (30th game - 24). So actually, we only had TWO games in the upper 20s in our last 16 but you said it was "almost half of the games in the last part of the season." Hmm...

 

[gule]

10 - 8 in the last 18 should get you fired!

 

[1CHATTVOL]

10 - 8 in the last 18 should get you fired!

Really?! With a high SOS and an undefeated start? 25-8? That's crazy talk.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

In our last 18 games (starting with our loss to A&M), we had 3 games of more than 20 turnovers. THREE. Against Notre Dame (18th game - 28), Georgia (25th game - 27), and Auburn (30th game - 24). So actually, we only had TWO games in the upper 20s in our last 16 but you said it was "almost half of the games in the last part of the season." Hmm...

Please don't go slowing down the hate train with the truth. Lol. Thank you, X.

 

[ATLVolFan06]

I thought we overachieved by the standards some of yall set at the beginning of the year. I remember some of yall saying double digit losses.

 

[Amb3096]

I thought we overachieved by the standards some of yall set at the beginning of the year. I remember some of yall saying double digit losses.

Standards set because Holly is a terrible coach, not because the team was not talented. Russell and Nared alone should have had this team contending for the SEC crown, not even considering 3 freshmen that were consensus top ten HS players. The fact that they "only" lost 8 games (no doubt helped by two wins over an A'ja-less SC team) instead of 10+ isn't exactly a testimony to good coaching by Holly. They had no business losing half those games and struggling to put away the likes of Vandy, Arkansas and others all season.

 

[glv98]

10 - 8 in the last 18 should get you fired!

Would have most likely been 10-10 if Wilson had played the two SC reg season games. If not fire-able should at least bring about a serious conversation regarding progress and development of young talent.

Really?! With a high SOS and an undefeated start? 25-8? That's crazy talk.

This is an example of statistics needing context to present the accurate picture. Yep Florida and Auburn would be delighted with 25-8 and a second round out. But we aren't them, at least not yet.

Its not so much the number of losses but how, who, and why we lost. Yes in some cases the second half competition was tougher. But we most often beat ourselves with unforced turnovers. lack of ability to score. and lack of ability to regroup and stop a bad trend.

IMO our decline, and Holly's big deficit, is in the intangibles and coaching the mental aspects, not the physical talent. (Our woefully outdated offense not withstanding of course.) This year the headcase train started rolling downhill the second half at ND and Holly was never able to stop it. And this isn't new, we've seen this all six years under CHW. Lack of mental toughness. This is real area where we miss Pat IMO, not the x and o stuff.

Please don't go slowing down the hate train with the truth. Lol. Thank you, X.

Continuing the train analogy, there's a bunch of comfy berths between the locomotive of Holly Hate and the caboose full of Holly Water Carriers. Most of us are riding there, in the cars of Caring Concern.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

Standards set because Holly is a terrible coach, not because the team was not talented. Russell and Nared alone should have had this team contending for the SEC crown, not even considering 3 freshmen that were consensus top ten HS players. The fact that they "only" lost 8 games (no doubt helped by two wins over an A'ja-less SC team) instead of 10+ isn't exactly a testimony to good coaching by Holly. They had no business losing half those games and struggling to put away the likes of Vandy, Arkansas and others all season.

Lay all that on Holly because she's the coach? Ok. You watched the games, Amb. Did you see gritty, All-SEC performances in those losses and struggles? Did anyone step up and have a big game? Make shots?

 

[OrangenSC]

Would have most likely been 10-10 if Wilson had played the two SC reg season games. If not fire-able should at least bring about a serious conversation regarding progress and development of young talent.


This is an example of statistics needing context to present the accurate picture. Yep Florida and Auburn would be delighted with 25-8 and a second round out. But we aren't them, at least not yet.

Its not so much the number of losses but how, who, and why we lost. Yes in some cases the second half competition was tougher. But we most often beat ourselves with unforced turnovers. lack of ability to score. and lack of ability to regroup and stop a bad trend.

IMO our decline, and Holly's big deficit, is in the intangibles and coaching the mental aspects, not the physical talent. (Our woefully outdated offense not withstanding of course.) This year the headcase train started rolling downhill the second half at ND and Holly was never able to stop it. And this isn't new, we've seen this all six years under CHW. Lack of mental toughness. This is real area where we miss Pat IMO, not the x and o stuff.


Continuing the train analogy, there's a bunch of comfy berths between the locomotive of Holly Hate and the caboose full of Holly Water Carriers. Most of us are riding there, in the cars of Caring Concern.

True. But if you want to play the injury card...our record would have been one heck of a lot better the past few years were it not for injuries to DD, MR, and others.

So using your logic we give Holly a pass because we have had so many injuries.

 

[LA Vol]

All of the LV injuries for the past six years don't match the injuries ND played with this season-- and still managed to win a national championship.

Oregon managed to get to the E8 last year playing six FR. Six. They beat the #2 and #3 seeds before facing #1 seed UConn.

Excuses don't fix the problem. LV teams are loaded with top talent that regularly loses to less talented teams year after year after year. Other teams overcome what the LVs cannot and compete at a level the LVs do not. Nobody on this team or staff needs a pass. What they need is a mirror. Change starts there.

 

[gule]

Lay all that on Holly because she's the coach? Ok. You watched the games, Amb. Did you see gritty, All-SEC performances in those losses and struggles? Did anyone step up and have a big game? Make shots?

You mean besides the girls from Bama, LSU, Missouri, etc?

 

[glv98]

True. But if you want to play the injury card...our record would have been one heck of a lot better the past few years were it not for injuries to DD, MR, and others.

So using your logic we give Holly a pass because we have had so many injuries.

No thanks don't want to play the injury card. I don't remember injuries being a major factor recently. The usual bumps bruises and strains but nothing major since Izzy H.

Was DD injured? I don't remember, but then I've tried to put that whole painful period behind me. Seems like she missed a game or so and we actually played better.

I remember MR maybe redshirting due to feet but not much after that?

If Jamie had seriously injured her hip in the SEC tourney it might have hurt our chances but she didn't and we crapped out early anyway so not sure that should count.

Lay all that on Holly because she's the coach? Ok. You watched the games, Amb. Did you see gritty, All-SEC performances in those losses and struggles? Did anyone step up and have a big game? Make shots?

Amount of coach responsibility varies according to circumstance. Six seasons, same problems, different players, chronic underperformance, yes I'm laying most on the head coach. I don't think that's unfair.

 

[Amb3096]

Lay all that on Holly because she's the coach? Ok. You watched the games, Amb. Did you see gritty, All-SEC performances in those losses and struggles? Did anyone step up and have a big game? Make shots?

I saw the same thing I always see from Tennessee. They play hard, but not smart. A lot of times, they win solely because they are bigger and more athletic, but not necessarily because the played well. No one will accuse Andraya Carter of not playing hard 100% of the time, but yet she'll still intentionally foul a player with 1 sec on the clock and Tennessee ahead by one.

No, the problem I see is systemic because they aren't one-offs. It's the norm for Tennessee. And that falls on coaching for not addressing bad habits.

 

[OrangenSC]

All of the LV injuries for the past six years don't match the injuries ND played with this season-- and still managed to win a national championship.

Oregon managed to get to the E8 last year playing six FR. Six. They beat the #2 and #3 seeds before facing #1 seed UConn.

Excuses don't fix the problem. LV teams are loaded with top talent that regularly loses to less talented teams year after year after year. Other teams overcome what the LVs cannot and compete at a level the LVs do not. Nobody on this team or staff needs a pass. What they need is a mirror. Change starts there.

I can't disagree with this.

If you're responding to my post, I was just addressing the statement that we would've had 2 more losses if usce had AW. I didn't disagree with that either. But the injury argument goes both ways, relevant or not.

 

[Amb3096]

The season that Izzy went down, I think they only lost twice to SC post injury...and they weren't winning either of those games with Wilson, Mitchell and Coates around. Frankly, I'm not convinced that they beat Maryland even with Izzy. Maryland had better post players and much better guards.

Aside from Izzy, anyone saying that Tennessee lost because of no Jasmine Jones, Andraya Carter or Jordan Reynolds is probably just kidding themselves. The latter two cases are basically addition by subtraction, and Jones was never a game changer.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I saw the same thing I always see from Tennessee. They play hard, but not smart. A lot of times, they win solely because they are bigger and more athletic, but not necessarily because the played well. No one will accuse Andraya Carter of not playing hard 100% of the time, but yet she'll still intentionally foul a player with 1 sec on the clock and Tennessee ahead by one.

No, the problem I see is systemic because they aren't one-offs. It's the norm for Tennessee. And that falls on coaching for not addressing bad habits.

I hate it when you're right.
The athlete in them, was there. On the floor. but the "Here we go again" influence was stronger than the "Oh No we won't!" factor.

...Just need to find that factor

 

[PRG]

Texas A&M transfer , Anriel Howard has five schools of interest! Looks like Dawn Staley is at it again (transfer U) plus two of the five were in the final four!!! I don’t think we made the cut ! 😁

 

[SCspur]

Texas A&M transfer , Anriel Howard has five schools of interest! Looks like Dawn Staley is at it again (transfer U) plus two of the five were in the final four!!! I don’t think we made the cut ! 😁

Actually Holly should've been the the first to call Anriel. Losing Russell and Nared will have big effects and Anriel is the type of player that could have eased the loss of those two, not by just being a fantastic rebounder but also a leader on and off the court.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Actually Holly should've been the the first to call Anriel. Losing Russell and Nared will have big effects and Anriel is the type of player that could have eased the loss of those two, not by just being a fantastic rebounder but also a leader on and off the court.

You better hope Usc-JR gets her because ya'll are going to suffer greatly without Wilson.

Ya'll just might become known as TRANSFER UNIVERSITY.

 

[Ladyvolfan4ever]

Texas A&M transfer , Anriel Howard has five schools of interest! Looks like Dawn Staley is at it again (transfer U) plus two of the five were in the final four!!! I don’t think we made the cut ! 😁

'Magin that. My money says she goes to SC

 

[1CHATTVOL]

You mean besides the girls from Bama, LSU, Missouri, etc?

Nice gule-ish attempt at wise guy. But your answer further illustrates my point. So, thanks man.